Clinton blames Russia, FBI chief for 2016 election loss - Polidicks

[QUOTE]After spending the past six months in relative hibernation, Clinton made a rare public appearance Tuesday and ruminated extensively for the first time on her loss. She said she has been busy writing a memoir, a process she described as a “cathartic” yet “excruciating” and “painful.” While Clinton said she takes “absolute personal responsibility” for losing to Trump, [B]she did not assign any blame to her strategy or staff. Nor did she point to her own weaknesses as a candidate or the struggles by her and her team to understand the angry mood of key parts of the electorate.[/B] Instead, Clinton said a range of external forces were responsible for her surprise defeat. [B]She said she was a victim of misogyny and unfair treatment by the news media.[/B] And she said she was confident that she was on track to winning the election until two things reversed her momentum: the release of campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails, which were allegedly stolen by Russian hackers, and Comey’s Oct. 28 letter to Congress that he had reopened the bureau’s investigation into her use of a private email server. [/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-blames-russian-hackers-and-comey-for-2016-election-loss/2017/05/02/e62fef72-2f60-11e7-8674-437ddb6e813e_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_clinton-250pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory"] Wapo[/URL] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Editorialized title" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

Also, forget her remaining fantastics too from blaming everyone who voting third parties even they want spoiled Trump for get her elected to literal "sexist" voters for care about other issues besides social issues. But still very glad she not running for 2020 election or any election as politician.

It's almost like saying 4 more years of Obummer was going to alienate an already angry populace, and blaming your defeat on misogyny instead of realizing you did nothing to appeal to the voters and only blamed Trump throughout your campaign, is the height of hubris.

If she tries to run in 2020 I'm throwing shit at her if she comes to california. Not actual shit, that's unsanitary and probably doesn't fly well

Y'know what, I'm totally willing to grant Clinton the line about unfair treatment by the media. Things like the way the news went after something like the emails was absolutely [I]ludicrous[/I]. I'll even budge a little on misogyny playing a role, but only a small one that maybe lost a handful of votes from bass ackwards individuals who haven't quite got out of the nineteenth century just yet But the major fault absolutely was with Clinton's campaign strategy and herself and any attempt to dodge that responsibility is self-delusional at best and a step beyond arrogant at worst I keep repeating it every time it comes up, and I don't plan to stop any time soon: The Clinton campaign's methods were actively divisive and alienating and spent more time fellating special interests and shitting on the opposition than actually campaigning and trying to be a campaign run by a candidate people would actually want to vote for

[QUOTE=Sitkero;52177673]Y'know what, I'm totally willing to grant Clinton the line about unfair treatment by the media. Things like the way the news went after something like the emails was absolutely [I]ludicrous[/I].[/QUOTE] Besides Fox, who in the MSM really laid it on her over her emails? And how's it "unfair treatment" when a major news network was feeding her debate questions?

Oh yeah, also worth repeating ad nauseum is that even with an awful fucking campaign and some pretty mediocre Democratic voter turnout she still won the popular vote by three million [editline]Hyenas[/editline] Why do I even try to merge Just imagine what the arrogant fuckwits could have accomplished if they had put forth even a tiny fraction of effort into actually campaigning that they did into things like shitting on potential voters and some sixteen million registered Democrats

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52177690]Besides Fox, who in the MSM really laid it on her over her emails? And how's it "unfair treatment" when a major news network was feeding her debate questions?[/QUOTE] How is it "unfair treatment" when she was a critical component of everything mentioned. It's not like she has the clean hands to say she is innocent. She just got caught through unconventional means. [editline]2nd May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sitkero;52177692]Oh yeah, also worth repeating ad nauseum is that even with an awful fucking campaign and some pretty mediocre Democratic voter turnout she still won the popular vote by three million[/QUOTE] She was against Trump, I am sure that helped more than repeating the generic DNC monologue.

I mean, I get why she's not saying "lol my bad lads", because that's not exactly going to instill confidence in the Democrats when they have a tough midterm to fight.

Lmao she had CNN in her pocket the entire fucking way and ends up blaming them for her loss.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;52177701]I mean, I get why she's not saying "lol my bad lads", because that's not exactly going to instill confidence in the Democrats when they have a tough midterm to fight.[/QUOTE] I think it'd inspire more confidence than constantly repeating this line about misogyny and dodging every tiny little bit of potential responsibility for her own faults

An additional note: I wonder why everyone keeps blaming Comey. He sent a [B]private[/B] letter to the Senate to inform them about the investigation, like he said he would. It was Chaffetz that ran to the media with the letter yet no one ever brings that up when taking about the situation. Instead Comey gets thrown under the bus by the right for not pursuing charges and thrown under the bus by the left for the letter.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;52177701]I mean, I get why she's not saying "lol my bad lads", because that's not exactly going to instill confidence in the Democrats when they have a tough midterm to fight.[/QUOTE] Everyone with a brain already knows she's the one at fault. By association, they should also be aware of the bad apples in the DNC that collaborated with her on her shady dealings. Finally owning up to it, and trying to make amends vs keeping the blinders on while everyone else can see, would be doing a great benefit to the DNC and everyone that was alienated.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;52177673]Y'know what, I'm totally willing to grant Clinton the line about unfair treatment by the media. Things like the way the news went after something like the emails was absolutely [I]ludicrous[/I]. I'll even budge a little on misogyny playing a role, but only a small one that maybe lost a handful of votes from bass ackwards individuals who haven't quite got out of the nineteenth century just yet But the major fault absolutely was with Clinton's campaign strategy and herself and any attempt to dodge that responsibility is self-delusional at best and a step beyond arrogant at worst I keep repeating it every time it comes up, and I don't plan to stop any time soon: The Clinton campaign's methods were actively divisive and alienating and spent more time fellating special interests and shitting on the opposition than actually campaigning and trying to be a campaign run by a candidate people would actually want to vote for[/QUOTE] saying "clinton" and "unfair treatment by the media" in the same sentence without having the words "in no way received" between them is straight up dishonesty

[QUOTE=Mitchd247;52177723]saying "clinton" and "unfair treatment by the media" in the same sentence without having the words "in no way received" between them is straight up dishonesty[/QUOTE] Nah man she was absolutely treated unfairly by the media. She [I]totally[/I] lost because they didn't shill hard enough for her. /s

It's her own fault. The witch hunt on the email shit may have been massively overblown, but her campaign strategy was dogshit. She completely phoned in that election based on the assumption that America couldn't [I]possibly[/I] be [B]so[/B] fuckin' stupid as to [u]actually[/u] vote for Trump. As a result, she failed to convince anybody of her authenticity. Despite the fact that Trump is every bit the corrupt pawn that everybody accused her of being, at least he was actually talking about how he was going to help America. While the rhetoric about his plans was absurd, ill defined, and largely unconstitutional, he at least actually took the time to [I]talk[/I] about them on the campaign trail. While he may have rallied a base of ugly-minded degenerates behind him, Clinton failed to rally anybody behind her. He only appeal was that she [I]wasn't[/I] Trump. No sympathy for Clinton. She lost to a narcissistic daddy's boy who never worked a day in his life, a spray-tanned clown who couldn't open his mouth without saying something shockingly stupid, a textbook misogynist, a self-admitted rapist, and an old-fashioned racist. The most frustrating thing of all is that this "strategy" of simply [I]not being Donald Trump[/I] was [I]almost[/I] enough. After all, she crushed him in the popular vote. If she had [B]just[/B] spent some fucking time on the campaign trail telling people why they [I]should[/I] vote for her, instead of why they [I]shouldn't[/I] vote for Trump, she likely would have had a landslide victory. So, to reiterate: you can kindly get lost Hillary. You have already shattered what credibility you may have once had, and this childish finger pointing is only reaffirming that. You lost because you [I]sucked[/I], not because America hates women.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52177766] So, to reiterate: you can kindly get lost Hillary. You have already shattered what credibility you may have once had, and this childish finger pointing is only reaffirming that. You lost because you [I]sucked[/I], not because America hates women.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]And Clinton said she intends to speak out in the public arena. “I’m back to being an activist citizen — and part of the resistance,” she said.[/QUOTE] She aint goin anywhere

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52177775]She aint goin anywhere[/QUOTE] She can do whatever she wants on her own time. If she wants to march and protest as a private citizen, fine. However, she should never again for the rest of her life dare to step foot in a political campaign as an electoral candidate. She should be ashamed and humiliated for forcing our country to sit under the "leadership" of that pathetic little man in the oval office. If she had treated that like a real election for the most powerful office in the world, instead of a humorous sideshow to gawk at the fool she was running against, we would have a competent leader in the oval office right now.

Update: Someone Kinda leaked their PAC Autopsy for democrats to WAPO, It's bad, Especially the Obama=>Trump Voters, [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/01/why-did-trump-win-new-research-by-democrats-offers-a-worrisome-answer/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.b5e9ed4fcfb3"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/01/why-did-trump-win-new-research-by-democrats-offers-a-worrisome-answer/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.b5e9ed4fcfb3[/URL] Bernie might have had a chance, But Clinton's policies were viewed as Benefiting the Rich only. [QUOTE]Top Democratic pollsters have conducted private focus groups and polling in an effort to answer that question, and they shared the results with me. One finding from the polling stands out: A shockingly large percentage of these Obama-Trump voters said Democrats’ economic policies will favor the wealthy — twice the percentage that said the same about Trump. I was also permitted to view video of some focus group activity, which showed Obama-Trump voters offering sharp criticism of Democrats on the economy.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][B]A sizable chunk of Obama-Trump voters — 30 percent — said their vote for Trump was more a vote against Clinton than a vote for Trump. Remember, these voters backed Obama four years earlier.[/B][/QUOTE]

"And I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those [B][I]DAMNED[/I][/B] [B][I]NAZI[/I][/B] [B][I]FROGS.[/I][/B]"

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52177817]Update: Someone Kinda leaked their PAC Autopsy for democrats to WAPO, It's bad, Especially the Obama=>Trump Voters.[/QUOTE] I have to wonder if people like these even believe anything, or if they give the election the same attention they would a TV game-show. I cannot fathom voting against every one of my own beliefs because "i hate that bitch".

I'll give her this much. In hindsight, yes, there were a lot of circumstances that hurt her campaign, such as the numerous scandals and leaked emails. Largely, however, it's down to her as a person. She is unlikable, arrogant, and did fuckall to actually try and convince the then yet undecided voters to actually vote for her. Most of her campaign was literally just run on "I'm a woman" and "I'm not Trump". That is not how you're going to win a campaign, not even by a long shot.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52177627]While Clinton said she takes “absolute personal responsibility” for losing to Trump,[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Hillary Clinton blames everyone but herself for election defeat[/QUOTE] :thinking:

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52177651]It's almost like saying 4 more years of Obummer was going to alienate an already angry populace, and blaming your defeat on misogyny instead of realizing you did nothing to appeal to the voters and only blamed Trump throughout your campaign, is the height of hubris.[/QUOTE] She did win the popular vote by a gigantic margin. The majority of voters preferred Clinton. Trump only won because of our horribly broken system.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52178013]:thinking:[/QUOTE] Curious why you snipped the part that doesn't help you fish for zingers :thinking:

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52178120]Curious why you snipped the part that doesn't help you fish for zingers :thinking:[/QUOTE] I read the rest of it, but my point was that these two statements directly contradict each other. How can she at once claim full responsibility for the loss while also not claiming any responsibility at all? I don't think the things she pointed to as being parts of her loss were insignificant either. I [I]mostly[/I] think it was because she failed to mobilize her voter base and wasn't a very charismatic or enthusiastic candidate, but there were definitely aspects of a significant character assassination directed at her. You should really just copy-paste the title of the article next time. It really is much more descriptive and true to the contents :smile:

They don't contradict each other. She takes responsibility for being the candidate that lost but is in total denial as to why it happened and blames everyone else for it.

re·spon·si·bil·i·ty /rəˌspänsəˈbilədē/ noun the state or fact of being accountable or to blame for something. "the group has claimed responsibility for a string of murders" Seems to me she's admitting that she's to blame for her results. Technically, to a certain degree it could be up for interpretation based on the various definitions of "responsibility", but why would she "take absolute personal responsibility" for an obvious given like being the one who lost? That's pretty self-evident and doesn't really require any conceding on Clinton's part.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52178191]Seems to me she's admitting that she's to blame for her results. [/QUOTE] she did not assign any blame to her strategy or staff. Nor did she point to her own weaknesses as a candidate or the struggles by her and her team to understand the angry mood of key parts of the electorate. doesn't seem that way champ. If she were to admit that she's to blame this article would be about her realizing that ignoring the Rust belt and running a campaign on shit flinging wasn't gonna take her down the path of victory. Instead its about waa waa news media waa waa misogyny waa waa Comey waa waa Russia.

I mean Jesus Christ dude, Clinton says, verbatim, "I take absolute personal responsibility... I am very aware of the challenges, the problems, the shortfalls that we had... It wasn't a perfect campaign". Where do you get out of this that she is completely abstaining from claiming any responsibility for her loss? Just because she names other potential factors does not mean that she cannot admit her shortcomings. [QUOTE=-nesto-;52178205] Instead its about waa waa news media waa waa misogyny waa waa Comey waa waa Russia.[/QUOTE] You say this as if these weren't very real concerns during the election cycle.