Fat-shaming may curb obesity

[Lamar]

[quote] a prominent bioethicist is proposing a new push for what he says is an “edgier strategy” to promote weight loss: ginning up social stigma.
Daniel Callahan, a senior research scholar and president emeritus of The Hastings Center, put out a new paper this week calling for a renewed emphasis on social pressure against heavy people -- what some may call fat-shaming[/quote]
[url]http://todayhealth.today.com/_news/2013/01/24/16664866-fat-shaming-may-curb-obesity-bioethicist-says?lite[/url]

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[DaysBefore]

At the expense of self-esteem.

[Zeke129]

Just like how social stigma against mental illness has fixed mental illness right up eh

[Riller]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39346008]Just like how social stigma against mental illness has fixed mental illness right up eh[/QUOTE]

Somewhat different, I'd say. You know. Because mental illness isn't caused by shoddy lifestyle.

[Paul-Simon]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39346008]Just like how social stigma against mental illness has fixed mental illness right up eh[/QUOTE]

Not exactly the same though, at least in most cases.

[Riller]

[QUOTE=The golden;39346022]In other news, self-harm and suicide through the ceiling.[/QUOTE]

Probably. Yeah.

[Jawalt]

[QUOTE=Riller;39346023]Somewhat different, I'd say. You know. Because mental illness isn't caused by shoddy lifestyle.[/QUOTE]

As a chubby guy with an anxiety disorder, I will tell you that mental illness and a shoddy lifestyle like to hold hands.

[Zeke129]

[QUOTE=Riller;39346023]Somewhat different, I'd say. You know. Because mental illness isn't caused by shoddy lifestyle.[/QUOTE]

Nobody actively chooses to be fat any more than people actively choose mental illness.

Both can be at least partially prevented with proactive preventative measures but not doing that isn't a direct choice

[Daniel Smith]

This is racist, calorically challenged people should not be discriminated against

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Riller;39346023]Somewhat different, I'd say. You know. Because mental illness isn't caused by shoddy lifestyle.[/QUOTE]

no one picks to weigh 150+ kg

[Dr. Fishtastic]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39346008]Just like how social stigma against mental illness has fixed mental illness right up eh[/QUOTE]

lol you're only saying because you're fat zeke

[Zeke129]

[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;39346136]lol you're only saying because you're fat zeke[/QUOTE]

In the last three years I've lost nearly 100 pounds

have a mental illness too so maybe there's a chance I know things about things idk

[Pierrewithahat]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39346130]no one picks to weigh 150+ kg[/QUOTE]

Yes, but they [i]do[/i] have the choice to stop shovelling food down their gullet.

[Bilsta1000]

I had an idea that included scales and laser rangers being put at the counters of mcdonalds.
for every unit that your BMI is over 25 the price of your meal raises accordingly.

Someone whose mildly overweight pays maybe 25% more for their meal whilst someone who is extremely obese would end up paying like 50% more.

Also works if you go the other way to anorexics, they pay half price to get some meat on them.

[trotskygrad]

"bioethicist"

how is this ethical?

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39346188]Yes, but they [i]do[/i] have the choice to stop shovelling food down their gullet.[/QUOTE]

it takes a fair amount of displicine to combat a eating disorder, whether it's excessive eating or eating habits brought on by anorexia, you don't just get over it

[Pierrewithahat]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39346239]it takes a fair amount of displicine to combat a eating disorder, whether it's excessive eating or eating habits brought on by anorexia, you don't just get over it[/QUOTE]

Fuck off, don't even try and tell me that every fat person has binge eating disorder, it's not even close to being true.

[Justjake274]

Fat-shaming and fat-encouraging are both stupid.

Show the benefits of being skinny. Negativity is just gonna make the sales of ice cream tubs go up.

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39346259]Fuck off, [B]don't even try and tell me that every fat person has binge eating disorder[/B], it's not even close to being true.[/QUOTE]

no one is saying this

i hope you're at least semi-literate about various links between certain social conditions and eating too, lack of stimulation or self-apathy or self-hate is a probable cause for eating junk and not taking care of yourself

[Pierrewithahat]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39346300]no one is saying this

i hope you're at least semi-literate about various links between certain social conditions and eating too[/QUOTE]

You can make good home made meals for pennies dude, so the whole unhealthy eating thing isn't the problem either, at least not where I live.

Can we all stop making excuses, yeah I get that some people are just in a really tight spot and can't afford decent food, but the problem with that is that push ups and crunches cost nothing.

[Zeke129]

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/health/child-eating-disorders/index.html]Childhood (<12 years old) eating disorders have increased 119% since 1999[/url]. Psychologists are seeing kids in grade 3 and 4 obsessively worrying about being fat.

Fuck anyone who thinks fat-shaming does anything good. Making people suffer because you don't like how they look is grade-A asshattery

[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39346325]You can make good home made meals for pennies dude, so the whole unhealthy eating thing isn't the problem either, at least not where I live.

Can we all stop making excuses, yeah I get that some people are just in a really tight spot and can't afford decent food, but the problem with that is that push ups and crunches cost nothing.[/QUOTE]

Your anecdotes don't trump decades of sociological study

[paramud]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39346130]no one picks to weigh 150+ kg[/QUOTE]

Stop buying into the fat agenda, fat people choose to be fat.

It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and ten pies.

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39346325]You can make good home made meals for pennies dude, so the whole unhealthy eating thing isn't the problem either, at least not where I live.

Can we all stop making excuses, yeah I get that some people are just in a really tight spot and can't afford decent food, but the problem with that is that push ups and crunches cost nothing.[/QUOTE]

this is cute and all, but maybe you should go over to your local public college or something and use a resource like the library there to dig up some psychological and sociological articles about this issue

[Zeke129]

I decided to look up Daniel Callahan - he has degrees in English and Philosophy

Ethics are one thing, psychology is another. And it's not very ethical to advocate something you don't have formal training in

[RobbL]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39346069]Nobody actively chooses to be fat any more than people actively choose mental illness.

Both can be at least partially prevented with proactive preventative measures but not doing that isn't a direct choice[/QUOTE]

Mental illness is out of the individual's control, being overweight generally isn't. People can be persuaded to eat healthier and exercise, but you can't take similar steps to guard against mental illness

[Pierrewithahat]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39346404][url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/health/child-eating-disorders/index.html]Childhood (<12 years old) eating disorders have increased 119% since 1999[/url]. Psychologists are seeing kids in grade 3 and 4 obsessively worrying about being fat.

Fuck anyone who thinks fat-shaming does anything good. Making people suffer because you don't like how they look is grade-A asshattery

[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]

Your anecdotes don't trump decades of sociological study[/QUOTE]

[url]http://money.aol.co.uk/2013/01/22/fat-crash-victims-80-more-likely-to-die/[/url]

The fatter you are the less likely it is that you'll survive a car crash, and just in case you all deride as AOL news, [url]http://emj.bmj.com/content/early/2013/01/16/emermed-2012-201859.short?g=w_emj_ahead_tab[/url]

Don't forget the fact that being overweight can make you more likely to develop diabetes, as well as heart disease and stroke, although those are caused by high levels of cholesterol which isn't necessarily caused by being overweight but from poor diet, although they frequently happen together anyway.

[Ownederd]

[QUOTE=Paramud;39346441]Stop buying into the fat agenda, fat people choose to be fat.

It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and ten pies.[/QUOTE]

i really hope this comment is ironic

[RobbL]

But yeah, I can see fat shaming causing problems at the other end of the scale (no pun intended) with anorexia and things like that, not to mention people who genuinely have underlying problems that cause them to be overweight

[Riller]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;39346130]no one picks to weigh 150+ kg[/QUOTE]

Well, obviously not. I didn't say that fat people just wake up one morning and go "I know what I'll do today! I'll eat an entire McDonalds and become a drain on society!". However, there's nothing essentially wrong with fat people, from a medical standpoint. There's nothing preventing them from not being fat. They might not make the choise that they want to be fat, but they often don't make the choise that they better do something about it before it's too late and they're morbidly obese and basically can't do anything about it any more.

[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]

People don't choose to be fat. They do, however, not choose to avoid it, either.

[skoinks]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39346069]Nobody actively chooses to be fat any more than people actively choose mental illness.

Both can be at least partially prevented with proactive preventative measures but not doing that isn't a direct choice[/QUOTE]

Uh, not that I agree with the article, but you can't exactly lose a mental illness the same way you can lose fat.