The internet is a massive self-updating database of information, a marvel in communications technology that people in centuries past could not have imagined in even the wildest of fictions. It is amazing in its scale and versatility. Imagine a vast spider web of infinite complexity that spans the entire planet and seems to have no single origin.
The internet is important because it is a stateless nation - A global community where people from all over the world come into contact with one another.
However, like any such thing, some abuse it. There is an underground community on the internet of paedophiles and child pornographers. The latter charge a premium for footage on hidden websites of young children being sexually abused. Where there is money and profit, there is proliferation. Some could argue that the internet is the main cause of the illegal sex trade today. Children barely above the age of infancy are kidnapped from their parents and sold into slavery, forced to make pornographic videos or to e used as objects to fulfill their owner's sick pleasures. Many are brutally beaten or mutilated in addition to the sexual abuse, all because it gets their abusers off.
Civilized countries everywhere have been deeply disturbed by this, as they should be.
The United States being the loudest among them, American policymakers are pushing to - of all things - seize and control the internet.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the problem. I do not believe the Internet should belong to any one country, or all the social progress our generation has achieved will be for naught. As impossible as we know it is, if the United States were to somehow achieve control of the entire network, all countries that were opposed to America's views would remove themselves from the global community, and a new Iron Curtain would be formed - A virtual one. The internet is, strictly speaking, outside America's jurisdiction.
What CAN be done is policymaking directed at creating stricter American ISP security protocols that monitor all known proxy sites for American IP addresses and that seek and censor all pornographic material featuring children. In fact, this has already been implemented to a degree.
Since the internet is massively P2P, however, I doubt it is physically possible to control the entire network.
And that's just the way things should be.
Internet belongs to everyone
Dominion = you, me, that weeaboo in the corner, the furry masturbating to furry porn, and the fat 12 year old /b/tard listening to music from Naruto drinking Monster
Or you could totally just australia-ify it.
but that ain't fun now is it?
You make it seem like the internet is some invisible force that flows through all living things.
The internet is just one server connected by some wires through a couple routers to another server.
It's just a physical object.
If you destroy the physical objects the internet is no more.
They already can control the internet.
They're trying to take away encryption on emails, and they're watching what we do, what we download, monitoring our usage.
It's nearly too late, if not too late already.
it seems to me that illegal stuff will happen no matter what and the tighter you try to close your grip around it the more of it will slip through
so fuck it
Or you could just make a web 3.0 and make a collection of central routers. Except this would such because it would be slow as shit and people would be trying to govern the internet
I think its the responsibility of the governments to control the distribution of child pornography within their own nations. Even though the content makes its way onto the internet in some form, the acts are still being committed within the jurisdiction of some country. It's pretty much a waste of time trying to control the internet than it is to prevent illegal internet-related activites within their own confines.
Still, the internet should be subject to international laws (since it is an international entity) but it's a waste of time and money to try to "police" the Internet.
[QUOTE=w 1 z;20678190]Internet belongs to everyone[/QUOTE]
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Sloppy, the internet can be monitored, but it can't be controlled, because servers are all over the world. And that's what's important
[QUOTE=archangel125;20678242]Sloppy, the internet can be monitored, but it can't be controlled, because servers are all over the world. And that's what's important[/QUOTE]
Using backdoor trojans, to install spyware.
You can monitor everyone, and by looking up the chain of command you can "control" it.
If the USA wanted to, they could kill garry, take his account and no one would be the wiser, possibly besides some mods.
But now the USA is in control of the site.
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Because you never see anyone face to face, you could have entire administration changes without anyone knowing.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20678268]Using backdoor trojans, to install spyware.
You can monitor everyone, and by looking up the chain of command you can "control" it.
If the USA wanted to, they could kill garry, take his account and no one would be the wiser, possibly besides some mods.
But now the USA is in control of the site.[/QUOTE]
Aye, I know. But the resources and manpower needed to control every internet server on the planet would be more than any one country could afford. And to keep said operation secret would be impossible.
Like that other guy said, policing the internet is a retarded idea.
whole internet is babies
[QUOTE=strongreaction;20678300]whole internet is babies[/QUOTE]
You are not so good as you think.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20678268]Using backdoor trojans, to install spyware.
You can monitor everyone, and by looking up the chain of command you can "control" it.
If the USA wanted to, they could kill garry, take his account and no one would be the wiser, possibly besides some mods.
But now the USA is in control of the site.[/QUOTE]
That would require having to put effort into actually looking for him over in England. Surveilance, planning, and not to mention the expense of it all. It would be stupid to even try and also I think Garry is smart enough not to download a virus or anything like that even if it were from the US govt. How are they going to send it to him? Send him a spam email with "free penis pills viagra lavitra the viking stood up and say you are good man carry my axe visit http:\\www.onlinepharmacythatlookslegitbutactuallyisnt.com" It would never get done.
[QUOTE=archangel125;20678294]Aye, I know. But the resources and manpower needed to control every internet server on the planet would be more than any one country could afford. And to keep said operation secret would be impossible.
Like that other guy said, policing the internet is a retarded idea.[/QUOTE]
Another thing is, you can just regulate.
The internet is just a source of information.
Like TVs or radios you can filter what comes in.
Look at china.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20678324]Another thing is, you can just regulate.
The internet is just a source of information.
Like TVs or radios you can filter what comes in.
Look at china.[/QUOTE]
That's what I said in OP. Read the bit about ISPs.
[QUOTE=w 1 z;20678323]That would require having to put effort into actually looking for him over in England. Surveilance, planning, and not to mention the expense of it all. It would be stupid to even try and also I think Garry is smart enough not to download a virus or anything like that even if it were from the US govt. How are they going to send it to him? Send him a spam email with "free penis pills viagra lavitra the viking stood up and say you are good man carry my axe visit http:\\www.onlinepharmacythatlookslegitbutactuallyisnt.com" It would never get done.[/QUOTE]
"smart enough to download a virus"
You're comparing a government to a typical hacker.
Even if garry was smart enough not to do anything like that, they can just go to where he registered the domain name and ask who registered it.
Alternatively:
[url]http://whois.domaintools.com/facepunch.com[/url]
NOone owns it, because noone owns ALL of the linked servers.
The internet is simply a network for everyone to enjoy, though some people [4chan] take it too-far off the deep-end.
And now it's harder to find reliable information on the internet due to all the retards spamming every keyword in their shitty un-informative website so it comes up in every search.
[QUOTE=archangel125;20678338]That's what I said in OP. Read the bit about ISPs.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't arguing with you in the first place, I was just stating my point.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20678205]You make it seem like the internet is some invisible force that flows through all living things.
The internet is just one server connected by some wires through a couple routers to another server.
It's just a physical object.
If you destroy the physical objects the internet is no more.
They already can control the internet.
They're trying to take away encryption on emails, and they're watching what we do, what we download, monitoring our usage.
It's nearly too late, if not too late already.[/QUOTE]
That's not even physically possible. No team of people could ever sift through all the information exchanged on the internet.
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[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20678352]"smart enough to download a virus"
You're comparing a government to a typical hacker.
Even if garry was smart enough not to do anything like that, they can just go to where he registered the domain name and ask who registered it.
Alternatively:
[url]http://whois.domaintools.com/facepunch.com[/url][/QUOTE]
You realize that in that situation you have to assume that the US Government is competent enough to stage the assassination of an innocent foreign citizen belonging to an allied nation that is also one of the foremost world powers and not get caught?
Not that it even matters, you're talking about a single high profile target. I'm talking about the entire internet.
The ones who control the physical servers controls parts of the internet, not one single person controls the whole internet.
I'd be pissed if the American government does strict online control and internet black holes to stop underground communities that are looked down upon.
[quote=archangel125]...the internet can be monitored, but it can't be controlled, because servers are all over the world. [/quote]
I would agree with that.
[QUOTE=KaIibos;20678212]it seems to me that illegal stuff will happen no matter what and the tighter you try to close your grip around it the more of it will slip through
so fuck it[/QUOTE]
Laws are made to be broken, but sensible people follow them, because most laws are actually smart.
I though it'd belong to Drew Carrey, Wayne Brady, Ryan Stiles, or Colin Mochrie.
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whoops read the title wrong
The internet's dominion is it's own.
The internet is [i][b]RAPTURE[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20678425]That's not even physically possible. No team of people could ever sift through all the information exchanged on the internet.[/QUOTE]
Depends what you're looking for though.
And that wasn't my original point.
With firewalls and such, you certainly could, look at china.
[quote]
You realize that in that situation you have to assume that the US Government is competent enough to stage the assassination of an innocent foreign citizen belonging to an allied nation that is also one of the foremost world powers and not get caught?
Not that it even matters, you're talking about a single high profile target. I'm talking about the entire internet.[/quote]Okay. You assume your government is full of idiots who would get caught.
If you want to take out any organization, take out the leaders. That's how a coup works.
If you want to crush free speech or free thought on the internet, just take out the people who are advocating it, and the rest will follow.
Thats like using DRM for games. It will piss people off but there will be ways around it. The internet cannot be and will never be controlled.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;20678630]The internet is [i][b]RAPTURE[/b][/i][/QUOTE]
This. It was the ideal world where the common man could live his own life, but now it is a hell filled with savages and 13 year olds who think cat pictures are funny. Hell, there are even big daddies (white knights) protecting their little sisters from the spliced up trolls. All we need now are a few more cracks for this series of tubes to sink to the bottom of the abyss.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;20678688]Thats like using DRM for games. It will piss people off but there will be ways around it. The internet cannot be and will never be controlled.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. Never assume something like that.
Even now, governments are working against what people have done on the internet.
As I said before, removal of civilian encryption, laws like the patriot act that let the government search what they want. etc.
It all leads up to the point that eventually the internet will be regulated. Which we have been seeing in an increasing number of countries (ban on violent games over the internet, china as I've said before)
Even now, we have limits on how much we can download, what we can/can't see (ie child pornography), what we can or can't say on the internet without possible real life repercussions, ie death threats, internet bullying.
I don't agree with all these things, but you guys make it seem like the internet is some sort of idealistic anarchy where there are no rules.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20678637]Depends what you're looking for though.
And that wasn't my original point.
With firewalls and such, you certainly could, look at china.
Okay. You assume your government is full of idiots who would get caught.
If you want to take out any organization, take out the leaders. That's how a coup works.
If you want to crush free speech or free thought on the internet, just take out the people who are advocating it, and the rest will follow.[/QUOTE]
China blocks out certain content automatically, yes. To an extent. However, it doesn't process all of the information generated by the internet.
Uh, yeah, of course.
I'm sure that no one will spot all net neutrality proponents being systematically eliminated all over the globe.
Did you take paranoid lessons form Dan Brown or something?
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