NSA after internal investigation, broke the law thousands of times PER YEAR with it's wiretapping/ma - Polidicks

[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-of-times-per-year-audit-finds/2013/08/15/3310e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story_1.html[/URL] [QUOTE] The National Security Agency has broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since Congress granted the agency broad new powers in 2008, according to an internal audit and other top-secret documents. Most of the infractions involve unauthorized surveillance of Americans or foreign intelligence targets in the United States, both of which are restricted by statute and executive order. They range from significant violations of law to typographical errors that resulted in unintended interception of U.S. e-mails and telephone calls. One in 10 incidents is attributed to a typographical error in which an analyst enters an incorrect query and retrieves data about U.S phone calls or e-mails. But the more serious lapses include unauthorized access to intercepted communications, the distribution of protected content and the use of automated systems without built-in safeguards to prevent unlawful surveillance. In what appears to be one of the most serious violations,[B] the NSA diverted large volumes of international data passing through fiber-optic cables in the United States into a repository where the material could be stored temporarily for processing and selection[/B].[/QUOTE] wtf

I still find it amusing that all this shit is just going to be ignored by the public thanks to the government throwing concerns onto other matters, and even if it does help the nation to a degree, they're going about the statements of it in a horrible way. "Oh, let's tell the public we made secret courts to silently approve self-administrated laws that justify all that we're doing in the name of national security!" It's like they're retarded yet simultaneously know they can get away with being so retarded.

Serves them right.

They aren't setting a very good example for other countries :v: Breaking their own laws, an' all... :v:

How does someone even punish the NSA for what they did Like, who would that person even be

[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;41874753]How does someone even punish the NSA for what they did Like, who would that person even be[/QUOTE] Federal courts.?

[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;41874753]How does someone even punish the NSA for what they did Like, who would that person even be[/QUOTE] the best person in america

uh oh it's time for another trayvon incident to keep us occupied from giving a shit obama do something

[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;41874753]How does someone even punish the NSA for what they did Like, who would that person even be[/QUOTE] Well it's supposed to be the courts, but the courts approved, sooo...???

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;41874639]They aren't setting a very good example for other countries :v: Breaking their own laws, an' all... :v:[/QUOTE] As far as I can tell, the only thing we Americans have got going for us that's different from everyone else is a head-start on the rest of the world, in terms of efficiently screwing the populace in secrecy. If our government comprised mostly of fat, old and greedy white men is malicious enough to pull this shit, chances are your government is too. As for the rest of the world, I'm sure they're not too far behind us either on the "royally fucking over their own citizenry in secret" trend. There's a reason it's an idea that's gotten so much leverage, and that reason is more control over everything the populace does, something almost every government wants for one reason or another. Thanks to technology, this horrifying ideal is more attainable than ever, so get ready to have some fun along with us Americans on the privacy rape-train. Everyone in the entire world's fucked, but us Americans get to be the beta-testers for this. And this is one beta you [B]do not[/B] want a key for.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;41874787]uh oh it's time for another trayvon incident to keep us occupied from giving a shit obama do something[/QUOTE] Don't worry, he already raised another SOPA to try and fuck people over by streaming unlicensed material. That should keep everyone busy while this happens...

[QUOTE=TurboSax;41874845]As far as I can tell, the only thing we Americans have got going for us that's different from everyone else is a head-start on the rest of the world, in terms of efficiently screwing the populace in secrecy. If our government comprised mostly of fat, old and greedy white men is malicious enough to pull this shit, chances are your government is too. As for the rest of the world, I'm sure they're not too far behind us either on the "royally fucking over their own citizenry in secret" trend. There's a reason it's an idea that's gotten so much leverage, and that reason is more control over everything the populace does, something almost every government wants for one reason or another. Thanks to technology, this horrifying ideal is more attainable than ever, so get ready to have some fun along with us Americans on the privacy rape-train. Everyone in the entire world's fucked, but us Americans get to be the beta-testers for this. And this is one beta you [B]do not[/B] want a key for.[/QUOTE] [t]http://gamersbench.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mirrors_edge_rooftop.jpg[/t] [i]They're watching you[/i] Seriously though, this is the way this is going.

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;41875020][t]http://gamersbench.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mirrors_edge_rooftop.jpg[/t] [i]They're watching you[/i] Seriously though, this is the way this is going.[/QUOTE] at least i have an excuse to learn parkour now

And nothing will change.

[QUOTE=TurboSax;41874845]As far as I can tell, the only thing we Americans have got going for us that's different from everyone else is a head-start on the rest of the world, in terms of efficiently screwing the populace in secrecy. If our government comprised mostly of fat, old and greedy white men is malicious enough to pull this shit, chances are your government is too. As for the rest of the world, I'm sure they're not too far behind us either on the "royally fucking over their own citizenry in secret" trend. There's a reason it's an idea that's gotten so much leverage, and that reason is more control over everything the populace does, something almost every government wants for one reason or another. Thanks to technology, this horrifying ideal is more attainable than ever, so get ready to have some fun along with us Americans on the privacy rape-train. Everyone in the entire world's fucked, but us Americans get to be the beta-testers for this. And this is one beta you [B]do not[/B] want a key for.[/QUOTE] How exactly is this different from ECHELON?

I bet Fisher did this. He did kill Lambert after all.

[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;41875077]And nothing will change.[/QUOTE] DO. NOT. HAVE. THAT. ATTITUDE. Seriously. That is the worst thing you could possibly have, I don't care how many little shits go "Pfft Conspiracy Theorist" when you are perfectly in the right to complain about the NSA breaking the law. Now fucking go out there. Spread the word. Protest. Whatever is possible while still being legal.

[QUOTE=TurboSax;41874845]As far as I can tell, the only thing we Americans have got going for us that's different from everyone else is a head-start on the rest of the world, in terms of efficiently screwing the populace in secrecy. If our government comprised mostly of fat, old and greedy white men is malicious enough to pull this shit, chances are your government is too. As for the rest of the world, I'm sure they're not too far behind us either on the "royally fucking over their own citizenry in secret" trend. There's a reason it's an idea that's gotten so much leverage, and that reason is more control over everything the populace does, something almost every government wants for one reason or another. Thanks to technology, this horrifying ideal is more attainable than ever, so get ready to have some fun along with us Americans on the privacy rape-train. Everyone in the entire world's fucked, but us Americans get to be the beta-testers for this. And this is one beta you [B]do not[/B] want a key for.[/QUOTE] You're making me cry man

[QUOTE=RikohZX;41874614]I still find it amusing that all this shit is just going to be ignored by the public thanks to the government throwing concerns onto other matters, and even if it does help the nation to a degree, they're going about the statements of it in a horrible way. "Oh, let's tell the public we made secret courts to silently approve self-administrated laws that justify all that we're doing in the name of national security!" It's like they're retarded yet simultaneously know they can get away with being so retarded.[/QUOTE] The thing is though, a lot of people see it as "I have nothing to hide" so they don't mind the government seeing their email or whatever. It's not a huge deal to them, they would rather trade some privacy for their own security. Not a hard thing to understand for me honestly, I don't exactly agree with it, but why would someone who legitimately has nothing to hide want to oppose this? To them, it's just keeping them safer. Giving people reasons to care is the problem here, I think.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;41875421]The thing is though, a lot of people see it as "I have nothing to hide" so they don't mind the government seeing their email or whatever. It's not a huge deal to them, they would rather trade some privacy for their own security. Not a hard thing to understand for me honestly, I don't exactly agree with it, but why would someone who legitimately has nothing to hide want to oppose this? To them, it's just keeping them safer. Giving people reasons to care is the problem here, I think.[/QUOTE] To paraphrase Ben Franklin: "Something something if you give up privacy for security you're a moron who shouldn't have either."

[QUOTE=TurboSax;41875586]To paraphrase Ben Franklin: "Something something if you give up privacy for security you're a moron who shouldn't have either."[/QUOTE] They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

[QUOTE=TurboSax;41875586]To paraphrase Ben Franklin: "Something something if you give up privacy for security you're a moron who shouldn't have either."[/QUOTE] If you are going to quote, do it right.

Well if it keeps our Wal Mart parking lots from turning into Baghdad markets, who cares. It's not like the NSA suddenly started doing it a few years ago. It's every government, since the beginning of goverment. Yeah I suppose it would be nice if the government would keep their noses a bit further away, but at the same time, I don't really give a shit. This isn't something worth being upset about Hell the Soft Drink Ban is more harmful of a precedent than this is. If they then decide that they can't or won't ban it, they want to tax it instead. Tax soft drinks. Which are cheap because the government gives our money to farmers to over produce what's put in Soft Drinks. Just stop giving the farmers so much rather than slap on more taxes on us ya fuckwits. The people in power are the problem, not the power itself. They live lavish lives, they work barely at all. There was even a story about how they haven't worked a full week in who the fuck knows when. They get these huge gaps in the calendar as time off. They impose their personal beliefs in any laws they want to pass. All on our dime. They aren't public servants like they're supposed to be, they're fucking rulers. I couldn't give a toss about what the NSA does. You think they have the capability to personally monitor 300 million people and the countless other billions on the planet? Congress is the real problem and threat to our so called liberty

[QUOTE=TheTalon;41875717]Well if it keeps our Wal Mart parking lots from turning into Baghdad markets, who cares. It's not like the NSA suddenly started doing it a few years ago. It's every government, since the beginning of goverment. Yeah I suppose it would be nice if the government would keep their noses a bit further away, but at the same time, I don't really give a shit. This isn't something worth being upset about Hell the Soft Drink Ban is more harmful of a precedent than this is. If they then decide that they can't or won't ban it, they want to tax it instead. Tax soft drinks. Which are cheap because the government gives our money to farmers to over produce what's put in Soft Drinks. Just stop giving the farmers so much rather than slap on more taxes on us ya fuckwits. The people in power are the problem, not the power itself. They live lavish lives, they work barely at all. There was even a story about how they haven't worked a full week in who the fuck knows when. They get these huge gaps in the calendar as time off. They impose their personal beliefs in any laws they want to pass. All on our dime. They aren't public servants like they're supposed to be, they're fucking rulers. I couldn't give a toss about what the NSA does. You think they have the capability to personally monitor 300 million people and the countless other billions on the planet? Congress is the real problem and threat to our so called liberty[/QUOTE] The NSA broke the law thousands of times and refused to report it to the authorities that are supposed to keep the NSA in line. How is this not an issue.

The 'use of automated systems' doesn't concern me. I just don't care. A computer isn't gossiping about my personal life. It's not like they also have a million cubicles with people reading the 300 [b]BILLION[/b] messages sent between people [b]PER DAY[/b], either (And this is ONLY E-mails). What the NSA is doing and what people think the NSA are doing is completely different and not even as important of an issue as say, Police getting wrong addresses on their warrants and ending up shooting the homeowner because he was defending against a forced entry I just think it's not as high on the 'Threat to Liberty' list as other, smaller shit. I think the TSA are worse. New Yorks attempt to ban sugary drinks is worse. Zero Tolerance policies in school is worse. Banks being corrupt as fuck, and then being given our money because they messed up, only to make even MORE money off the money they were given...

Honestly, who cares if they are watching me watch porn. *continues watching porn*

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;41875630]They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.[/QUOTE] I thought it ended in "deserve neither and lose both" or is that just a modification by some other dude that stuck?

As much as I am up for freedom of speech and all that, getting pissed off about this is [B]NOT[/B] the smartest thing to do. Every day, we have to worry about someone blowing something up, killing you as your sitting at the computer, or worse. Despite 'popular' belief, having these programs in place helps; if you have nothing to hide, you will be safe. You are a good citizen who enjoys many things, and doesn't want to kill another. If you do got things to hide, they will be suspicious, and they will monitor you to keep others safe. There will be mistakes; we human beings are not perfect. And its not like we didn't know this happen, as the smart person would be aware and will know that if there is an Internet connection, someone will be watching. My mother always told me to be cautious about posting things online, and I know from common knowledge and education that the government is watching for a good reason. Of course with this leak, everyone is up in arms about something that shouldn't be the focus of everyone. In a world that was peaceful, we wouldn't need things like the NSA and other surveillance programs, not worrying about those who want to destroy for many reasons. Sadly, we don't live in a world like that; we live in a world born from war itself, where war and violence spawns from the darkest depths of the human mind, and you have no idea who will be the one person to stab you in the heart. Even though people here on the forums believe that NSA is just made to violate the rights of many, just imagine what would happen without such programs, or if they were completely transparent. More terrorist attacks would happen if such people knew they were always being observed, switching to alternative methods in order to plot their acts of terror. Even now with the leaks, it will just make our lives harder because something decided to reveal this surveillance program, whether they were caring about the civilians or not. And before anyone rates, honestly, think about it. What would happen if these surveillance programs weren't doing what they did or were more transparent, with knowledge that there are people who want to harm others?

[QUOTE=deadoon;41875713]If you are going to quote, do it right.[/QUOTE] Terribly sorry if I offended you, I just felt like being stupid for once.

[QUOTE=Neo222;41876121]Despite 'popular' belief, having these programs in place helps; if you have nothing to hide, you will be safe. You are a good citizen who enjoys many things, and doesn't want to kill another. If you do got things to hide, they will be suspicious, and they will monitor you to keep others safe.[/QUOTE] this is not a good thing