White House aims for Thursday signing of religious liberty executive order - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/02/donald-trump-religious-liberty-executive-order-237888"]http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/02/donald-trump-religious-liberty-executive-order-237888[/URL] [QUOTE]President Donald Trump has invited conservative leaders to the White House on Thursday for what they expect will be the ceremonial signing of a long-awaited—and highly controversial—executive order on religious liberty, according to multiple people familiar with the situation. Two senior administration officials confirmed the plan, though one cautioned that it hasn’t yet been finalized, and noted that lawyers are currently reviewing and fine-tuning the draft language. Thursday is the National Day of Prayer, and the White House was already planning to celebrate the occasion with faith leaders. The signing would represent a major triumph for Vice President Mike Pence—whose push for religious-freedom legislation backfired mightily when he served as governor of Indiana—and his allies in the conservative movement. [B]The original draft order, which would have established broad exemptions for people and groups to claim religious objections under virtually any circumstance[/B], was leaked to The Nation on Feb. 1—the handiwork, many conservatives believed, of Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, who have sought to project themselves as friendly to the LGBT community. Liberals blasted the draft order as government-licensed discrimination, and the White House distanced itself from the leaked document in a public statement. Pence and a small team of conservative allies quickly began working behind the scenes to revise the language, and in recent weeks have ratcheted up the pressure on Trump to sign it. The new draft is being tightly held, but one influential conservative who saw the text said it hasn’t been dialed back much—if at all—since the February leak. “The language is very, very strong,” the source said.[/QUOTE] It appears that executive order was real along. Is it time to panic?

Wait, are they allowed to keep the content of the bill secret all the way until it it made law?

[QUOTE=Cyberdan;52180797]Wait, are they allowed to keep the content of the bill secret all the way until it it made law?[/QUOTE] It's an Executive Order, not a bill. I'm not sure how those work when it comes to details or secrecy.

[QUOTE=Cyberdan;52180797]Wait, are they allowed to keep the content of the bill secret all the way until it it made law?[/QUOTE] It's not a bill, it's an EO, and therefore not really "law". The President, like the judicial branch, cannot create law. Only congress can do that.

Fully expecting that damn wild Ninth Circuit liberal court to strike it down as unconstitutional pretty much out of the gate if nothing was changed, and then Trump to whine like a crybaby on his Twitter, as all presidents should. 1357 days left, folks.

The US needs a larger population of satanists and other religious activists to sour any new faith-based rules coming out.

Sharia law when?

The summary The Nation source provides essentially grants additional privileges to mainstream religious citizens elevating them above atheists and agnostics. You have more "rights" claiming a religion than if you do not.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;52180934]The summary The Nation source provides essentially grants additional privileges to mainstream religious citizens elevating them above atheists and agnostics. You have more "rights" claiming a religion than if you do not.[/QUOTE] How....how is that even legal.

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52180959]How....how is that even legal.[/QUOTE] It isn't, but do you really think this administration is at all concerned whether anything they do is illegal or unconstitutional?

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52180962]It isn't, but do you really think this administration is at all concerned whether anything they do is illegal or unconstitutional?[/QUOTE] What worries me a lot is that people will be happy about this. Because it's perfectly fine to take rights away from people they disagree with.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;52180934]The summary The Nation source provides essentially grants additional privileges to mainstream religious citizens elevating them above atheists and agnostics. You have more "rights" claiming a religion than if you do not.[/QUOTE] "Activist religions" are going to gain a lot of new followers

Meanwhile, the GOP will never talk about Trump ruling by executive order the way they said Obama did...

The issue I have with conservative legislation in recent years is that they promote the interests of and show favoritism towards certain groups (businesses, religions, etc.) under the guise of individual freedom and libertarianism, often throwing others under the bus in the process. As an LGBT individual, I never had high hopes for this administration for this very reason. Anyone who thought that Trump and the current spread of Congress would be even neutral towards the issue of LGBT rights was a fool. It was outlined very clearly within the Republican party platform that they were going to promote this sort of legislation in the name of Religious freedom so I see no reason why this should come as a surprise towards anyone. It's a shame that my oppression has to come at the hands of others' Religious expression.

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;52180934]The summary The Nation source provides essentially grants additional privileges to mainstream religious citizens elevating them above atheists and agnostics. You have more "rights" claiming a religion than if you do not.[/QUOTE] is trump aware that muslims would get these benefits?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52181134]is trump aware that muslims would get these benefits?[/QUOTE] He'll add a small print that says *The rights given by this executive order only apply to Conservative Christians only.

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52181138]He'll add a small print that says *The rights given by this executive order only apply to Conservative Christians only.[/QUOTE] *And to Orthodox Jews [sp]Nepotism[/sp]

If this is anything like that Indiana RFRA, I wouldn't be surprised if it clarified that it did not grant license to discrimimate.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;52181195]If this is anything like that Indiana RFRA, I wouldn't be surprised if it clarified that it did not grant license to discrimimate.[/QUOTE] I (and likely most people), however, would be less surprised if it didn't clarify that.

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52181074]What worries me a lot is that people will be happy about this. Because it's perfectly fine to take rights away from people they disagree with.[/QUOTE] Let them try it. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1555654[/url]

[QUOTE=Govna;52181432]Let them try it. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1555654[/url][/QUOTE] Are you suggesting armed confrontation over this?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52181464]Are you suggesting armed confrontation over this?[/QUOTE] No offence to Govna, but I suspect if there was going to be another American civil war, Govna would be one of the first participants in it. [editline]3rd May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52181138]He'll add a small print that says *The rights given by this executive order only apply to Conservative Christians only.[/QUOTE] You're joking but if this EO somehow survives I can literally see them restricting which religion this applies to and which ones it doesn't.

[QUOTE=Govna;52181432]Let them try it. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1555654[/url][/QUOTE] Lol, right wing militias would fail against the government, left wing militias would fail even harder. These are the same people who cowered at the sight of a gun, they just advocate violent resistance because they've read about it in their books about Marxism.

[URL="https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/05/trump-administration-looks-gut-transgender-healthcare-protections/"]https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/05/trump-administration-looks-gut-transgender-healthcare-protections/[/URL] [QUOTE]“The Section 1557 regulation has been literally lifesaving for transgender people all across the country, who are routinely turned away from emergency rooms and doctors’ offices and refused coverage for critical medical care,” Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality, said in a statement. “Now the Trump administration is going after transgender people yet again and trying to take away these basic protections. The administration is rejecting the views of every major medical association, most courts, and most Americans, who believe that people should not be denied health care because of who they are. That’s not just bad science and bad law — it’s a dangerous attack on transgender people’s ability to survive.”[/QUOTE] So this would effectively allow hospitals and doctors to resume turning away trans people, something that did happen with pretty regular occurrence before the ACA. Great.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52181507]These are the same people who cowered at the sight of a gun[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised how many LGBT people have a fascination with firearms. Some gay/trans people that I know would put Hickock45 to shame in how much they enjoy guns.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52181507]Lol, right wing militias would fail against the government, left wing militias would fail even harder. These are the same people who cowered at the sight of a gun, they just advocate violent resistance because they've read about it in their books about Marxism.[/QUOTE] yes because they are all the same remember /s

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52181464]Are you suggesting armed confrontation over this?[/QUOTE] No, I'm suggesting it wouldn't be as easy to take these people's rights away as some think it would, especially with all of the preparation and paranoia that occurred after the election. People tend not to like it when you try to strip their rights away from them because of their sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. I mean, they can always [i]try[/i] to if they want, but it would be very stupid of them. Pissing huge swathes of the country off over things like this isn't a good idea. That's exactly what leads to armed confrontation in the first place, and there's no need for it. But if you back them into a corner, expect them to retaliate. Any animal in nature would react the exact same way. I have no doubt that this EO will be struck down by the courts as being unconstitutional immediately (or at least very quickly) if they go through with it though. I mean this kind of shit... [QUOTE=1239the;52181540][URL="https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/05/trump-administration-looks-gut-transgender-healthcare-protections/"]https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/05/trump-administration-looks-gut-transgender-healthcare-protections/[/URL] [quote]“The Section 1557 regulation has been literally lifesaving for transgender people all across the country, who are routinely turned away from emergency rooms and doctors’ offices and refused coverage for critical medical care,” Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality, said in a statement. “Now the Trump administration is going after transgender people yet again and trying to take away these basic protections. The administration is rejecting the views of every major medical association, most courts, and most Americans, who believe that people should not be denied health care because of who they are. That’s not just bad science and bad law — it’s a dangerous attack on transgender people’s ability to survive.”[/quote] So this would effectively allow hospitals and doctors to resume turning away trans people, something that did happen with pretty regular occurrence before the ACA. Great.[/QUOTE] ...is ridiculous, and there's no way our individuals and branches who are supposed to participate in checks and balances would allow this to occur. There would be some sort of legal pushback against this. It's inhumane and absurd.

So anyone want to form our own religion for the sole purpose of using this bill against the people who put it into place? This bill is one hell of a double edged sword.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;52181564]So anyone want to form our own religion for the sole purpose of using this bill against the people who put it into place? This bill is one hell of a [B]double edged sword[/B].[/QUOTE] It's not entirely a double edged sword though. I'd estimate it to be a 1.85 edged sword. Actually, that should be the name of the religion. Double Edged Sword. /s

This bill in its current wording would essentially legalized any form of discrimination by anyone against any group.