• International Red Cross: Gaza blockade is illegal
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[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10306193.stm[/URL] [quote=BBC] BBC News, Geneva [B]Israel's blockade of Gaza is a clear violation of international humanitarian law, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has said. In a statement, the ICRC describes the situation in Gaza as dire, saying the only sustainable solution is a lifting of the blockade.[/B] It says Israel is punishing the whole civilian population of Gaza. It also urges Hamas movement to allow ICRC delegates to visit a detained Israel soldier Gilad Shalit. Key message The ICRC, a traditionally neutral organisation, paints a bleak picture of conditions in Gaza: hospitals short of equipment, power cuts lasting hours each day, drinking water unfit for consumption. [highlight] "The whole of Gaza's civilian population is being punished for acts for which they bear no responsibility. The closure therefore constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel's obligations under international humanitarian law," the agency said in the statement.[/highlight] And the ICRC blames differences between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority for some of Gaza's shortages. But the key message from the body which rarely publicly criticises governments is that Israel's blockade of Gaza must be lifted. That message is yet another indication of growing international concern over conditions in Gaza - just last week US President Barack Obama called the situation there unsustainable. [/quote] I'm sure most of us already knew this but it's nice to have some official confirmation from an extremely neutral organization.
and yet nothing will be done about it
alright, backing from the highest authority on aid
Way in before someone claims they are biased and can't be trusted.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22702054]Way in before someone claims they are biased and can't be trusted.[/QUOTE] Anyone who claims the Red Cross is biased should really stop posting. This is just a heads up.
*Eagerly awaits Burnemdowns arrival* Anyway isn't this what most of the world has been saying for quite a while? Just that now we have even more evidence than before.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22702134]*Eagerly awaits Burnemdowns arrival* Anyway isn't this what most of the world has been saying for quite a while? Just that now we have even more evidence than before.[/QUOTE] The blockade is only recognized as legal by USA, Israel and Egypt iirc.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22702089]Anyone who claims the Red Cross is biased should really stop posting. This is just a heads up.[/QUOTE] [I]1 Colon Multiplication Symbol Colon Agree Comma Colon List Colon[/I] Also, I have no idea how anyone who has their feet in the real world can refute the word of the UN, Red Cross and Amnesty.
Maybe they'll retract their words after Israel eases up on the blockade? Assuming and hoping it will actually do this soon.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22702151]The blockade is only recognized as legal by USA, Israel and Egypt iirc.[/QUOTE] I know, that's what I'm saying, any country with a modicum of care for foreign civilians doesn't agree with/recognise the blockade.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702198]Maybe they'll retract their words after Israel eases up on the blockade? Assuming and hoping it will actually do this soon.[/QUOTE] Don't you ever wonder if that was to only to give Israel a positive image after the flotilla incident? I mean, there were no details at all on what they mean "ease".
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702198]Maybe they'll retract their words after Israel eases up on the blockade? Assuming and hoping it will actually do this soon.[/QUOTE] As long as there's a wall and military personel surrounding gaza they won't retract shit.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702198]Maybe they'll retract their words after Israel eases up on the blockade? Assuming and hoping it will actually do this soon.[/QUOTE] Unless they completely fulfill the needs of the people in Gaza as far as aid goes, they probably won't. Even then, they won't retract their words, simply issue another statement lauding the progress. But hey, atleast you admit that it needs to be scaled back a good deal.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22702200]I know, that's what I'm saying, any country with a modicum of care for foreign civilians doesn't agree with/recognise the blockade.[/QUOTE] Actually, more accurate would be that any government with foreign policy hindering on supporting Israel will declare the blockade legal unless it is a politically blunderous move (for example, if evidence surfaced of Israeli Deathcamps or something akin to it). Same reason Russia's allies called the Georgian conflict both legal and necessary, and the reason that China continues supplying arms to the Sudanese government despite the 'Crisis in Darfur'.
Lol. "Illegal blockade" my ass.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22702224]As long as there's a wall and military personel surrounding gaza they won't retract shit.[/QUOTE] So it's illegal for Israel to protect its people? [QUOTE=starpluck;22702223]Don't you ever wonder if that was to only to give Israel a positive image after the flotilla incident? I mean, there were no details at all on what they mean "ease".[/QUOTE] Maybe, they said that a commission will be put up or something like this to check how they can ease up the blockade and let more supplies in. Unlike the Egyptians Israel isn't going to remove the blockade completely, which is completely reasonable given the circumstances.
ooo, the red cross, I'm so scared. I hope they don't throw HIV infected blood on me or bombard me with humanitarian aid supply's. How I fear the mighty armies and judgments of the red cross.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;22702227]Unless they completely fulfill the needs of the people in Gaza as far as aid goes, they probably won't. Even then, they won't retract their words, simply issue another statement lauding the progress. But hey, atleast you admit that it needs to be scaled back a good deal.[/QUOTE] I admitted this from the start.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702237]So it's illegal for Israel to protect its people? Maybe, they said that a commission will be put up or something like this to check how they can ease up the blockade and let more supplies in. Unlike the Egyptians Israel isn't going to remove the blockade completely, which is completely reasonable given the circumstances.[/QUOTE] A commission manned by whom? More Israeli government officials? [editline]07:20AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702244]I admitted this from the start.[/QUOTE] You argued that they were reasonable in restricting even basic building materials like concrete.
[QUOTE=Novistador;22702242]ooo, the red cross, I'm so scared. I hope they don't throw HIV infected blood on me or bombard me with humanitarian aid supply's. How I fear the mighty armies and judgments of the red cross.[/QUOTE] Hi. You are very unintelligent. I mean that from the bottom of my heart, you aren't a very smart human being. :sympathy: I love you anyways you big dummy. Hope you get over your condition.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702237]So it's illegal for Israel to protect its people? Maybe, they said that a commission will be put up or something like this to check how they can ease up the blockade and let more supplies in. Unlike the Egyptians Israel isn't going to remove the blockade completely, which is completely reasonable given the circumstances.[/QUOTE] Simple let food in. What the fuck are they gonna use food for to attack Israel, really? It would take a really dedicated man to try and isolate a possibly dangerous compound from any kind of food, and even then I don't think that's actually possible.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;22702247]A commission manned by whom? More Israeli government officials? [editline]07:20AM[/editline] You argued that they were reasonable in restricting even basic building materials like concrete.[/QUOTE] Yes, because the Hamas could use them to build more tunnels to smuggle more weapons. Concrete is actually allowed in if UN or humanitarian aid groups are the ones receiving it, only "private merchants" can't receive it. Edit: And yes, the commission will be manned by government officials, obviously.
except Isreal isn't protecting their people, they're making life unnecessarily hard for lots of innocent people who have no control of what Hamas does and the majority of them don't even support Hamas. and really? these Palestinians are living in ghettos, it's just like Warsaw
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702237]So it's illegal for Israel to protect its people? [/QUOTE] Yeah, read the OP.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702237]So it's illegal for Israel to protect its people? Maybe, they said that a commission will be put up or something like this to check how they can ease up the blockade and let more supplies in. Unlike the Egyptians Israel isn't going to remove the blockade completely, which is completely reasonable given the circumstances.[/QUOTE] Israel saying they will ease it without elabroating is equivelent to Hamas saying they will curb rockets. [editline]12:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Novistador;22702242]ooo, the red cross, I'm so scared. I hope they don't throw HIV infected blood on me or bombard me with humanitarian aid supply's. How I fear the mighty armies and judgments of the red cross.[/QUOTE] This guy has a valid point.
[QUOTE=JerryK;22702274]except Isreal isn't protecting their people, they're making life unnecessarily hard for lots of innocent people who have no control of what Hamas does and the majority of them don't even support Hamas. and really? these Palestinians are living in ghettos, it's just like Warsaw[/QUOTE] I don't see how can anyway claim that the wall surrounding Gaza and the military personnel on the borders aren't protecting Israel. Before the wall suicide bombers infiltrated into Israel easily and killed many, many innocent civilians.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702273]Yes, because the Hamas could use them to build more tunnels to smuggle more weapons. Concrete is actually allowed in if UN or humanitarian aid groups are the ones receiving it, only "private merchants" can't receive it.[/QUOTE] But Hamas doesn't need concrete on the inside for those tunnels, they do have people who are in Egypt working there. The only people that would actually need it are people who need it for houses and other such things. Also, a source for that claim?
[QUOTE=JerryK;22702274]except Isreal isn't protecting their people, they're making life unnecessarily hard for lots of innocent people who have no control of what Hamas does and the majority of them don't even support Hamas. and really? these Palestinians are living in ghettos, it's just like Warsaw[/QUOTE] This is prime example of great IHH, Hamas, pro-Hamas, pro-Arab PR guys. Seriously, the PR guys should be working for big corporates like Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft - imagine what would happened? They'll gain millions upon millions!
[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;22702310]This is prime example of great IHH, Hamas, pro-Hamas, pro-Arab PR guys. Seriously, the PR guys should be working for big corporates like Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft - imagine what would happened? They'll gain millions upon millions![/QUOTE] lol so now Hamas controls the IRC, too? Seriously, and I thought BurnEmDown could be dense.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22702296]I don't see how can anyway claim that the wall surrounding Gaza and the military personnel on the borders aren't protecting Israel. Before the wall suicide bombers infiltrated into Israel easily and killed many, many innocent civilians.[/QUOTE] those suicide bombers killed many innocent Palestinians too, and i don't see how anyone can claim that killing civilians, destroying their homes, and overall making them suffer is protecting your people
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