• Obama praises Australia's, UK's gun laws following mass shooting
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[quote=9 News Australia]President Barack Obama has praised Australia’s gun laws after 13 people died in a mass shooting at a community college in Oregon. In a scathing criticism of America’s gun policy, an exasperated Mr Obama said the United States was the only advanced country on earth that has mass shootings every few months. “Somehow this has become routine,” Mr Obama said. “The reporting is routine. My response here at this podium ends up being routine. The conversation in the aftermath of it… we’ve become numb to it.” Mr Obama praised Australia’s gun control laws. “We know that other countries in response to one mass shooting have managed to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours, Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. “So we know there are ways to prevent it.” He said the notion that more guns and less gun control would cause less gun deaths was not supported by polling, or by the majority of law-abiding gun-owning citizens. “There is a gun for roughly every man woman and child in America, so how can you with a straight face make the argument that more guns will make us safer. “We know that states with the most gun laws tend to have the least gun deaths.”[/quote] [url]http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/10/02/08/42/obama-praises-australia-in-scathing-criticism-of-american-gun-policy-following-mass-shooting[/url]
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48805914][url]http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/10/02/08/42/obama-praises-australia-in-scathing-criticism-of-american-gun-policy-following-mass-shooting[/url][/QUOTE] Isn't this the second time?
Obama using a mass shooting to push his agenda once again.
[QUOTE=Singo;48805930]Obama using a mass shooting to push his agenda once again.[/QUOTE] If the agenda is less gun deaths, it's a good agenda.
This conversation never goes well on Facepunch, can we just not talk about it? There are arguments and valid points on both sides but people treat it like the Germans and the French treated the trenches in World War 1.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48805944]If the agenda is less gun deaths, it's a good agenda.[/QUOTE] It takes 13 people dying for him to say something yet HUNDREDS of young black males die every year in his hometown and he doesn't give a shit. He's trying to politicize a tragedy to push his stupid fucking agendas.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;48805970]It takes 13 people dying for him to say something yet HUNDREDS of young black males die every year in his hometown and he doesn't give a shit. He's trying to politicize a tragedy to push his stupid fucking agendas.[/QUOTE] Finally someone on this website gets it.
[QUOTE=Singo;48805930]Obama using a mass shooting to push his agenda once again.[/QUOTE] That's like the absolute worst thing to say to help your case. Unless you're being sarcastic or something.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;48805970]It takes 13 people dying for him to say something yet HUNDREDS of young black males die every year in his hometown and he doesn't give a shit. He's trying to politicize a tragedy to push his stupid fucking agendas.[/QUOTE] this doesnt make any sense. they're fundamentally linked issues as you implicitly admit in this post but one of them is simply reported with disproportionate attention. every president, no matter who it is, has been expected to comment on school shootings. i dont understand why a lot of you expect shootings to be treated as acts of god when they happen so often
[QUOTE=-nesto-;48805970]It takes 13 people dying for him to say something yet HUNDREDS of young black males die every year in his hometown and he doesn't give a shit. He's trying to politicize a tragedy to push his stupid fucking agendas.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding? This is certainly not the first time he's said or done anything about gun violence.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48805965]This conversation never goes well on Facepunch, can we just not talk about it? There are arguments and valid points on both sides but people treat it like the Germans and the French treated the trenches in World War 1.[/QUOTE] I don't think the answer to gun deaths in the only developed country in the world which has a mass shooting every few weeks or months is to stick your head in the sand.
[QUOTE=cdr248;48805999]That's like the absolute worst thing to say to help your case. Unless you're being sarcastic or something.[/QUOTE] We could say he should care more about young males and females in low income groups that are killed in urban areas every year, we could say he should look into dealing with the drug war, we could talk about several things relating to education and poverty. It doesn't matter. He doesn't care about those things. All Obama cares about is feel-good points. If the fucker gave a damn about gun violence and the deaths it inflicts he'd talk practically daily about the deaths in and around major cities.
yeah sure joe obama's definitely gonna pop into the press room once every few hours to give everyone a detailed report of everyone shot in the country in the intervening time
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48806042]I don't think the answer to gun deaths in the only developed country in the world which has a mass shooting every few weeks or months is to stick your head in the sand.[/QUOTE] Its quite a pickle, on one hand you have the answer of regulation and background checks. But nothing can really be passed on it without people calling it out as Un-constitutional, and causing a massive shit storm for both congress and the Supreme Court in which nothing will be accomplished.
[QUOTE=Kommodore;48806071]yeah sure joe obama's definitely gonna pop into the press room once every few hours to give everyone a detailed report of everyone shot in the country in the intervening time[/QUOTE] He did it for Trayvon and Mike Brown
USA, introduce strict gun laws and a national buy-back already. It is so far past overdue.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;48806077]He did it for Trayvon and Mike Brown[/QUOTE] Because they are publicised issues that the public clearly cares about?
[QUOTE=-nesto-;48806077]He did it for Trayvon and Mike Brown[/QUOTE] because there was national outrage, universal attention being paid to it. the white house press room doesnt dictate what those things are? also this exact argument was being used the opposite way like 5 posts ago
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48806036]universal healthcare just wouldn't work in america, we have a different medicine culture here you see[/QUOTE] Yes going after 35% of the population and to remove 300 million guns is gonna be a cakewalk.
My first reaction when I heard this news was "ooooh boy here we go again"
[QUOTE=3noneTwo;48806086]USA, introduce strict gun laws and a national buy-back already. It is so far past overdue.[/QUOTE] Banning guns is sure to work! Just like banning drugs made them go away oh wait. How about overhaul the mental health system so these fucking wackos aren't living in society where they can harm the rest of us. Oh wait that would take effort might aswell go up to the podium and keep shoveling your dead end agenda for brownie points. Way easier.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48806096]Yes going after 35% of the population and to remove 300 million guns is gonna be a cakewalk.[/QUOTE] What Australia did IIRC was pay people to hand in their guns by a due date
[QUOTE=-nesto-;48806103]Banning guns is sure to work! Just like banning drugs made them go away oh wait.[/QUOTE] Basically this.
[QUOTE=TH3_L33T;48806110]Basically this.[/QUOTE] Yeah basically making it a little harder for these deranged mass shooters isn't worth the effort, maybe you don't get it but when you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger it kills them, how does that even relate to drugs?
[QUOTE=Lebofly;48806106]What Australia did IIRC was pay people to hand in their guns[/QUOTE] The result was people handing in homemade pipe guns built from $10 worth of parts
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48806105]i guess we should never try to do anything in life if it isn't easy[/QUOTE] But isn't banning guns the "easy" route? Surely trying to fix our shitty healthcare and faulty background checks is harder than banning everything?
[QUOTE=Lebofly;48806117]Yeah basically making it a little harder for these deranged mass shooters isn't worth the effort[/QUOTE] Because that worked fabulously in Norway.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48806125]and yet you guys seem to have much lower rates of gun violence, i wonder why[/QUOTE] They didn't have a problem with mass shootings before that though.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48806135]where there is like no gun violence at all?[/QUOTE] Aside from a guy who decided to go batshit crazy, bombed Oslo's government buildings, and proceeded to kill off about 69 teenagers and 8 people in Oslo.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48806133]Because that worked fabulously in Norway.[/QUOTE] Yeah last one was in 2011, let's take a look at USA now shall we, Mass shootings happen more than we change Prime ministers in Australia
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