Burglar dies after 68-year-old homeowner ties him to tree with ‘multiple layers of masking tape’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Johnson told police that he confronted the person, prompting the suspected burglar to fall or jump off the back steps, Al.com reported. Johnson subdued the man once he was on the ground and tied his hands behind his back, police told Al.com. The man was later identified as 31-year-old Cleveland Jones Gully. Police said that after restraining Gully’s hands, Johnson placed duct tape over his mouth and tied the man to a tree using rudimentary materials — electrical wire, rope from a clothesline and masking tape. [B]“He began to tie him to the tree still in the standing-up position,” Stringer told WALA, noting that Johnson used “multiple layers of masking tape that he had wrapped around his mouth and all the way around his head.” [/B] With the alleged intruder tied to a tree, Johnson told police, he returned to his neighbor’s house to alert police. Gully “was still alive at that point, and there was no indication that he was dying,” Stringer told Al.com. But when sheriff’s deputies arrived at Johnson’s home 10 minutes later, Stringer said, Gully was dead. “I don’t think he was intending to kill the intruder,” Stringer told WALA. “I think he wanted to capture him and have him arrested.” [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/burglar-dies-after-68-year-old-homeowner-ties-him-to-tree-with-‘multiple-layers-of-masking-tape’/ar-BBv4u2Q?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=wispr"]Oops[/URL]

Soo.. suffocation? If he taped his nose and mouth up that warrants some kind of repercussion.

Whoa. You don't hear this everday, do ya.

Sounds like a terrifying way to go.

I'm guessing he only taped his mouth shut but the poor guy had a congested nose, terrible to imagine.

why would he need to tape his mouth?

This happened in Alabama and the homeowner is 68. Knowing older folks from the South I've got a feeling he was trying to teach him a lesson he wouldn't forget, not kill him. Just bad all around.

[QUOTE=ferrus;50808691]Soo.. suffocation? If he taped his nose and mouth up that warrants some kind of repercussion.[/QUOTE] I mean, is the guy really a threat to society for not counting on a burglar to be incapable of breathing through their nose?

[QUOTE=srobins;50808900]I mean, is the guy really a threat to society for not counting on a burglar to be incapable of breathing through their nose?[/QUOTE] He did commit manslaughter at the least.

If they can prove that his intent was to keep him alive, then it will probably be something like voluntary manslaughter.

That would be involuntary manslaughter.

Don't see why he should be charged, he obviously didn't intend to kill him, he just wanted to make sure the burglar wasn't going to get away and probably assumed he'd be able to breath through his nose.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50809019]Don't see why he should be charged, he obviously didn't intend to kill him, he just wanted to make sure the burglar wasn't going to get away and probably assumed he'd be able to breath through his nose.[/QUOTE] American justice system is punitive, not practical Someone died so someone has to pay the price

i clicked on this thread fearful this was a situation where the homeowner deliberately suffocated the guy as a form of torture like that one guy who tortured those two teens who broke into his house. i'm sad this happened but relieved it appears to have only been an accident

Don't charge him. The burglar was in the wrong here to begin with and started the whole situation, there's no evidence this guy was trying to do anything other than restrain him so he couldn't get away (he's old on top of that). Moral of the story: don't break into people's houses, or else you might suffocate after the homeowner duct tapes you to a tree.

[QUOTE=Govna;50809041]Don't charge him. The burglar was in the wrong here to begin with and started the whole situation, there's no evidence this guy was trying to do anything other than restrain him so he couldn't get away (he's old on top of that). Moral of the story: don't break into people's houses, or else you might suffocate after the homeowner duct tapes you to a tree.[/QUOTE] The burglar was in the wrong to, well, commit a crime of course, but the homeowner was also in the wrong for how he handled the situation.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50809073]The burglar was in the wrong to, well, commit a crime of course, but the homeowner was also in the wrong for how he handled the situation.[/QUOTE] Not really, he thought he could restrain him. There wasn't any ill intention here, so he doesn't deserve to be charged with anything and imprisoned like some people are suggesting. That would be a ridiculous waste of money and resources.

[QUOTE=Govna;50809084]Not really, he thought he could restrain him. There wasn't any ill intention here, so he doesn't deserve to be charged with anything and imprisoned like some people are suggesting. That would be a ridiculous waste of money and resources.[/QUOTE] Well, Isn't taping someone's mouth without thinking that they might suffocate due to nasal congestion, by definition, reckless? And besides, as RIPBILLYMAYS said, the American justice system is punitive, not practical, so this guy is probably going to get charged.

today I learned that citizens are allowed to bind up potential criminals and inhibit their means of escape, communication, and breathability.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50809094]Well, Isn't taping someone's mouth without thinking that they might suffocate due to nasal congestion, by definition, reckless? And besides, as RIPBILLYMAYS said, the American justice system is punitive, not practical, so this guy is probably going to get charged.[/QUOTE] No, not since they broke into his home in the first place and caused the entire situation to occur. I mean it's a pretty simple social contract: don't do that, or else something might happen to you. He could've gotten shot, beaten to death, stabbed, whatever. Suffocation while being restrained with duct tape is a new one, but it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Again, it's not like there was a deliberate intention here to kill the burglar. Even the cop said as much who was interviewed here. And if they do charge him, this needs to be spread around as much as possible. There would definitely be other people out there who would take his side and be willing to support him in court. Seems like that's the only way things get done anymore, when enough people bitch to the powers that be about it. But what an absolute waste of resources it'll be to arrest this guy, take him to trial, and then imprison him if he's convicted.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50809094]Well, Isn't taping someone's mouth without thinking that they might suffocate due to nasal congestion, by definition, reckless? And besides, as RIPBILLYMAYS said, the American justice system is punitive, not practical, so this guy is probably going to get charged.[/QUOTE] I'll be sure to jot down a quick medical report of the guy breaking into my house, if I'm ever in this situation, I guess. Stupid games, stupid prizes, etc. [editline]31st July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Map in a box;50809102]today I learned that citizens are allowed to bind up potential criminals and inhibit their means of escape, communication, and breathability.[/QUOTE] I hope you're not implying people shouldn't be allowed to restrain someone breaking in to their house.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;50809102]today I learned that citizens are allowed to bind up potential criminals and inhibit their means of [B]escape,[/B] communication, and breathability.[/QUOTE] why the shit would you want to let a criminal escape fuck that. if someone breaks into my home, they're going to prison.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;50809102]today I learned that citizens are allowed to bind up potential criminals and inhibit their means of escape, communication, and breathability.[/QUOTE] If he didn't die due to completely unpredictable reasons this would be a lighthearted and humourous story about a man's wacky way of restraining a criminal and nobody would care at all.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;50809107]I'll be sure to jot down a quick medical report of the guy breaking into my house, if I'm ever in this situation, I guess. Stupid games, stupid prizes, etc.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that, when restraining a criminal in your house, you should be cautious and think about what you do to restrain them, since it could end up killing them, as shown here. And people also need to stop with this "stupid game, stupid prizes" bullshit. Not how I think at all.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;50809102]today I learned that citizens are allowed to bind up potential criminals and inhibit their means of escape, communication, and breathability.[/QUOTE] "potential" Dude he was in the middle of breaking into the guys house, he WAS a criminal. And yes you are allowed to restrain burglars.

[QUOTE=Reds;50809118]If he didn't die due to completely unpredictable reasons this would be a lighthearted and humourous story about a man's wacky way of restraining a criminal and nobody would care at all.[/QUOTE] It is completely possible to think for one second that taping his mouth could kill him, since there's a possibility he may have problems with his nose.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50809130]It is completely possible to think for one second that taping his mouth could kill him, since there's a possibility he may have problems with his nose.[/QUOTE] Oh for gods sake, just about anything can [I]potentially[/I] kill someone. If a criminal has heart problems and you wrestle him to the ground that can [I]potentially[/I] kill them. You can't expect a 68 year old fucking man to consider every possible medical condition on the planet when dealing with a criminal trying to break in.

Man, this is conflicting. It's an innocent mistake with not-so-innocent consequences. Terrible situation all around, but I guess I don't think he should be charged

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50809122]I'm saying that, when restraining a criminal in your house, you should be cautious and think about what you do to restrain them, since it could end up killing them, as shown here. And people also need to stop with this "stupid game, stupid prizes" bullshit. Not how I think at all.[/QUOTE]You know, I'll double down on my opinion. I fully support Texas's stand your ground laws-- if someone breaks into a home, I think the homeowner is more than justified to shoot him. I'm not risking my life with a potentially armed home intruder just because "he might just be really having a tough time, man!! he might really need the money!!". Fuck him.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50809197]You know, I'll double down on my opinion. I fully support Texas's stand your ground laws-- if someone breaks into a home, I think the homeowner is more than justified to shoot him.[/QUOTE] is that specific to texas' law?