Tea Party Leader: We'll Take A Debt Ceiling Hike If You Put Gay Troops Back In The Closet
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[quote]The two sides of the debate over whether the tea party is at heart a socially conservative movement or a fiscally conservative one smashed together Monday morning at a press conference in Washington, where a tea party leader told reporters he'd be willing to accept a bump in the debt ceiling if Republicans promise to put an end to "military effeminization."
Speakers from the Cato Institute's Dan Mitchell to a man dressed as George Washington to Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) -- who sent a written statement that was read aloud -- told a small crowd of reporters that House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and his GOP leadership team were ignoring their tea party mandate by supporting an increase in the federal debt limit. They called on Republicans in the House to attach strict spending riders onto any deal they make with an Obama administration desperate to avoid government default.
For Bachmann, no less than the "complete defunding of Obamacare" would do. For others, a total spending freeze and a small, short-term limit increase was acceptable, provided it came with guarantees of deep spending cuts. For Tea Party Founding Fathers chairman William Temple, a reinstatement of Don't Ask, Don't Tell and keeping women out of combat roles would also be acceptable.
Temple, who addressed the audience in his trademark colonial garb, is organzing the Tea Party Freedom Jamboree this fall in Kansas City. He railed against Boehner and the GOP leadership in his speech, calling them "wimpy RINOs" and even attacked Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-WI) Medicare-destroying plan passed by the House last month as a "so-called 'courageous' budget"
Temple is 100% opposed to raising the debt ceiling, and said that how members vote on the issue will be the sole item on the tea party scorecard when it comes to rating candidates in 2012. Vote for the increase, you get a zero. Vote against it, you get a 100. Apparently it's that simple.
But even Temple said he understood a compromise might be coming. So he offered a long list of things the Republicans could do that would lead the "tea party movement as a whole" to "possibly forgive Boehner and the House Republicans a small bump in the debt limit."
On the list was keeping the front lines of America's wars as free of openly gay people and women of any sexual leaning as possible.
Temple said that "if the House Armed Services Committee and the Pentagon slow down on injecting open homosexuality and females into forward combat roles," tea partiers might be able to put up with their new Republican House voting to ensure American government services are paid for with more borrowed cash.
Temple's line of reasoning:
When the Pentagon's own studies show that military effeminization may have an extremely costly impact on recruiting and retention, when Islamists have shown their willingness to sexually brutalize American female reporters, why would John Boehner's House Republicans be caving to political correctness? Why would House Republicans who know better be fostering inappropriate attractions in the intimacy of tents, bunks, barracks, platoons, subs, tanks, convoys, cockpits, latrines, showers, toilets and locker rooms when we are fighting wars in three Muslim nations?
The speakers spent most of their time talking debt limit, but Temple wasn't the only one to bring up DADT. Rev. C.L. Bryant, a Louisiana tea party chapter founder, former Garland, TX NAACP president and filmmaker, also connected his attacks on Boehner and company to DADT. He said the repeal of the policy banning gays and lesbians from serving openly was "not prudent," according to military leaders (in fact, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was a proponent of ending the policy before it was repealed last year.)
"What is the point of having the stick that we gave you if you're not going to protect the interests of the American people?" Bryant said. "Also, we send this message to those who have in fact spoken about changing the very nature and the very reason our Army protects this country and the principles that have guided it."
Bob Vander Plaats, who ran hard for tea party support in his failed bid for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in Iowa last year and has tried to emerge as a presidential kingmaker since, said in response to a question from TPM that it made sense to tie DADT repeal to the debt ceiling fight.
"It's a ripple effect," he said. "When you start going away from core value issues, the ripple effect leads right to economic issues as well."
"If you tell me where you're at, say on the sanctity of marriage or on some core value issues," Vander Plaats explained, "I'll tell you where you're at on economic policy."
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Oh such wingnutty people, what will you think of next? "Want to save the country from bankruptcy? SCREW THE FAGGOTS AND THE WOMEN!"
Good to see that the Tea Party places social conservatism before their economic values.
Isn't the economy like you know, a pretty real issue? Gays in the military? Um who cares?
Guess they're not really serious about their economic policy.
this is a grown man dressed in "trademark colonial garb"
he should be standing on the street muttering insanities holding a paper cup, not organizing protests
[quote]he'd be willing to accept a bump in the debt ceiling if Republicans promise to put an end to "military effeminization."[/quote]
No. Fuck you.
Seriously, these people are trained to kill and subdue other human beings. The government would otherwise treat soldiers as a tool for destruction and projection of power, so it stands to reason they really shouldn't give a fuck who they are, or what they do in their personal lives. A bullet fired from any human being regardless of who they are will kill just the same. A person's sexuality is a characteristic, not their character. It has been proven time and time again that it has NOTHING to do with military performance.
This is just thinly veiled bigotry.
It needs to stop, or they need to just come out in the open about it. All of this Tea Party bullshit and [i]ad hominem[/i] attacks on the president and those who support him are just a way to validate their own bigoted, reactionary views. The kind of things these people turn to because they're too stupid and hateful to actually THINK before they open their mouths. Every moment spent on giving them a voice because we've somehow validated their obscene views is a moment wasted. It's time that could be spent having discourse on actual ISSUES, not this mindless crap. It's a distraction, and why these people would ever want to detract from improving their country is beyond me.
And this whole idea of "Republicans knowing economics" is tripe. The Right-Wing fucked up under Reagan, and they fucked up again under Bush, and the economic issues facing the western world fall heavily (but not entirely) upon their shoulders. I'm not going to praise the Democrats because I think that their indecision is a problem as well, not to mention the two-party system, but the fact still stands that they haven't really been as colossally responsible for as much horrible, reactionary decision making as the Republicans.
I almost think sometimes that these people can't possibly be serious, that they must be outright [b]evil[/b] for some of the things they suggest. It's just too outlandishly uncaring and dumb to suggest 85% of anything that comes from the far right wing.
Maybe I'm just a pinko Canadian, but I honestly think that there is some kind of serious flaw in the minds of anyone who honestly believes in any of the ridiculous shit that's spun from Fox News, the Tea Party, or any other institution of that far-right nature.
I once heard the leader of the Connecticut TEA party scream at a room full of people, about how a video of her giving a speech had been viewed over 3000 times on youtube, for fifteen minutes. They're not well.
[QUOTE]Speakers from the Cato Institute's Dan Mitchell to a man dressed as George Washington to Rep. Michele Bachmann[/QUOTE]
This sounds like the setup for an "X, Y and Z walk into a bar" joke.
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;29751212]Maybe I'm just a pinko Canadian, but I honestly think that there is some kind of serious flaw in the minds of anyone who honestly believes in any of the ridiculous shit that's spun from Fox News, the Tea Party, or any other institution of that far-right nature.[/QUOTE]
I prefer questioning a little bit of everything but yeah anything said by a guy dressed up like a queer polyester version of a colonist is pretty fucking ripe for doubt and ridicule.
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;29751212]No. Fuck you.
Seriously, these people are trained to kill and subdue other human beings. The government would otherwise treat soldiers as a tool for destruction and projection of power, so it stands to reason they really shouldn't give a fuck who they are, or what they do in their personal lives. A bullet fired from any human being regardless of who they are will kill just the same. A person's sexuality is a characteristic, not their character. It has been proven time and time again that it has NOTHING to do with military performance.
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np6_b-72H3E[/media]
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;29751212]No. Fuck you.
Seriously, these people are trained to kill and subdue other human beings. The government would otherwise treat soldiers as a tool for destruction and projection of power, so it stands to reason they really shouldn't give a fuck who they are, or what they do in their personal lives. A bullet fired from any human being regardless of who they are will kill just the same. A person's sexuality is a characteristic, not their character. It has been proven time and time again that it has NOTHING to do with military performance.
This is just thinly veiled bigotry.
It needs to stop, or they need to just come out in the open about it. All of this Tea Party bullshit and [i]ad hominem[/i] attacks on the president and those who support him are just a way to validate their own bigoted, reactionary views. The kind of things these people turn to because they're too stupid and hateful to actually THINK before they open their mouths. Every moment spent on giving them a voice because we've somehow validated their obscene views is a moment wasted. It's time that could be spent having discourse on actual ISSUES, not this mindless crap. It's a distraction, and why these people would ever want to detract from improving their country is beyond me.
And this whole idea of "Republicans knowing economics" is tripe. The Right-Wing fucked up under Reagan, and they fucked up again under Bush, and the economic issues facing the western world fall heavily (but not entirely) upon their shoulders. I'm not going to praise the Democrats because I think that their indecision is a problem as well, not to mention the two-party system, but the fact still stands that they haven't really been as colossally responsible for as much horrible, reactionary decision making as the Republicans.
I almost think sometimes that these people can't possibly be serious, that they must be outright [b]evil[/b] for some of the things they suggest. It's just too outlandishly uncaring and dumb to suggest 85% of anything that comes from the far right wing.
Maybe I'm just a pinko Canadian, but I honestly think that there is some kind of serious flaw in the minds of anyone who honestly believes in any of the ridiculous shit that's spun from Fox News, the Tea Party, or any other institution of that far-right nature.[/QUOTE]
The problem with gays in the military is that the military uses machismo to recruit little kids, or in other words they tell kids that if they join the military they'll become REAL MEN. On the other hand taking a dick in the ass is seen as feminine. So letting gays into the military has become a sort of attack against some Americans belief systems.
What I'm saying is that we need to address the idea that homosexual men are inherently feminine.
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Although that isn't really the issue, sorry, the issue is that femininity is seen as a negative thing- which is wrong.
lol way to betray your supposed 'beliefs' there bro, the Tea Party is a pretty big joke these days.
It used to be decently cool before neocons co-opted it.
[QUOTE=s0beit;29751627]It used to be decently cool[/QUOTE]
how
These dumbasses piss me off.
[QUOTE=JDK721;29751646]how[/QUOTE]
It wasn't run by republicans, that should be enough really
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;29751212]No. Fuck you.
Seriously, these people are trained to kill and subdue other human beings. The government would otherwise treat soldiers as a tool for destruction and projection of power, so it stands to reason they really shouldn't give a fuck who they are, or what they do in their personal lives. A bullet fired from any human being regardless of who they are will kill just the same. A person's sexuality is a characteristic, not their character. It has been proven time and time again that it has NOTHING to do with military performance.
This is just thinly veiled bigotry.
It needs to stop, or they need to just come out in the open about it. All of this Tea Party bullshit and [i]ad hominem[/i] attacks on the president and those who support him are just a way to validate their own bigoted, reactionary views. The kind of things these people turn to because they're too stupid and hateful to actually THINK before they open their mouths. Every moment spent on giving them a voice because we've somehow validated their obscene views is a moment wasted. It's time that could be spent having discourse on actual ISSUES, not this mindless crap. It's a distraction, and why these people would ever want to detract from improving their country is beyond me.
And this whole idea of "Republicans knowing economics" is tripe. The Right-Wing fucked up under Reagan, and they fucked up again under Bush, and the economic issues facing the western world fall heavily (but not entirely) upon their shoulders. I'm not going to praise the Democrats because I think that their indecision is a problem as well, not to mention the two-party system, but the fact still stands that they haven't really been as colossally responsible for as much horrible, reactionary decision making as the Republicans.
I almost think sometimes that these people can't possibly be serious, that they must be outright [b]evil[/b] for some of the things they suggest. It's just too outlandishly uncaring and dumb to suggest 85% of anything that comes from the far right wing.
Maybe I'm just a pinko Canadian, but I honestly think that there is some kind of serious flaw in the minds of anyone who honestly believes in any of the ridiculous shit that's spun from Fox News, the Tea Party, or any other institution of that far-right nature.[/QUOTE]
It isn't thinly veiled, it's all out bigotry of the highest degree
[QUOTE=s0beit;29751659]It wasn't run by republicans, that should be enough really[/QUOTE]
tea party was founded by ron paul supporters
I wouldn't consider that "decently cool"
[QUOTE=thisispain;29751104]this is a grown man dressed in "trademark colonial garb"
he should be standing on the street muttering insanities holding a paper cup, not organizing protests[/QUOTE]
Hey don't be hating on grown men dressed anachronistically.
[QUOTE=JDK721;29751744]tea party was founded by ron paul supporters
I wouldn't consider that "decently cool"[/QUOTE]
s0beit would.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29751774]Hey don't be hating on grown men dressed anachronistically.[/QUOTE]
except it's not part of his job or anything
he's literally a guy dressed in really old clothes talking about gay people
Yes, yes, we all know the Tea Party's fiscal "policies" are all bullshit, and they're only interested in pushing the same old tired social agenda.
If the tea party ever gains office... atheist god help us.
I think founding father fetishization is a bigger threat to the US than "military effeminization".
Umm, how about, instead of that, we
-Raise taxes on the rich
-Raise taxes more on the richer
-Raise taxes even more on the even richer
-Fix tax loopholes
-Actually enforce regulations
-Allow workers to have rights
-Let gays and women be treated like actual human beings
-Stop treating corporations like they're individuals, especially if we haven't achieved the objective immediately above this one yet, and stop them from being so influential on government
-Try and get the average income of the bottom 90% of the country to actually rise for once since 1966 (it's stayed pretty much constant since then)
[url]http://g-mond.parisschoolofeconomics.eu/topincomes/[/url] Database -> America -> Top 10% average income & Bottom 90% average income
-Tell the Teabaggers and the Fox brigade fuck off and go fuck themselves
[QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;29752375]I think founding father fetishization is a bigger threat to the US than "military effeminization".[/QUOTE]
Ugh, yes, it's an unbelievably common meme among the right, and honestly americans in general, that the Founding Fathers (TM) were a perfect group of political gods that made the best government on earth 300 years ago and any deviation from their old documents is tantamount to religious heresy. It's a force that's keeping us from moving forward.
[QUOTE=s0beit;29751627]
It used to be decently cool before neocons co-opted it.[/QUOTE]
No, it was always a racially charged moronic neocon organization organized and funded by social conservative groups as well as Fox News in an attempt to legitimize beliefs that even the GOP found abhorrent
hey guys we hate taxes and debt
but not as much as we hate gays
lol this bitch be wearing stockings and hating on gays at the same time
further proving my point that the tea party is just a bunch of angry republicans pretending to be libertarians because they think it's cool.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;29751068]Isn't the economy like you know, a pretty real issue? Gays in the military? Um who cares?[/QUOTE]
no you just don't get it how do you expect all the straight soldiers to do their job killing terrorists while their gay buddies are always trying to sneak some cock into their bum
it just doesn't work
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why don't [i]you[/i] try and kill a terrorist with some hot, hard manmeat in your intestine, then come back and tell us how well it goes
hey
hey guys
what if we
guys
what if we
what if we [i]cut military spending[/i]
[editline]11th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;29751587]The problem with gays in the military is that the military uses machismo to recruit little kids, or in other words they tell kids that if they join the military they'll become REAL MEN. On the other hand taking a dick in the ass is seen as feminine. So letting gays into the military has become a sort of attack against some Americans belief systems.
What I'm saying is that we need to address the idea that homosexual men are inherently feminine.[/QUOTE]
or how about we tackle this institutionally enforced gender role that men have to be burly soldiers in order to be "real men"
[QUOTE=mzathemind;29752135]atheist god help us.[/QUOTE]
So Richard Dawkins?
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;29752394]Ugh, yes, it's an unbelievably common meme among the right, and honestly americans in general, that the Founding Fathers (TM) were a perfect group of political gods that made the best government on earth 300 years ago and any deviation from their old documents is tantamount to religious heresy. It's a force that's keeping us from moving forward.[/QUOTE]
It's also unbelievably common for the right to completely make shit up and lie out their asses about the founding fathers and what they supported (the same way they do with the Christian God, but with the founding fathers it's more demonstrably false)
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