[QUOTE]Reporting from Baltimore—
The FBI is moving to change the federal definition of rape for the first time in 80 years, which authorities and women's advocacy groups hope will lead to improved tracking of such crimes and an attitude shift among investigators.
Critics have maintained that the current definition is archaic, too narrow, and leaves crimes uncounted in police statistics, resulting in fewer resources for victims and law enforcement.
A subcommittee of the Criminal Justice Information Service of the FBI plans to take up the task at an Oct. 18 meeting in Baltimore. Its recommendations will go to an advisory board and then to FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III for approval.
Greg Scarbro, the FBI's unit chief for the Uniform Crime Report, said the agency had been discussing revisions since last year.
"From the highest levels of the FBI, there's an understanding that this needs to change," he said. "We just need to make sure it happens in the right way."
Since 1927, rape has been defined as forcible male penile penetration of a female — which excludes cases involving oral and anal penetration, cases in which the victims were drugged or under the influence of alcohol, and male victims.
"In order for the public to combat violence in our communities, we need to know where it exists and what it looks like," said Carol Tracy, director of the Women's Law Project, which helped spur reform in Philadelphia a decade ago and has taken a leading role in the push to update the FBI's definition.
The New York Times first reported on Thursday the potential for change after police chiefs, sex crime investigators, federal officials and advocates convened in Washington to discuss the limitations of the federal definition and the wider issue of local police departments not adequately investigating rapes.
According to statistics released by the FBI in September, there were 84,767 sexual assaults nationwide last year, 5% fewer than in 2009. Sexual assaults have long been among the most underreported crimes, with an estimated 80% of assaults not referred to police, experts say.
"We know that data drives the allocation of resources," Tracy said. "The undercounting of serious sex crimes that has been taking place for the last 80 years probably means that the resources that law enforcement should have to fight sex crimes [are] not adequate."
Scarbro said any change would be an unfunded directive, and the FBI wants to make sure that state, local and tribal police agencies understand the changes and support them. "We're hoping that at our Oct. 18 meeting we come out with a sound definition … and do so in a fashion that lessens the impact on resources at the federal, state, local and tribal level," he said. "I think we're going to be successful at that — it's just going to take some work."[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rape-fbi-20111001,0,5720055.story"]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rape-fbi-20111001,0,5720055.story[/URL]
Good
But it's not rape if it's girl on guy, that's actually hot. :downs:
On a serious note, sounds pretty good to me they're getting with the times.
Can't rape someone under the influence? Doesn't that make 'date rape drugs' paradoxical?
This hits close to home. I have had many friends that suffer today because of this.
Also really close because a neighborhood apartment complex nearby had a rapist loose and attacked a woman in the gym during night hours.
[QUOTE=CoolHandLuke;32584008]Since 1927, rape has been defined as forcible male penile penetration of a female — which excludes cases involving oral and anal penetration[/QUOTE]
I might be missing something here, but I'm pretty sure that it doesn't say specifically vaginal penetration anywhere in that definition.
I only wish this definition had been rectified sooner.
I was forced sit and watch in anguish as the man who drugged and raped my loved one was let off by policemen because she couldn't remember anything had happened. The man who did it was still holding the drinks he'd put rohypnol in.
Now we have to wait an indeterminate amount of time for a detective to figure out what we know already happened. It's very clear that "she was asking for it" is a mindset even police officers have adopted.
Disgusting.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;32584039]But it's not rape if it's girl on guy, that's actually hot. :downs:
On a serious note, sounds pretty good to me they're getting with the times.[/QUOTE]
What if the girl is some fat ugly chick like 99% of the girl on guy rape cases.
[QUOTE=R1Z3;32584668]What if the girl is some fat ugly chick like 99% of the girl on guy rape cases.[/QUOTE]
do you not see the :downs: or
Better fill your anal rape quotas before it's too late.
FYI groping and shit counts as sexual assault too.
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;32584583]I only wish this definition had been rectified sooner.
I was forced sit and watch in anguish as the man who drugged and raped my loved one was let off by policemen because she couldn't remember anything had happened. The man who did it was still holding the drinks he'd put rohypnol in.
Now we have to wait an indeterminate amount of time for a detective to figure out what we know already happened. It's very clear that "she was asking for it" is a mindset even police officers have adopted.
Disgusting.[/QUOTE]For a second I thought you were forced to watch the rape, but that's still pretty terrible.
That actually sounds kinda creepy.
"We will [B]REDEFINE[/B] rape :q:"
at first when I read this I thought this was referring to the whole "forcible rape" thing the republicans kept perpetuating a while back.
got me scared as hell.
The old definition makes it impossible by law for a female to rape a male.
I always despised how a woman can go to someone in law and say "OMG I was raped, do something about" when they were just a slut who slept with everyone.
About.
Fucking.
Time.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585548]I always despised how a woman can go to someone in law and say "OMG I was raped, do something about" when they were just a slut who slept with everyone.[/QUOTE]
I've never heard ANYTHING of the like. Not even in the news.
What an odd thing to get worked up about.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585548]I always despised how a woman can go to someone in law and say "OMG I was raped, do something about" when they were just a slut who slept with everyone.[/QUOTE]
Seems more like the reverse; supposedly, although I don't know if it's entirely true or not, people who are raped but don't have much to show for it are simply shrugged off as whores/sluts by the force.
Can someone confirm or disprove that?
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585548]I always despised how a woman can go to someone in law and say "OMG I was raped, do something about" when they were just a slut who slept with everyone.[/QUOTE]
nice stereotype. do you know of anyone this ever happened to?
also if a girl wants to sleep with a bunch of people then it's her choice and calling her a slut is awful of you.
you do know that a lot of the time rape cases actually go unreported because girls are too embarassed and ashamed, right?
i dont understand how people can not report it when they get raped
dont they understand that theyre putting other people in danger?
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;32585571]I've never heard ANYTHING of the like. Not even in the news.
What an odd thing to get worked up about.[/QUOTE]Then watch Wild Things, the movie.
[QUOTE=Clio;32585628]i dont understand how people can not report it when they get raped
dont they understand that theyre putting other people in danger?[/QUOTE]
they're embarrassed and ashamed. it's physically and psychologically traumatizing and they don't know what to do. society discourages it in many cases IE at a party and the person was under the influence and did not consent
[editline]2nd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585637]Then watch Wild Things, the movie.[/QUOTE]
did you just cite a movie
you are a sperg
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585548]I always despised how a woman can go to someone in law and say "OMG I was raped, do something about" when they were just a slut who slept with everyone.[/QUOTE]
wow you're sexist.
I had no idea the definition was so narrow. That can't mean that cases of on-male rape, or anal rape, etc, have gone unpunished, can it?
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32585645]they're embarrassed and ashamed. it's physically and psychologically traumatizing and they don't know what to do. society discourages it in many cases IE at a party and the person was under the influence and did not consent[/QUOTE]
This. Embarrassment and shame, as well as
-shock / disbelief
-guilt
-confusion
-threats
-the fact that most rapes are committed by someone the victim already knew, not by strangers, which causes a whole load of other social problems
-fear or feeling that they won't be believed anyway
-fear of rape kits and / or police interrogating you about every single thing you've done, such as clothing, drinking, flirting, etc. to find some way to make you feel guilty
(the rape kit part: in order for it not to be thrown out, you can't eat, you can't shower, you can't go to the bathroom, you have to get checked all over the place, including the place you were just violated)
I'm sure there's something I'm missing.
But it's not as simple as "just go tell the police". It just makes it worse if you guilt them into doing it.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32585645]
did you just cite a movie
you are a sperg[/QUOTE]
Do you want to watch a documentary or short youtube? Nobody is going to be more astounded by a doc. than a movie.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;32585679]Do you want to watch a documentary or short youtube? Nobody is going to be more astounded by a doc. than a movie.[/QUOTE]
Well, if we're accepting entertainment as evidence, then I counter with: the Maxx series of MTV shorts.
[QUOTE=Last or First;32585713]Well, if we're accepting entertainment as evidence, then I counter with: the Maxx series of MTV shorts.[/QUOTE]It's shown for an example. Not the true definition of how a movie presents its self. Unless you seen movies like Tron and think "Wow that must be how it is to be a programmer!".
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