My pocketknife is "tactical"? - General

[u]Note:[/u] "pocketknife" is not a spelling error, that's how you actually spell it but you can spell it as "pocket knife". Over a year ago I received a pocketknife as a birthday present, I've been carrying and using it around since then. [b]Before you start saying something such as "oh I had a pocketknife since I was 10", there's legal issues in my county (NOT COUNT[u]R[/u]Y) for carrying them under the age of 18. I live in Florida of the United States of America.[/b] [IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/200p7yp.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/24o7cl1.jpg[/IMG] [highlight]The Story[/highlight] Last week, my younger cousin asked me to take him to see [u]Shrek: the Final Chapter[/u] over the phone. I was able to get off early since I worked for my parents with "under the table" pay. We arrived at the movie theater to see that the local police had set up a checkpoint at the entrance. At first it didn't seem to be a big deal; my hands were raised, my armpits patted, then my waist, my pockets, and then... "Out of the line, you're coming with me." "What?" I thought to myself as my hands were tied with plastic handcuffs. At the station, the police officer told me that I was carrying an illegal "tactical" pocketknife and he was waiting for the supervisor. [b]Yes I did forget to leave my knife in the car before heading to the movie theater entrance, now please stop your comments suggesting that I intentionally brought it there.[/b] But what does he mean by "tactical"? Is the blade longer than my palm? Nope, it's about 3 inches length and is quite shorter than my palm. [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/4g0qjl.jpg[/IMG] Does it use an "automatic" mechanism? Nope, it uses the Walker Linerlock, it's a manual locking system where a lockbar (leaf spring) snaps the blade in place when it's completely unfolded. To fold back the blade, the lockbar must first be pushed back into the handle. [IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/ve55kk.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/10xbl89.jpg[/IMG] What made my pocketknife "tactical" is the serrated part of the edge. What is a serrated edge? Take a look. [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/1zejvom.jpg[/IMG] I get in custody just because my little knife has some serration just like military-style knives? Is my 3-incher even comparable to a 8-incher like this? [IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/11iij40.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://www.gungfu.com/htm-knives/western-knives/knives-western-knives-tactical-and-military-united-cutlery-pathfinder-tactical.htm[/url] Bullshit. Thirty minutes later, the supervisor came in and handed me a piece of paper. It was a form of misconduct (as in police misconduct), this means I don’t get punished in any way in exchange to not suing either the department or the officer. The police officer was ordered to take me and my cousin back to the movie theater. I was handed back my knife and he said to me “don’t bring that thing again.” [highlight]A bit of Floridian weapon laws[/highlight] [quote=Florida Statutes, 2009 - Definitions (Chapter 790.001)](13) "Weapon" means any dirk, knife, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon [b]except a firearm or a common pocketknife[/b], plastic knife, or blunt-bladed table knife.[/quote] [url]http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0790/ch0790.htm[/url] [quote=Florida Statutes, 2009 - Possessing or discharging weapons or firearms at a school-sponsored event or on school property prohibited; penalties; exceptions. (790.115)](1) A person who exhibits any sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), [b]including a razor blade, box cutter, or common pocketknife[/b], except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, in the presence of one or more persons in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner and not in lawful self-defense, at a school-sponsored event or on the grounds or facilities of any school, school bus, or school bus stop, or within 1,000 feet of the real property that comprises a public or private elementary school, middle school, or secondary school, during school hours or during the time of a sanctioned school activity, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. This subsection does not apply to the exhibition of a firearm or weapon on private real property within 1,000 feet of a school by the owner of such property or by a person whose presence on such property has been authorized, licensed, or invited by the owner. [/quote] [quote=Florida Statutes, 2009 - Furnishing weapons to minors under 18 years of age or persons of unsound mind and furnishing firearms to minors under 18 years of age prohibited. (790.17)](1) A person who sells, hires, barters, lends, transfers, or gives any minor under 18 years of age any dirk, electric weapon or device, or other weapon, [b]other than an ordinary pocketknife[/b], without permission of the minor's parent or guardian, or sells, hires, barters, lends, transfers, or gives to any person of unsound mind an electric weapon or device or any dangerous weapon, other than an ordinary pocketknife, commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. [/quote] 1. I heard that blade length is dependent in which county (again not count[u]r[/u]y) you live in, it seems that pocketknives can't have blades over 4 inches. 2. Unfortunately I have to leave my pocketknife in my car since I attend a state university. 3. Despite the legality of handing pocketknives to minors under the age of 18, I've seen parents getting in trouble when their children are caught with them. [highlight]Why am I carrying a pocketknife anyways?[/highlight] I'm not a murderer nor I plan to be. I'm a seasonal hunter, a fisher, and a laborer. I see my pocketknife as a tool. I use it to gut rabbits, turtle and fish and to open envelopes and packages. [b]For hunting and fishing purposes, I use my pocketknife to extract the meat. I mainly use the serrated part to shave off the scales of a fish.[/b] Yes I have used my pocketknife twice as a self-defense weapons against muggers, both muggers did chase me but my pocketknife was enough of a deterrent to keep them away until I got into safety. [highlight]Are my pictures legitimate and so is my story?[/highlight] Yes but it's up to you to believe in my story or not. [IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/m742o9.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/rjio0k.jpg[/IMG] [highlight]Facepunchian points[/highlight] [QUOTE=oyotnas;22228054]You dont ned a licence to carry a pocket knife. Are you implying that boy scouts should be arrested for not having a licence to carry a knife. No one has ever needed a licence to own a knife. And it is called self defense.[/QUOTE] Self-defense was not on my mind when I first got my pocketknife, as I mentioned before I have used it to keep two muggers away. [QUOTE=JeffAndersen;22228102]Being in the military I have all kinds of uses for a knife.. so I carry mine on me at all times. Cutting rope (I tie stuff down in my truck), cutting strings (why on earth would I carry a scissor or something to get rid of them when a knife has many more purposes), opening stupid fucking plastic containers, and other various uses. But I made sure mine was within the laws of the area.. if not it's not lie I'm going to pull it out. Next time you see the officer be like "Sir, I currently have my pocket knife on me and it's within the laws of this county and state" before he even finds it. They're gonna (hopefully) respect you more since you came out with it instead of (unintentionally) making it look like you didn't want them to find it. I wish I could keep that knife you posted though in my boots. Would be interesting..[/QUOTE] As far as I hear, military knives are used mainly as tools and almost never a weapon. I did made sure my knife was within the legal limits, the weapon laws are terribly vague on pocketknives and I get different answers from police officers. Keeping a knife I posted in your boots? Did you own a knife like mines or do you want my knife? I'm not gonna hand it to you! [QUOTE=QuadCoreGman;22228103]Almost everything is a stabbing weapon with enough force and a suitably large target.[/QUOTE] I think common things are more likely to have the potential to be a jabbing weapon than a stabbing one, jabbing as in forced poking. [QUOTE=SamPerson123;22228139]Does the serration make cuts from it worse? As far as I know, a serrated edge makes the knife act more like a saw and be better at sawing hard materials. Unless you use a sawing motion, which you probably wouldn't do while attacking someone, I don't think you could cut as bad with a serrated edge.[/QUOTE] Serrated blades do not make clean cuts and they get stuck in everything, it's true that they are in fact for use for small sawing-type jobs. [QUOTE=Sonydude;22228462]Now he had previously stated that he uses this knife to skin animals and perform other utility functions. Satisfying #1. It has also been stated that Smith and Wesson also make culinary knives. Sharp pointed ends are also used if puncturing something, maybe a thick walled bag of sand. Satisfying #2. [b]Weapons are tools. Tools may not always be weapons.[/b][/QUOTE] I never thought about weapons and tools that way, I do agree. [QUOTE=lorden;22231220]From what the OP said it seems like the theater just got a few police officers to chill at the entrance and search people, it might have been a crowded night and they thought the police would help keep people in line, theaters in my area will do that if they expect a huge audience for a film generally. Also, I used to live in Florida, and the law there is very convoluted. If you just read the law itself, it says that all weapons (including knives) require a CCL if you're carrying it in your pocket, but "common pocketknives" aren't classified as weapons by the definitions. I used to carry around a butterfly knife in Florida and I asked an officer who said it was fine and the other said some bullshit about blade length and serration and another said any knife was just plain illegal. It just depends on your area, where I lived the cops were somewhat nice, except for the short cops, they would arrest you if you dropped a penny out of a hole in your pocket for a littering violation. I guess they're angry that everybody is taller than them so they take it out on us. :geno:[/QUOTE] I couldn't have said it better. [QUOTE=GunFox;22232858]Why? It isn't a weapon any more than my flashlight. My government has slated them as non-weapons in the law books because it realizes that they are tools. And yes, I've used my knife inside a movie theater. Fuck you gummy worms and your fucking impossible packaging making a terrible racket while I try to gain access to your gooey insides. Mmmm gummy worms. EDIT: [b]And to everyone talking about the serrated edge: YOU DO NOT WANT SERRATED EDGES ON A FIGHTING KNIFE. Serrations get caught on flesh or bone and can dislodge the knife from your grip. As menacing as they may appear, serrated edges make a knife less useful in a fight.[/b][/QUOTE] As I mentioned before, serrated edges seem to get stuck in everything if you simply chop in. The serration on my knife allows me to use it as a mini-saw to cut through tougher material, such as the bone joints of an European rabbit.

Reminds me of a guy at my work who got arrested on the way to work for having a safety boxcutter for opening boxes.

You expected shit to go down at a showing of Shrek? It's not like you have to skin a fish in there. Of course when they found a knife, they pulled you out of line. Your going into a place with children.

Another case of police abusing their power, the policeman should bloody know what weapons are legal and what aren't legal.

[QUOTE=BagMinge101;22227077]You expected shit to go down at a showing of Shrek? It's not like you have to skin a fish in there. Of course when they found a knife, they pulled you out of line. Your going into a place with children.[/QUOTE] I just got out of work and I forgot the knife was still in my pocket, I do have to open up the boxes in the supply room.

Interesting read, I enjoyed it.

Isn't it a bit fucked up that guns are legal to carry but brass knuckles and slingshots are illegal?

Hell if I know.. a knife's a knife.. I have a Smith & Wesson as well, this one actually: [img]http://images.outdoorpros.com/images/prod/5/Smith-Wesson-SW3000B-rw-9764-28402.jpg[/img] Mine has First Millennium Run written under SWAT and also doesn't have a serrated blade

Reminds me of a guy here in Denmark who got arrested because the police found a box cutter knife in his car as he was driving home. He didn't even have it on him, it was just in the door of his car.

[QUOTE=BagMinge101;22227077]You expected shit to go down at a showing of Shrek? It's not like you have to skin a fish in there. Of course when they found a knife, they pulled you out of line. Your going into a place with children.[/QUOTE] So obviously, even though he had absolutely no intentions of even taking it out of his pocket, he's a dumbass for leaving it in his pocket. Also, I like how you imply he has it specifically in case 'shit goes down'. I keep a knife in my pocket at all times, it's a small blade too, and it's always used for opening things, cutting things, etc. Not even in my mind for personal defense. Don't be a pussy about knives, man. [editline]09:05PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DragonGenX;22227195]Isn't it a bit fucked up that guns are legal to carry but brass knuckles and slingshots are illegal?[/QUOTE] I can see brass knuckles being illegal. Very easy to conceal, and can seriously fuck someone up. Slingshots though? Makes me lol. Bart Simpson, you violent criminal, you.

Are you brown?

Thats a load of shit right there, mate.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;22227214]Hell if I know.. a knife's a knife.. I have a Smith & Wesson as well, this one actually: [img_thumb]http://images.outdoorpros.com/images/prod/5/Smith-Wesson-SW3000B-rw-9764-28402.jpg[/img_thumb] Mine has First Millennium Run written under SWAT and also doesn't have a serrated blade[/QUOTE] Nice knife, but are you sure that's not partial serration in the picture? [QUOTE=MasterChef;22227242]So obviously, even though he had absolutely no intentions of even taking it out of his pocket, [b]he's a dumbass for leaving it in his pocket.[/b] Also, I like how you imply he has it specifically in case 'shit goes down'. I keep a knife in my pocket at all times, it's a small blade too, and it's always used for opening things, cutting things, etc. Not even in my mind for personal defense. Don't be a pussy about knives, man. [/quote] Not a nice way to say that but yes I was a dumbass for leaving it there. [QUOTE=KG_1;22227291]Are you brown?[/QUOTE] I'm Asian, I'll leave it at that.

Folding knives are shit.

If it ain't silenced it ain't tactical. Does it have a laser sight?

Police checkpoint at the movie theater :wtc:

That's not a pocket knife [img]http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/swiss-army-knife.jpg[/img] this is a pocket knife

[QUOTE=Jund;22227386]If it ain't silenced it ain't tactical. Does it have a laser sight?[/QUOTE] ACOG SOPMOD tactical knife with a 10x scope on it for sniping.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22227610]That's not a pocket knife [img]http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/swiss-army-knife.jpg[/img] this is a pocket knife[/QUOTE] that is one tiny-ass blade

[QUOTE=shill le 2nd;22227642]that is one tiny-ass blade[/QUOTE] it's a tool, not used to slice someone. It gets the job done. i have no idea what to classify OP's shanker as, so we'll just go with tactical as the thread title says

[QUOTE=shill le 2nd;22227642]that is one tiny-ass blade[/QUOTE] it's a fuckin multitool, not some tacticool neckbeard shit

Wait, so the police agreed not to punish you as long as you didn't sue them? That's fucked up.

[QUOTE=gamefreek76;22227364]Folding knives are shit.[/QUOTE] Then why are people still using them even after hundreds of years? [QUOTE=igamiwarr;22227589]Police checkpoint at the movie theater :wtc:[/QUOTE] I agree, it's weird. [QUOTE=DragonGenX;22227700]Wait, so the police agreed not to punish you as long as you didn't sue them? That's fucked up.[/QUOTE] They couldn't punish me otherwise, I didn't find out until later. [QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22227610][b]That's not a pocket knife[/b] [img_thumb]http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/swiss-army-knife.jpg[/img_thumb] this is a pocket knife[/QUOTE] I disagree. [quote=Merriam-Webster]pocketknife A knife that has one or more blades that fold into the handle and that can be carried in the pocket.[/quote]

My dick is "tactical"

looks like it has one or more blades that fold into the handle to me captain fukken ninja

[QUOTE=Comtochus;22227708]I disagree. [quote=Merriam-Webster] pocketknife A knife that has one or more blades that fold into the handle and that can be carried in the pocket.[/quote] [/QUOTE] Webster can kiss my ass, a pocket knife is a tool, OP's shit is a stabbing weapon.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22227734]Webster can kiss my ass, a pocket knife is a tool, OP's shit is a stabbing weapon.[/QUOTE] Are you telling us that any sort of knife isn't a tool?

[QUOTE=reedbo;22227793]Are you telling us that any sort of knife isn't a tool?[/QUOTE] I'm saying that switchblades aren't tools, they're weapons. If you want a tool, get the REAL tool of a knife, instead of trying to pass off a concealed weapon as a "tool"

A cop tryed to confinscate my knife because I was 13. So Being the genius I am I asked for a reciept. He said "what?" then i said " officer if you are to confinscate any object on my person you are to give me a reciept of proof that it is illegal to carry the object if not you are breaking the law I file a compliant you get suspended."The cop gave me back my knife. My dad told to do that if a cop trys to confinscate my knife. The same thing happened to my older brother.They usually give the knife to thier sons or some shit like that or personal use.

Who said anything about switchblades?