North Korea demands apology, reparations from Japan over colonization - Polidicks

[QUOTE] (CNN) -- North Korea is demanding reparations from Japan for colonizing the Korean peninsula for more than three decades in the early 1900s, after Tokyo once again apologized to South Korea earlier this month. "The Japanese imperialists enforced the harshest colonial rule in history over Korea, bringing unspeakably horrible misfortune and sufferings and disasters to the Korean nation," said a spokesman for the Central Committee of the Democratic Front for the Reunification of Korea, according to the the state-run Korean Central News Agency. "Japan should make a sincere apology and make full reparation to the Korean nation for its aggression and crimes against humanity," KCNA quoted the spokesman as saying. There was no immediate reaction from the Japanese government. Japan's August 10 apology to South Korea wasn't its first to Seoul, but it coincided with the 100th anniversary this month of the annexation of the Korean peninsula. In his statement, Prime Minister Naoto Kan expressed "deep regret over the suffering inflicted" during Japan's rule. Cabinet members endorsed the statement, Japan's Kyodo news agency reported. Kan also said Japan will hand over precious cultural artifacts that South Korea has been demanding. Among them are records of an ancient Korean royal dynasty. Japan controlled Korea from 1910 to 1945. During that time, Japan's military is accused of forcing about 200,000 women, mainly from Korea and China, to serve as sex slaves. They were known as "comfort women" for soldiers in Japan's Imperial Army. In the past, there have been street protests and lawsuits in South Korea over the sufferings of the comfort women. South Korea's ruling Grand National Party said earlier this month the statement was "a step forward" from past statements, but "not enough to allay" Korean anger, the country's Yonhap news agency said. The statement "has no mention of illegitimacy of the forced annexation and Koreans forced to work as sex slaves or manual laborers by the Japanese army," Ahn Hyoung-hwan, a spokesman of the party, said, according to Yonhap.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/08/22/nkorea.japan.apology/index.html[/url] Kind of late to ask, ain't it?

no one is going to apologize to the north. fuck off kimmie.

[quote]"Japan should make a sincere apology and make full reparation to the Korean nation for its aggression and crimes against humanity," KCNA quoted the spokesman as saying.[/quote] How ironic.

[QUOTE=cdejong;24290976]How ironic.[/QUOTE] I was going to mention that. Damn. Interesting that they're demanding this. Last I checked, the North didn't exactly have the most honor-bound soldiers, per say. :raise:

I kind of agree with NK, Japan has gotten away with a lot of shit they did during colonization and war. But you can't ask a nation of a new generation to apologies for the older generation.

[QUOTE=Vasili;24291201]I kind of agree with NK, Japan has gotten away with a lot of shit they did during colonization and war. But you can't ask a nation of a new generation to apologies for the older generation.[/QUOTE] What do you mean got away? They kind of paid dearly for the choices their leaders made in the past... nukes and all that.

What a fuckin retard NK is...you so stupid

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24290874]enforced the harshest colonial rule in history over Korea, bringing unspeakably horrible misfortune and sufferings and disasters to the Korean nation[/QUOTE] Oh wow this is priceless.

[QUOTE=ohadje;24291247]What do you mean got away? They kind of paid dearly for the choices their leaders made in the past... nukes and all that.[/QUOTE] Their civilians died in cold blood while a majority of their military leaders responsible for genocide and countless war crimes more or less got away with a slap on the wrist. It was all for political reasons.

[QUOTE=Vasili;24291331]Their civilians died in cold blood while a majority of their military leaders responsible for genocide and countless war crimes more or less got away with a slap on the wrist. It was all for political reasons.[/QUOTE] Most important ones were executed if I recall.

[QUOTE=ohadje;24291361]Most important ones were executed if I recall.[/QUOTE] Sure, a few of them - except the ones granted immunity. The funny thing is that today people are still hunting ex Nazis from SS generals to just a common SS soldier, yet you've got none of that going on to the Japanese and its obvious as to why - political, the Japanese got away with a lot of things. Heck, I consider the Japanese worse than the Nazis or on the same level. I mean take a look at the Nanking Massacre.

[QUOTE=Vasili;24291490]Sure, a few of them - except the ones granted immunity. The funny thing is that today people are still hunting ex Nazis from SS generals to just a common SS soldier, yet you've got none of that going on to the Japanese and its obvious as to why - political, the Japanese got away with a lot of things. Heck, I consider the Japanese worse than the Nazis or on the same level. I mean take a look at the Nanking Massacre.[/QUOTE] Time for a little copy and paste fun. [quote=Nanking Massacre Death Toll] According to the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Military_Tribunal_for_the_Far_East"]International Military Tribunal for the Far East[/URL], estimates made at a later date indicate that the total number of civilians and prisoners of war murdered in Nanking and its vicinity during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation was over 200,000. These estimates are borne out by the figures of burial societies and other organizations, which testify to over 155,000 buried bodies. These figures do not take into account those persons whose bodies were destroyed by burning, drowning, or other means.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre#cite_note-68"][69][/URL] According to the verdict of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_War_Crimes_Tribunal"]Nanjing War Crimes Tribunal[/URL] on 10 March 1947, there are "more than 190,000 mass slaughtered civilians and Chinese soldiers killed by machine gun by the Japanese army, whose corpses have been burned to destroy proof. Besides, we count more than 150,000 victims of barbarian acts buried by the charity organizations. We thus have a total of more than 300,000 victims.[/quote] [quote=Holocaust Death Toll] The number of victims depends on which definition of "the Holocaust" is used. Donald Niewyk and Francis Nicosia write in [I]The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust[/I] that the term is commonly defined[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-Niewyk45-5"][6][/URL] as the mass murder, and attempt to wipe out, European Jewry, which would bring the total number of victims to just under six million—around 78 percent of the 7.3 million Jews in occupied Europe at the time.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-Gilbert242-202"][203][/URL] Broader definitions include approximately 2 to 3 million Soviet POWs, 2 million ethnic Poles, up to 1,500,000 Romani, 200,000 handicapped, political and religious dissenters, 15,000 homosexuals and 5,000 Jehovah's Witnesses, bringing the death toll to around 11 million. The broadest definition would include 6 million Soviet civilians, raising the death toll to 17 million.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-Niewyk45-5"][6][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.J._Rummel"]R.J. Rummel[/URL] estimates the total [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide"]democide[/URL] death toll of Nazi Germany to be 21 million. Other estimates put total casualties of Soviet Union's citizens alone to about 26 million.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-203"][204][/URL] Since 1945, the most commonly cited figure for the total number of Jews killed has been six million. The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad_Vashem"]Yad Vashem[/URL] Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem"]Jerusalem[/URL], writes that there is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed. The figure most commonly used is the six million attributed to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann"]Adolf Eichmann[/URL], a senior SS official.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-204"][205][/URL] Early calculations range from 5.1 million from [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raul_Hilberg"]Raul Hilberg[/URL], to 5.95 million from Jacob Leschinsky. Yisrael Gutman and Robert Rozett in the [I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_of_the_Holocaust"]Encyclopedia of the Holocaust[/URL][/I] estimate 5.59–5.86 million.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-205"][206][/URL] A study led by Wolfgang Benz of the Technical University of Berlin suggests 5.29–6.2 million.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-YadVashemnumbers-206"][207][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-isbn3-423-04690-2-207"][208][/URL] Yad Vashem writes that the main sources for these statistics are comparisons of prewar and postwar censuses and population estimates, and Nazi documentation on deportations and murders.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-YadVashemnumbers-206"][207][/URL] Its Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names currently holds close to 3 million names of Holocaust victims, all accessible online. Yad Vashem continues its project of collecting names of Jewish victims from historical documents and individual memories.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#cite_note-208"][209][/URL][/quote] While I whole-heartedly agree that the massacre at Nanking was an atrocious event, it really doesn't hold a candle to the truly vicious, sick and twisted shit that went down during the Holocaust.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;24291784]Time for a little copy and paste fun. While I whole-heartedly agree that the massacre at Nanking was an atrocious event, it really doesn't hold a candle to the truly vicious, sick and twisted shit that went down during the Holocaust.[/QUOTE] The Nazis were bad in the holocaust, but they don't hold a candle to the average Japanese soldier's treatment of civilians and soldiers alike. A German soldier was just as humane as any allied soldier, more so than the Soviets for the most part, but the Japanese soldiers raped, tortured, be-headed and amputated, hung, burned to death, etc etc on a common basis to anyone. Then you have to look at the Empire's use of sex slaves, their testing of biological and chemical weaponry and medical experiments on such a large scale that made the worst of the Nazi ones seem kind in comparison...Japan was far worse than the Nazis ever would be. And many of the Japanese officers and generals and governmental higher up did get away with it. Hell, Hirohito remained as emperor until the 80s. The US accepted nearly every term of surrender of the Japanese that were made by the Japanese- they chose what they got, we simply negotiated for some of the things we wanted.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;24291784] While I whole-heartedly agree that the massacre at Nanking was an atrocious event, it really doesn't hold a candle to the truly vicious, sick and twisted shit that went down during the Holocaust.[/QUOTE] The Nanking massacre was not the only thing the Japs did, there is a shit ton more. Hankow massacre Bataan Death March Black Christmas Bacteriological Wafare Banka Island massacre Operation Sankō Parit Sulong massacre Laha massacre Alexandra hospital massacre Sook Ching massacre Changjiao massacre Unit 100 Unit 731 Unit 8604 Unit 9420 Unit Ei 1644 "Death Railway" Comfort Women Sandakan Death marches War Crimes in Manchukuo Kaimingye germ weapon attack The Japanese military in WW2 were scum, so what if they didn't kill 6 million ethnics? They still did the same things on a lesser scale (and that lesser scale still being still pretty big). Torture and murder of POWs, extermination of civilians, mass murder of civilians, rape, looting, use of poisons as weapons (biological warfare experiments on humans), human vivisection, crime of slaving, POWs and civilian labourers forced to support war effort, sexual enslavement of captured Allied women; mass rape, murder of civilian slave laborers and POWs. This is not evening going into detail on other things they did, this is just stating war crime facts. The Japanese were militaristic cultured cunts and they were [I]exactly[/I] the same as the Nazis. But history has ignored them, and they have got away with a lot of it. They even still praise a lot of their military actions.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;24291784]Time for a little copy and paste fun. While I whole-heartedly agree that the massacre at Nanking was an atrocious event, it really doesn't hold a candle to the truly vicious, sick and twisted shit that went down during the Holocaust.[/QUOTE] There is still way worse stuff than the Holocaust. Stalin's regime in Russia=10-15 million deaths, King Leopold in the Congo=10 million deaths, Mao Tse Tung, blablabla. That being said, the Japanese soldiers were brutal in ways more disturbing than SS soldiers.

Are you people [I]seriously[/I] trying to are which was [I]worse[/I] when both are horrible tragedies that should of not happened to begin with anyways?

[quote] This is not evening going into detail on other things they did, this is just stating war crime facts. The Japanese were militaristic cultured cunts during the Imperial days and they were almost exactly the same as the Nazis. But history has ignored them, and they have got away with a lot of it. They even still praise a lot of their military actions. [/QUOTE] That's because Europe and the US care more about Europe and the US than Asia.

[QUOTE=ohadje;24292198]That's because Europe and the US care more about Europe and the US than Asia.[/QUOTE] Exactly, hence my original statement. They've got away with a lot of crap they have done and yet they are the same page in the same book as the Germans were. But as I said, its a older generation and the newer generation of Japanese are different to those Imperialistic days.

:irony:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24292197]Are you people [I]seriously[/I] trying to are which was [I]worse[/I] when both are horrible tragedies that should of not happened to begin with anyways?[/QUOTE] No, definitely not. I think any genocide/mass killing is abhorrent, some had further reaching impacts than others, but all are equally terrible.

Personally, I think the Russians got it worse on their eastern front, between the harsh fascist government and a harsh communist (dictator) one.

This Man is a major asshole [iMg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Shiro-ishii.jpg[/ImG] JAPAN did alot wired cruel shut back in World War 2 [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731[/url] [QUOTE=D;24292383] Description Unit 731 was based at the Pingfang district of Harbin, the largest city in the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo (now Northeast China). Shiro Ishii, commander of Unit 731More than ten thousand people,[1] from which around 600 every year were provided by the Kempeitai,[2] were subjects of the experimentation conducted by Unit 731. More than 95 percent of the victims who died in the camp based in Pingfang were Chinese and Korean, including both civilian and military.[3] The remaining 5 percent were South East Asians and Pacific Islanders, at the time colonies of the Empire of Japan, and a small number of the prisoners of war from the Allies of World War II.[4] According to the 2002 International Symposium on the Crimes of Bacteriological Warfare, the number of people killed by the Imperial Japanese Army germ warfare and human experiments is around 580,000.[5] According to other sources, the use of biological weapons researched in Unit 731's bioweapons and chemical weapons programs resulted in possibly as many as 200,000 deaths of military personnel and civilians in China.[6] Unit 731 was the headquarters of many subsidiary units used by the Japanese to research biological warfare; other units included Unit 516 (Qiqihar), Unit 543 (Hailar), Unit 773 (Songo unit), Unit 100 (Changchun), Unit Ei 1644 (Nanjing), Unit 1855 (Beijing), Unit 8604 (Guangzhou), Unit 200 (Manchuria) and Unit 9420 (Singapore). Many of the scientists involved in Unit 731 went on to prominent careers in post-war politics, academia, business, and medicine. Some were arrested by Soviet forces and tried at the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials; others surrendered to the American Forces. On 6 May 1947, Douglas MacArthur, as Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, wrote to Washington that "additional data, possibly some statements from Ishii probably can be obtained by informing Japanese involved that information will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed as 'War Crimes' evidence."[7] The deal was concluded in 1948. Because of their brutality, Unit 731's actions have since been declared by the United Nations to have been crimes against humanity.[citation needed] [edit] Formation Activities Weapons of mass destruction By type Biological Chemical Nuclear Radiological By country Albania Algeria Argentina Australia Brazil Bulgaria Burma Canada PR China France Germany India Iran Iraq Israel Japan Netherlands North Korea Pakistan Poland Romania Russia Saudi Arabia South Africa Sweden Syria Taiwan (ROC) Ukraine United Kingdom United States List of treaties v • d • e A special project code-named Maruta used human beings for experiments. Test subjects were gathered from the surrounding population and were sometimes referred to euphemistically as "logs" (丸太, maruta?).[11] This term originated as a joke on the part of the staff due to the fact that the official cover story for the facility given to the local authorities was that it was a lumber mill.[12] The test subjects were selected to give a wide cross section of the population and included common criminals, captured bandits and anti-Japanese partisans, political prisoners, and also people rounded up by the secret police for alleged "suspicious activities". They included infants, the elderly, and pregnant women. [edit] Vivisection Prisoners of war were subjected to vivisection without anesthesia.[11][13] Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Scientists performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was feared that the decomposition process would affect the results.[11][14] The infected and vivisected prisoners included men, women, children, and infants.[15] Vivisections were also performed on pregnant women, sometimes impregnated by doctors, and the fetus removed.[16] Prisoners had limbs amputated in order to study blood loss.[11] Those limbs that were removed were sometimes re-attached to the opposite sides of the body.[11] Some prisoners' limbs were frozen and amputated, while others had limbs frozen then thawed to study the effects of the resultant untreated gangrene and rotting. Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and the esophagus reattached to the intestines.[11] Parts of the brain, lungs, liver, etc. were removed from some prisoners.[11][13][17] In 2007, Doctor Ken Yuasa testified to the Japan Times that, "I was afraid during my first vivisection, but the second time around, it was much easier. By the third time, I was willing to do it." He believes at least 1,000 people, including surgeons, were involved in vivisections over mainland China.[18] [edit] Weapons testing Human targets were used to test grenades positioned at various distances and in different positions.[11] Flame throwers were tested on humans.[11] Humans were tied to stakes and used as targets to test germ-releasing bombs, chemical weapons, and explosive bombs.[11] [edit] Germ warfare attacks Prisoners were injected with inoculations of disease, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects.[11] To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea, then studied[11]. Prisoners were infested with fleas in order to acquire large quantities of disease-carrying fleas for the purposes of studying the viability of germ warfare[citation needed]. Plague fleas, infected clothing, and infected supplies encased in bombs were dropped on various targets. The resulting cholera, anthrax, and plague were estimated to have killed around 400,000 Chinese civilians.[11] Tularemia was tested on Chinese civilians.[19] Unit 731 and its affiliated units (Unit 1644, Unit 100, et cetera) were involved in research, development, and experimental deployment of epidemic-creating biowarfare weapons in assaults against the Chinese populace (both civilian and military) throughout World War II. Plague-infested fleas, bred in the laboratories of Unit 731 and Unit 1644, were spread by low-flying airplanes upon Chinese cities, coastal Ningbo in 1940, and Changde, Hunan Province, in 1941. This military aerial spraying killed thousands of people with bubonic plague epidemics.[20] [edit] Other experiments Prisoners were subjected to other torturous experiments such as being hung upside down to see how long it would take for them to choke to death, having air injected into their arteries to determine the time until the onset of embolism, and having horse urine injected into their kidneys.[11] Other incidents include being deprived of food and water to determine the length of time until death, being placed into high-pressure chambers until death, having experiments performed upon prisoners to determine the relationship between temperature, burns, and human survival, being placed into centrifuges and spun until dead, having animal blood injected and the effects studied, being exposed to lethal doses of x-rays, having various chemical weapons tested on prisoners inside gas chambers, being injected with sea water to determine if it could be a substitute for saline and being buried alive.[citation needed] [edit] Biological warfare Japanese scientists performed tests on prisoners with plague, cholera, smallpox, botulism, and other diseases.[21] This research led to the development of the defoliation bacilli bomb and the flea bomb used to spread the bubonic plague.[22] Some of these bombs were designed with ceramic (porcelain) shells, an idea proposed by Ishii in 1938. These bombs enabled Japanese soldiers to launch biological attacks, infecting agriculture, reservoirs, wells, and other areas with anthrax, plague-carrier fleas, typhoid, dysentery, cholera, and other deadly pathogens. During biological bomb experiments, scientists dressed in protective suits would examine the dying victims. Infected food supplies and clothing were dropped by airplane into areas of China not occupied by Japanese forces. In addition, poisoned food and candies were given out to unsuspecting victims and children, and the results examined. [edit] Known Unit members [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vasili;24292150]The Nanking massacre was not the only thing the Japs did, there is a shit ton more. Hankow massacre Bataan Death March Black Christmas Bacteriological Wafare Banka Island massacre Operation Sankō Parit Sulong massacre Laha massacre Alexandra hospital massacre Sook Ching massacre Changjiao massacre Unit 100 Unit 731 Unit 8604 Unit 9420 Unit Ei 1644 "Death Railway" Comfort Women Sandakan Death marches War Crimes in Manchukuo Kaimingye germ weapon attack The Japanese military in WW2 where scum, so what if they didn't kill 6 million ethnics? They still did the same things on a lesser scale (and that lesser scale still being still pretty big). Torture and murder of POWs, extermination of civilians, mass murder of civilians, rape, looting, use of poisons as weapons (biological warfare experiments on humans), human vivisection, crime of slaving, POWs and civilian labourers forced to support war effort, sexual enslavement of captured Allied women; mass rape, murder of civilian slave laborers and POWs. This is not even going into detail on other things they did, this is just stating war crime facts. The Japanese were militaristic cultured cunts during the Imperial days and they were almost [I]exactly[/I] the same as the Nazis. But history has ignored them, and they have got away with a lot of it. They even still praise a lot of their military actions. [/QUOTE] :golfclap: I admit defeat here. I'm really rusty on my WW2 knowledge. Still, trying to compare the two (now that I look at it), is kind of a ridiculous thing to do. It's like trying to decide which pile of shit smells worse. They both did horribly atrocious things, but all of the money in the world isn't going to bring back the dead. Regardless, North Korea shouldn't be trying to ask for reparations at this point (because come on, it's North Korea). At least Japan has turned around and is trying to help the world now, instead of wagging their dick in the faces of world leaders and threatening nuclear war at every turn. In fact, didn't North Korea just recently say they would wipe out Japan if they ever attacked the Korean Peninsula? (Even though maintaining a standing military or possessing nuclear weapons is expressly forbidden by their constitution [sp]right?[/sp])

I hate the fact that everyone ignores the crimes that Stalin and the USSR did to the Eastern European countries during WW2. And now everyones jacking off about anything USSR. It's like a huge fuck you to anyone who suffered from those vile fucktards.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;24293480]:golfclap: I admit defeat here. I'm really rusty on my WW2 knowledge. Still, trying to compare the two (now that I look at it), is kind of a ridiculous thing to do. It's like trying to decide which pile of shit smells worse. They both did horribly atrocious things, but all of the money in the world isn't going to bring back the dead. Regardless, North Korea shouldn't be trying to ask for reparations at this point (because come on, it's North Korea). At least Japan has turned around and is trying to help the world now, instead of wagging their dick in the faces of world leaders and threatening nuclear war at every turn. In fact, didn't North Korea just recently say they would wipe out Japan if they ever attacked the Korean Peninsula? (Even though maintaining a standing military or possessing nuclear weapons is expressly forbidden by their constitution [sp]right?[/sp])[/QUOTE] North Korea are todays ture Nazis(WW2 Japan) but just hasve very very low on money and fun to make fun of

"Apologize to my family or I call the cops"

[QUOTE=Paravin;24293506]I hate the fact that everyone ignores the crimes that Stalin and the USSR did to the Eastern European countries during WW2. And now everyones jacking off about anything USSR. It's like a huge fuck you to anyone who suffered from those vile fucktards.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure the atrocities of the USSR are well known.

I still think the most disgusting of Japanese acts during WWII was castrating US POW's and feeding them their own genitals.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24292197]Are you people [I]seriously[/I] trying to are which was [I]worse[/I] when both are horrible tragedies that should of not happened to begin with anyways?[/QUOTE] Why is this post getting dumbs?

[quote]"Japan should make a sincere apology and make full reparation to the Korean nation for its aggression and crimes against humanity," KCNA quoted the spokesman as saying.[/quote] How about YOU apologise to EVERYONE for being a DICKHOLE?