[quote]We all know the pop music industry can be dog-eat-dog, but could Darwin’s theory of “survival of the fittest” actually create the next pop hit? A novel experiment is attempting to compose popular hits by letting computer-generated music clips “evolve” into music that listeners like.
You might be familiar with Pandora, the online music streaming service that uses listeners’ like/dislike ratings to generate personalized radio programming. In its ambitious “Music Genome Project,” Pandora seeks to identify the attributes that distinguish the “DNA” of musical styles. With its knowledge of the “family trees” of artists and genres, Pandora uses the preference data its users provide to recommend music for each particular listener.
DarwinTunes uses a similar “DNA” approach to understanding why we like music—and pushes it further by letting new music evolve through the feedback loop. DarwinTunes throws computer-generated musical clips into a simulated environment in which user popularity mimics the force of natural selection.
DarwinTunes starts out with the musical equivalent of primordial bacteria: short, computer-generated, grating, ugly sound sequences. These primitive specimens are turned loose in a program that generates random variations on each sequence of audio wave forms. Then these audio sequences go out into the wild, to kill or be killed: The researchers had more than 6,000 study participants listen to the diverse audio loops and rate how much they liked each on a five-point scale.
Audio sequences that are highly rated go on to further levels of mutation, and even “mate” with other popular audio loops to create next-generation clips. Unpopular sound bytes die off.
The end products (after some 500 generations) are congenial little tunes that are not far from the opening bars of an electronic-style pop song. Click here to listen to one of these musical creatures at 30 distinct stages of its evolution.
The research team, led by U.K. computational biologists, hopes to expand the experiment to include millions of listeners sampling the tracks. Researchers predict that a greater-scale version of the same project could produce music comparable in quality to today’s human-composed electronic dance music. A paper explaining their research is published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Interestingly, the study’s authors note, DarwinTunes’ model of “pop evolution” may not be that novel after all. Human culture, they point out, is the result of a millennia-long, process of evolution—with people copying and “mutating” each other’s cultural artifacts. DarwinTunes merely provides a micro-sized, sped-up, controlled version of the natural selection process of cultural evolution.[/quote]
[url]http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/06/24/survival-of-the-catchiest-how-music-evolves/[/url]
:v:
things get really interesting once it hits the 2000s. dissonances are introduced and subsequently smoothed out
And that's how dubstep was born
"led by U.K. computational biologists"
i didn't even know that was a thing
still sounds interesting, wonder if that can account for all the shit music we have today..
Mind blown, I wonder how it would work if you did this with a colour pallete and created an image?
Personally, the evolution of music went downhill after the 70s and 80s.
music best era 1940-1980
never forget good music
[QUOTE=overpain;36480254]And that's how dubstep was born[/QUOTE]
A random mutation that lived for a year or two then went extinct.
Guys, there's been shit music in pretty much every era.
And there's still "good" music being made today (good, as in whatever you like to listen to).
[QUOTE=Zarjk;36481343]music best era 1940-1980
never forget good music[/QUOTE]
with some execptions?
there as been SOME good music the following years..
fucking ninja'd by LarparNar
RIP music etc etc.
Seriously guys?
Guys, there's a reason why you can find so much great music from the eighties and before.
Because the shit stuff has been completely discarded and forgotten. We haven't quite reached that stage yet for current music.
Besides, immediately condemning twenty years of music is incredibly stupid.
I want those music sex tapes
[QUOTE=Zarjk;36481343]music best era 1940-1980
never forget good music[/QUOTE]
You don't listen to anything between 1940 and 1960.
Name one thing.
[editline]25th June 2012[/editline]
I really don't think a pop tune matters any more imo. Not that the style is irrelevant, but in general there's a LOT more going on for it to be the overpowering stand on the population as it once was.
The 80s pop had such a vast control over society that it was able to characterise itself. Amazing.
[QUOTE=AK'z;36481683]You don't listen to anything between 1940 and 1960.
Name one thing.
[editline]25th June 2012[/editline]
I really don't think a pop tune matters any more imo. Not that the style is irrelevant, but in general there's a LOT more going on for it to be the overpowering stand on the population as it once was.
The 80s pop had such a vast control over society that it was able to characterise itself. Amazing.[/QUOTE]
The ink spots
Tho I like various music from various ages
I wish Jazz had not been shoved to the side. Americas only original born music and most don't even know what jazz really is.
Also, more people should have some knowledge in Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven. Some people think the Ode to Joy is that one melody and is a 1 minute song.
Thinking during the times, there will be some racial examples:
40s-60s:
Blacks had the likes of James Brown and Nat King Cole
Whites had Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presley
after then, bands started to take shape of pop:
Beatles and Beach Boys for whites.
Motown groups like Four Tops and Temptations for blacks.
Of course we had solo things pull through but it wasn't until 1970 that pop became balanced.
70s were incredibly diverse, music exploded pretty much.
Blacks and whites no longer were segregated in charts.
Pretty much everyone loved what was going on in pop. Unlike in the 60s.
Stevie Wonder, David Bowie, Elton John, bands like Pink Floyd, Bee Gees, Black Sabbath, all clustered into one another.
The 80s came round and it slowed down in terms of confusing styles.
More of the same atmosphere and vibes circles pop.
However things like dance music and hip hop had risen.
By the 90s, there was still expansion with indie and club music coming along. But Pop was still influenced heavily by 80s marketing.
By 2000s nobody really cared, it was slightly "post 90s" and r&b tried to expand but really just milked the pot.
Nowadays, it's a lot more club oriented, just like in the 90s, with literally no ballads hitting the charts.
Last time I remember a soft rock track hitting top, was James Blunt.
Now that's still like less than a percent of what's happening.
I've always been a rock/metal fan, and will continue to be one. Some of the new stuff is okay, a lot of it is crap, but the same could be said about other forms of music.
And remember: "Man music was waaay better before dubstep!"
Dubstep is kind of new, so you're getting the breakthemold artists.
[QUOTE=redBadger;36481853]I wish Jazz had not been shoved to the side. Americas only original born music and most don't even know what jazz really is.
Also, more people should have some knowledge in Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven. Some people think the Ode to Joy is that one melody and is a 1 minute song.[/QUOTE]
Well, there's nothing really wrong with people not immediately taking to jazz or classical.
It's just one of those things. It happens more with Hip Hop and Metal imo, but then again those have grown to ridiculously large proportions over the years.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36482077]I've always been a rock/metal fan, and will continue to be one. Some of the new stuff is okay, a lot of it is crap, but the same could be said about other forms of music.
And remember: "Man music was waaay better before dubstep!"
Dubstep is kind of new, so you're getting the breakthemold artists.[/QUOTE]
Same thing happened with Jazz. It was devil music.
[QUOTE=redBadger;36482291]Same thing happened with Jazz. It was devil music.[/QUOTE]
also blues
[QUOTE=Reds;36481464]Guys, there's a reason why you can find so much great music from the eighties and before.
Because the shit stuff has been completely discarded and forgotten. We haven't quite reached that stage yet for current music.
Besides, immediately condemning twenty years of music is incredibly stupid.[/QUOTE]
So basically in 30-40 years, we'll look back on the 2000s and only hear 5, maybe 6 songs from that era because all the bad ones were forgotten :v:
Sad that all the generic, shit pop and other crap music gets so much attention while there are so many great bands that deserve more publicity.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36482410]So basically in 30-40 years, we'll look back on the 2000s and only hear 5, maybe 6 songs from that era because all the bad ones were forgotten :v:[/QUOTE]
If you listen to modern music outside the radio then maybe you'd see how many good songs are made today. The pop songs represent less than a thousandth of a percentage of all songs that are made.
Besides, there are popular songs that are good but aren't seen by you as "good music" as you have this nostalgic mentality that "back in the days everything was better". In 20-30 years you will tell your kids about the great songs of our day and instead talk trash about the modern music of that time. It is how it has always been and will always be.
Fact is, there is no such thing as "good music" and "bad music", only different kinds of music, some that you might like and some that you don't.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;36483143]
Fact is, there is no such thing as "good music" and "bad music", only different kinds of music, some that you might like and some that you don't.[/QUOTE]
I had no clue that people liked other things to me. You've opened my mind. :)
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I'm thinking to do some sort of consensus, on opinions. Will take time.
But what about caveman music? I wonder what it sounds like.
[QUOTE=Zarjk;36481343]music best era 1940-1980
never forget good music[/QUOTE]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Beethoven.jpg/220px-Beethoven.jpg[/img]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Johann_Sebastian_Bach.jpg/220px-Johann_Sebastian_Bach.jpg[/img]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Haendel.jpg/220px-Haendel.jpg[/img]
ok
[QUOTE=shian;36483314]But what about caveman music? I wonder what it sounds like.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxB4GqYM0T4[/media]
Hell, in the beginning, Rock-N-Roll was considered "nigger tunes" in some parts of the deep south.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36483510]Hell, in the beginning, Rock-N-Roll was considered "nigger tunes" in some parts of the deep south.[/QUOTE]
might sound ridiculous to most people, but this is correct.
Chuck Berry and Little Richard opened the entire game wide open. Music played a HUGE role in the acceptance of racial differences in western society.
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