• Ireland Becomes Slightly Less Backwards
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[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23277590[/URL] [QUOTE][B]Lawmakers in the Republic of Ireland have voted to legalise abortion under certain conditions for the first time, following a marathon debate.[/B] In a 127-31 vote in the Dail, they backed allowing a termination when doctors deems that a woman is at risk of taking her own life. The debate revealed deep splits in the predominantly Catholic country. Opponents say the bill - which still needs the upper house's approval - could lead to more widespread abortion. Others argue the bill is too limited as it does not allow for terminations in cases of rape or incest, or when there is a foetal abnormality. Nor does it allow for termination when the foetus cannot survive outside the womb. Anti-abortion campaigners say that the bill will allow the intentional killing of the unborn for the first time in the Republic of Ireland. For them, it is not just a religious but a human rights issue as they believe that in any pregnancy the mother and foetus have equal rights to life.[/QUOTE] I thought America was bad, but you guys had 31 people vote against the most restricted form of abortion on the planet.
What's the verdict on gay marriage going through at the moment though
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41419452]What's the verdict on gay marriage going through at the moment though[/QUOTE] gay marriage passing in Ireland? not a chance northern ireland maybe, but most definitely not the republic
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41419452]What's the verdict on gay marriage going through at the moment though[/QUOTE] There is absolutely no chance. Last year on the Late Late Show there was an atheist couple who were advocating more secular schools (90% of schools in Ireland are religiously run) and the entire audience viewed it as an attack on religion, with many notable quotes like "If they don't want to go to a religious school they should go to a different country." There are still huge amounts of people who feel that not having the Church run over everything is somehow an attack on religion. Gay marriage is a long way away.
Hearing about the gay marriage stuff is sad but at least they're progressing in some areas
[QUOTE=JanusVestaALT;41422884]There is absolutely no chance. Last year on the Late Late Show there was an atheist couple who were advocating more secular schools (90% of schools in Ireland are religiously run) and the entire audience viewed it as an attack on religion, with many notable quotes like "If they don't want to go to a religious school they should go to a different country." There are still huge amounts of people who feel that not having the Church run over everything is somehow an attack on religion. Gay marriage is a long way away.[/QUOTE] Holy shit ireland, I had no idea it was so backwards.
Next to Cyprus, I'm pretty sure Ireland is the most religious country in Europe.
[QUOTE=The mouse;41423944]Next to Cyprus, I'm pretty sure Ireland is the most religious country in Europe.[/QUOTE] I'm not so sure. The conflict there has been so long and brutal I'm not sure religion still comes into it anymore. That's just the reason given.
[QUOTE=Memobot;41423967]I'm not so sure. The conflict there has been so long and brutal I'm not sure religion still comes into it anymore. [B]That's just the reason given.[/B][/QUOTE] Good, good, realize that the reason given for something (especially things like this) is often not the primary, or even a major, component of the actual reasoning behind it. Now, let yourself run a few thought simulations of a few models of parts of our world......a few more....aaaand there it is, I need a drink.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Public_opinion]The poll numbers I've seen[/url] on gay marriage in Ireland are very encouraging, and there's going to be a referendum on it next year
The youth of Ireland today are getting less and less religious. Just even from talking to people in town and the like I know a large majority doesn't go to church and quite a few atheists. I think it's just the old timers, and when they die off Ireland might be slightly less backwards.
[QUOTE=TrulliLulli;41425825]I think it's just the old timers, and when they die off Ireland might be slightly less backwards.[/QUOTE] That is a fair comment for most of the world.
We'll just find whole new ways to be backwards. Why wouldn't we?
"What? They have their own cultural values and views that differ from my own? How backwards!"
[QUOTE=Canesfan;41426864]"What? They have their own cultural values and views that differ from my own? How backwards!"[/QUOTE] Are you saying making abortions illegal and lack of gay rights are not backwards?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41426919]Are you saying making abortions illegal and lack of gay rights are not backwards?[/QUOTE] I'm saying the term "backwards" is stupid and egotistical, not that I agree with any of their views.
[QUOTE=Canesfan;41426864]"What? They have their own cultural values and views that differ from my own? How backwards!"[/QUOTE] No, it's more like "The old, rich, religious men in charge of the country have their own cultural values and views that differ from the rest of the nation? How backwards." Please don't generalise the population with the eijiits we've got running the country. Ireland's ridiculously backwards.
[QUOTE=Canesfan;41426965]I'm saying the term "backwards" is stupid and egotistical, not that I agree with any of their views.[/QUOTE] I think he used it more as the opposite of progressive, which would be correct
My country's tax system is less progressive now than it was fifty years ago. Progress is....weird and unpredictable.
[QUOTE=Canesfan;41426965]I'm saying the term "backwards" is stupid and egotistical, not that I agree with any of their views.[/QUOTE] its backwards.
[QUOTE=smurfy;41425363][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Public_opinion]The poll numbers I've seen[/url] on gay marriage in Ireland are very encouraging, and there's going to be a referendum on it next year[/QUOTE] Sure Dublin just had a pride week with rainbow flags lining the quays.
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