Best parenting story of the day: Pakistani family defies tradition by refusing to kill their daughte - Polidicks

[release][h2]Refusing to Kill Daughter, Pakistani Family Defies Tradition, Draws Anger[/h2] [url=http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/09/pakistani-family-refuses-to-kill-daughter-who-was-raped-drawing-anger/245691/][b]//Source[/b] The Atlantic[/url] ______________________________ [i]A Pakistani girl who says she was kidnapped and gang-raped faces a new threat: honor killings, a tradition here, but one that her family refuses to carry out[/i] [img]http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/pulitzer%20sep26%20p.jpg[/img] [sub]Rape survivor Kainat Soomro, left / Hilke Schellmann[/sub] KARACHI, PAKISTAN -- Kainat Soomro is a 17-year-old Pakistani girl who has become a local celebrity of sorts in her battle for justice in the Pakistani courts, a daring move for a woman of any age in this country, let alone a teenager. She is fighting to get justice for a gang rape that she insists happened four years ago in Mehar, a small town in Pakistan. We first met her in the office of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. A colorful traditional Pakistani shawl covered her head. Her father sat next to her as she recounted the 2007 incident. "I was walking home from my school and I went to the store to buy a toy for my niece," she said, staring at the floor of the office. "While I was looking at things a guy pressed a handkerchief on my nose. I fainted and was kidnapped. Then four men gang raped me." As she shared details of her days in captivity and multiple rapes, she kept repeating, "I want justice, I will not stop until I get justice." After three days, she was finally able to escape she said. As she spoke, her father gently tapped her head. He said he tried to get Kainat's alleged rapists arrested, but instead he was rebuffed by the police. According to the Kainat family's account, the tribal elders declared her [i]kari[/i], (which literally means black female), for losing her virginity outside marriage. In Pakistan, women and men who have illicit relationships or women who lose their virginity before marriage are at risk of paying with their lives. "These are matters of honor and the leaders call a [i]jirga[/i] and they declare that the woman or the couple should be killed," said Abdul Hai, a veteran field officer for the Human Rights Commission in Pakistan. These acts of violence are most commonly labeled as "honor killings." The most recent report from the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan noted that in 2009 roughly 46 percent of all female murders in Pakistan that year were in the name of "honor." The report noted that a total of 647 incidences of "honor killings" were reported by the Pakistani press. However, experts say that actual incidences of "honor killings" in Pakistan are much higher and never get reported to the police because they are passed off by the families as suicides. Kainat said that despite the pressures her family refused to kill her. "It is the tradition, but if the family doesn't permit it, then it won't happen. My father, my brother, my mom didn't allow it," she said. And that defiance has left the family fearing for their lives. The family's new home in Karachi has been attacked a number of times. But, according to Abdul Hai, Kainat is lucky: "The woman or the girl usually gets killed and the man gets away," he said. "Over 70 percent of the murdered victims are women and only 30 percent of victims of honor killings are male." In Karachi, Kainat and her family are now sharing one room in a run-down apartment block, and they have to rely on charities to help them pay for food. "We go hungry many nights," said Kainat's older sister. But their fight might never pay off. A local judge has already ruled against Kainat in the case. "There is no corroborative evidence available on record. The sole testimony of the alleged rape survivor is not sufficient," the judge said in a written decision. Another problem is that material evidence is usually not collected in rape cases in Pakistan since the police rarely believe rape victims and therefore don't order rape kits in a timely manner. Without medical tests to corroborate her story, it remains Kainat's word against the alleged rapists. But even having lost her case at the local court, Kainat insists, "I am not giving up, I will take this all the way to the Supreme Court of Pakistan."[/release] This gives me hope [img]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-unsmith.gif[/img]

Kill your rape victims, or else. What a wonderful country.

so women who get raped are killed pakis have some backward ass laws

[QUOTE=dogmachines;32526037]Kill your rape victims, or else. What a wonderful country.[/QUOTE] I think it's nice to see that they're trying to stop the spread of STDs.

At least they are helping with world overpopulation. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Another awful uninformed post about the Middle East. Surely you're trolling?" - Dragon))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Patriarch;32526072]I think it's nice to see that they're trying to stop the spread of STDs.[/QUOTE] what [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DarkSpider;32526083]At least they are helping with world overpopulation.[/QUOTE]what [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] you guys do realize it'd be better in both cases to kill the rapist, and not the victim right?

[QUOTE=MightyMax;32526092]what [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] what [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] you guys do realize it'd be better in both cases to kill the rapist, and not the victim right?[/QUOTE] You do realise we are both joking, right? Well, I am. I cannot speak for DarkSpider.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;32526131]You do realise we are both joking, right? Well, I am. I cannot speak for DarkSpider.[/QUOTE] It's a terrible joke and you should reconsider your sense of humor.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;32526131]You do realise we are both joking, right? Well, I am. I cannot speak for DarkSpider.[/QUOTE] This isn't a subject you should joke about.

[QUOTE=Van-man;32526404]This isn't a subject you should joke about.[/QUOTE] Oh why not? It lightens a very dark subject. Shit doesn't need to be uber serious all the time, have a sense of humor to get you through the day.

[QUOTE=Van-man;32526404]This isn't a subject you should joke about.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I forgot that someone could die because of a joke.

Who came up with these disgusting traditions?

[QUOTE=Patriarch;32526131]You do realise we are both joking, right? Well, I am. I cannot speak for DarkSpider.[/QUOTE] How is it a joke if it isn't funny?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32526454]Who came up with these disgusting traditions?[/QUOTE] Muhammed i guesss.

[QUOTE=Sparkwire;32526477]How is it a joke if it isn't funny?[/QUOTE] Funny isn't an objective measurable trait of something. Funny is in the eyes of the beholder.

And we should all respect their religion and customs. My ass.

According to Islam a rape victim must be able to present 4 male witnesses or else her case has no ground. Honor killings is a part of tradition in Muslim countries but not as part of the religion. However fundamentalist Islam does say that any woman who has sex outside of marriage must receive 100 whiplashes before getting stoned to death. If she recognizes and accuses the rapist she will also be given 80 whiplashes for false accusation if she cannot present four male witnesses. I think modern Islam is a little healthier for the whole problem with a lack of women in the Middleeast, just saying. :v:

well there were 4 witnesses to the rape

We had crap like this to back in the day. Remember witch burning? The western society grew over it though, now its their turn to change.

[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;32526485]Muhammed i guesss.[/QUOTE] The Koran teaches the opposite of this.

Why can't we nuke every country apart from a few european ones, mankind has absolutely no hope if these kind of backward beliefs are still allowed to remain.

[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32526972]Why can't we nuke every country apart from a few european ones[/QUOTE] because that's an amazingly stupid idea. lying about the iproducts to make android look better is one thing... [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=FPtje;32526523]And we should all respect their religion and customs. My ass.[/QUOTE] pfff respecting their religion and customs doesn't imply looking the other way when bad things happen maybe you'd like their religion and customs more if they pretended to be a girl and chatted you up?

[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32526972]Why can't we nuke every country apart from a few european ones, mankind has absolutely no hope if these kind of backward beliefs are still allowed to remain.[/QUOTE] Because nuking a few hundred countries and killing billions of innocent children and civilians, tourists, and destroying historical places, natural resources, and many other things just to kill some bad guys is sort of called genocide and that would cause all that land to be uninhabitable for generations. Thank god you aren't the leader of a major country. Also its hilariously ironic that you ended your statement with "mankind has absolutely no hope if these kind of backward beliefs are still allowed to remain." after saying we should nuke every country on earth besides European nations.

Fuck Pakistan's Bass-Ackwards laws. Seriously, not to sound anti-Pakistan, but I've never heard good news come from that place. Edit: Fuck you too, keyboard

[QUOTE=thisispain;32527037]because that's an amazingly stupid idea.[/QUOTE] Hey, you wouldn't be around, so that's an improvement.

Yes, believe it or not people, there are countries where shit like this actually happens. At least it's not Somalia. Now [I]that[/I] is a shitty country to live in if you're a woman.

[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32528070]Hey, you wouldn't be around, so that's an improvement.[/QUOTE] but massive amounts of fallout, nuclear winter, governmental collapse, and bandits would. have fun with that!

[B][I]Bring them here, bring them here, bring them here![/I][/B] Wait, that might not be a good idea... Take them to another modernized country, one that doesn't have unreasonable hatred for other religions like they do here in the US! That's just awesome that they're going against all of the pressures to kill her. It's also absolutely horrifying that 'not killing your own child for being a victim of a horrific crime' needs to be declared as 'awesome'.

[QUOTE=Kagrs;32526579]However fundamentalist Islam does say that any woman who has sex outside of marriage must receive [b]100 whiplashes[/b] before getting stoned to death[/QUOTE] so they force you to get rear ended in an economy sedan 100 times? [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32526972]Why can't we nuke every country apart from a few european ones, mankind has absolutely no hope if these kind of backward beliefs are still allowed to remain.[/QUOTE] MY ANGST METER IS GOIN' OFF THE SCALE DOC!

[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32528070]Hey, you wouldn't be around, so that's an improvement.[/QUOTE] uh i'm an english national so i could actually survive and then go back to england to kick you in the dingus