Keith Ellison endorsed by former rival in DNC race
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[quote]New Hampshire Democratic Party Chair Ray Buckley has quit the race to head the Democratic National Committee, backing instead Rep. Keith Ellison, he said in a joint statement released Saturday afternoon.
“The top two priorities of the next DNC Chair must be to strengthen state parties and reform the DNC,” Buckley said. “Now, many candidates have spoken about these issues, but Keith’s commitment to the states and a transparent and accountable DNC has stood out.”
One of the first candidates to enter the race, Buckley — who had the most experience inside the party — became the most pointed critic of where it had failed. He repeatedly scorched Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign for not doing the sort of mass voter persuasion that the New Hampshire Democrats had prioritized in their state. At the same time, he criticized moderators of some party forums for asking about hot political issues instead of focusing on the nuts and bolts of running the DNC.
Buckley’s endorsement also comes after Perez’s campaign announced that 180 of the 447 voting DNC members had gotten behind him — a figure Ellison’s camp disputed, predicting a backlash from undecided members. NBC News first reported that Buckley and Ellison were talking about an endorsement, although Saturday’s joint statement makes it clear that Buckley will take no official role as part of the deal.
The DNC will elect its new leadership at a meeting in Atlanta on Feb. 25.[/quote]
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Take that, establishment scum!
I just have a sneaking suspicion that Perez will win.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51842092]I just have a sneaking suspicion that Perez will win.[/QUOTE]
Me too, but I REALLY, REALLY want Keith to nab it, so I'm holding out hope.
The 2015/2016 primary scarred me, though. Let's see if the DNC fucks up a SECOND time...
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51842102]Me too, but I REALLY, REALLY want Keith to nab it, so I'm holding out hope.
The 2015/2016 primary scarred me, though. Let's see if the DNC fucks up a SECOND time...[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/17/leaked-emails-dem-state-leaders-think-obama-s-new-organizing-army-is-grade-a-bullshit.html"]They got caught basically saying progressives killed the democrats state-wise yesterday.[/URL]
Amyone mind filling me in on who Keith Ellison is?
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51842124]Amyone mind filling me in on who Keith Ellison is?[/QUOTE]
iirc he's a lot like Bernie Sanders by being both progressive and anti-establishment, and is the only one like that who has even the slightest chance of winning DNC chair.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51842112][URL="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/17/leaked-emails-dem-state-leaders-think-obama-s-new-organizing-army-is-grade-a-bullshit.html"]They got caught basically saying progressives killed the democrats state-wise yesterday.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Don't be dishonest, that's not what that article has them saying. The article shows the Democratic leaders (correctly) saying that Obama's organization vehicle was separated, bad at communication, and not helpful like they were supposed to be. All combined then, this led to less effective state-level organizing and election loses. As against the establishment Democratic party as I am, I'd have to agree with them on that.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51842124]Amyone mind filling me in on who Keith Ellison is?[/QUOTE]
He's a progressive (by establishment standards) who supported Sanders during the primary. His platform focuses almost exclusively on grassroots voter engagement and turnout, which the party desperately needs if it's going to have a chance in 2018/2020.
Keith is leagues better than any of the other candidates, particularly Perez who is basically Debbie Wasserman-Schultz all over again.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51842141]iirc he's a lot like Bernie Sanders by being both progressive and anti-establishment, and is the only one like that who has even the slightest chance of winning DNC chair.[/QUOTE]
I brushed through his bio right now, what are his "progressive" policies?
I didn't see anything yet that stands out as the "oh so progressive" liberal, I read up on his statements about darfur and that's more a basic humanity issue.
People are saying he's the progressive choice, but what I brushed up seems pretty normal or at least aligned with my beliefs.
[QUOTE=Ithon;51842458]I brushed through his bio right now, what are his "progressive" policies?
I didn't see anything yet that stands out as the "oh so progressive" liberal, I read up on his statements about darfur and that's more a basic humanity issue.
People are saying he's the progressive choice, but what I brushed up seems pretty normal or at least aligned with my beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Progressive compared to all the other candidates.
[QUOTE=Ithon;51842458]I brushed through his bio right now, what are his "progressive" policies?
I didn't see anything yet that stands out as the "oh so progressive" liberal, I read up on his statements about darfur and that's more a basic humanity issue.
People are saying he's the progressive choice, but what I brushed up seems pretty normal or at least aligned with my beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you are progressive then. The word has been smeared lately and so many people think it means sjw safe space tumblrites etc. Progressive to me is like it was in the 1900s when Teddy Roosevelt was president, he was a progressive.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51842141]iirc he's a lot like Bernie Sanders by being both progressive and anti-establishment, and is the only one like that who has even the slightest chance of winning DNC chair.[/QUOTE]
Except some issues are moderate or light hawkish on Syria. But over all he mostly Progressive.
And he need [Sam] Ronan candidate as his VP for DNC if he need Millennial generation to give them hope and keep Democratic Party afloat.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;51842775]Except some issues are moderate or light hawkish on Syria. But over all he mostly Progressive.
And he need [Sam] Ronan candidate as his VP for DNC if he need Millennial generation to give them hope and keep Democratic Party afloat.[/QUOTE]
The only Problem is that I fear that there is a significant risk that a lot of people will think he wants to force state-sponsored sharia law.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51842851]The only Problem is that I fear that there is a significant risk that a lot of people will think he wants to [B]force state-sponsored sharia law[/B].[/QUOTE]
Honestly those people arent much so different from Radical [I]social[/I] left or extreme social moderate when they think of their own identity politics.
And this could appiled to every non-christian people supposedly want make this officially [I]Secular[/I] Nation into their Non-Secular theocracy by ironic Christian theocrats.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51842851]The only Problem is that I fear that there is a significant risk that a lot of people will think he wants to force state-sponsored sharia law.[/QUOTE]
Elect him just so you can prove the misinformed wrong
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51842124]Amyone mind filling me in on who Keith Ellison is?[/QUOTE]
He is also former nation of islam.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51842975]He is also former nation of islam.[/QUOTE]
i'm a keith ellison fan now
[QUOTE=Tudd;51842975]He is also former nation of islam.[/QUOTE]
You realize he was never a member, right? Or is this another one of your alternative facts?
I have no problem with the guy being a muslim. I've never had muslims bother me at home trying to get me to convert and there are a fuckload of muslims where I live, we have the highest concentration of Afghan's in the country
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51843140]I have no problem with the guy being a muslim. I've never had muslims bother me at home trying to get me to convert and there are a fuckload of muslims where I live, we have the highest concentration of Afghan's in the country[/QUOTE]
tudd's point wasn't about ellison being a muslim, it was about his past support for the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam]Nation of Islam[/url] and defense of Farrakhan's anti-semitic remarks. he has since denounced NOI and expressed regret in his support
[QUOTE=Swiket;51843213]tudd's point wasn't about ellison being a muslim, it was about his past support for the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam]Nation of Islam[/url] and defense of Farrakhan's anti-semitic remarks. he has since denounced NOI and expressed regret in his support[/QUOTE]
Yep.
Keith is fine for the most part despite that history, but I have problems with him on policy and being an identity politics canidate.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51843451]Yep.
Keith is fine for the most part despite that history, but I have problems with him on policy and being an identity politics canidate.[/QUOTE]
And casually targeting him for his past ties to NOI isn't playing "identity politics?"
[QUOTE=Tudd;51843451]Yep.
Keith is fine for the most part despite that history, but I have problems with him on policy and being an identity politics can[B]d[/B]idate.[/QUOTE]
Also love [you] misspelling candidate
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51843530]And casually targeting him for his past ties to NOI isn't playing "identity politics?"[/QUOTE]
I think it shows a lack of good judgement.
[editline]18th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;51843572]Also love misspelling candidate[/QUOTE]
Are you the new smartness feature for Facepunch? :v:
[QUOTE=Tudd;51843599]I think it shows a lack of good judgement.
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You've never supported any dumb shit in your youth? Perhaps, I don't know, like Donald Trump maybe?
Slightly unrelated question: out of curiosity, where do you place yourself on the political spectrum? You seem like Facepunch's more mild-mannered version of Milo Yiannopoulos. A perpetual contrarian who fucking LOVES the negative attention that it begets. Not trying to ad-hominem, I'm genuinely curious what makes you tick.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51843451]Yep.
Keith is fine for the most part despite that history, but I have problems with him on policy and being an identity politics canidate.[/QUOTE]
You supported a candidate who ran a huge segment of his campaign on identity politics. Seems like you don't have a problem with that at all.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51843599]I think it shows a lack of good judgement.
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If you can forgive Trumps for the mistakes of his past then you should be able to forgive Ellison. It was 20 years ago and even the Nation of Islam repudiates him. It's time to move on and focus your criticism on shit that matters.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51843599]I think it shows a lack of good judgement.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, yours. How disingenuous is it to say that you're against "identity politics" yet your very first comment in the thread is just that?
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;51843728]Yeah, yours. How disingenuous is it to say that you're against "identity politics" yet your very first comment in the thread is just that?[/QUOTE]
Because I don't immediately discount him for it, nor do I ignore the context of the situation. The identity politics I fight against is people who solely use it for their disagreement with someone.
It's just poor judgement what happened with his ties with them. I do think he is slightly better than average on the DNC area atm though and not a bad guy.
[editline]19th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51843643]You've never supported any dumb shit in your youth? Perhaps, I don't know, like Donald Trump maybe?
Slightly unrelated question: out of curiosity, where do you place yourself on the political spectrum? You seem like Facepunch's more mild-mannered version of Milo Yiannopoulos. A perpetual contrarian who fucking LOVES the negative attention that it begets. Not trying to ad-hominem, I'm genuinely curious what makes you tick.[/QUOTE]
Lol, I mean this election both sides would look like an idiot no matter what they chose. It is just various degrees of subjective idiocy on both sides.
I am not really sure where I am currently right now on a political spectrum honestly. Seems to be basically conservative here, but I don't have the typical arguments in RL compared to what I argue here.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51845642]Because I don't immediately discount him for it, nor do I ignore the context of the situation. The identity politics I fight against is people who solely use it for their disagreement with someone.
It's just poor judgement what happened with his ties with them. I do think he is slightly better than average on the DNC area atm though and not a bad guy.
[editline]19th February 2017[/editline]
Lol, I mean this election both sides would look like an idiot no matter what they chose. It is just various degrees of subjective idiocy on both sides.
I am not really sure where I am currently right now on a political spectrum honestly. Seems to be basically conservative here, but I don't have the typical arguments in RL compared to what I argue here.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Tudd;51845642]
Lol, I mean this election both sides would look like an idiot no matter what they chose. It is just various degrees of subjective idiocy on both sides. [/QUOTE]
Well we know both candidates had record levels of disapproval but as I've commented on before, a large amount of support from Clinton came from the fact that she was merely the opposition to Trump, where as Trump has a huge base of massively enthusiastic people who support him in totality. I think there is a remarkable level of difference between the two sides with regards to how their supporters view their own candidate.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51845642]I am not really sure where I am currently right now on a political spectrum honestly. Seems to be basically conservative here, but I don't have the typical arguments in RL compared to what I argue here.[/QUOTE]
If you don't support anything vaguely liberal while actively pushing conservative ideology and spend time and energy working to generalize the left and portray it as the worst of it's worst "members" then yeah, I'd say conservative too.
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