A social democrat in Sweden wants to give ISIS-defectors support in form of work and housing. And it - Polidicks

Swedish sources: [url]http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/stockholm/starka-reaktioner-mot-stockholms-satsning-mot-extremister[/url] [url]http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/stockholm/sahlins-lofte-stod-till-avhoppare[/url] Roughly translated vital bits of source 1: [quote]This week, the City of Stockholm approved a strategy against extremism. The goal is to prevent terrorist travel ([I]people leaving Sweden to fight with ISIS[/I]), but also to [B]manage returning IS-fighters using different types of support[/B]. The strategy has been severely criticized by the opposition. - "The people who come back after they committed genocide should not get housing and jobs, but must be brought to justice", says opposition mayors Lotta Edholm (FP). [...] The document states, inter alia, the importance of cooperation with the [B]social services income support, job squares and a link to the Employment Service[/B]. It also says that [B]housing should be part of a collaboration.[/B] Something that the opposition reacted strongly to. "They talk about jobs plazas, housing and livelihood for returnees. It is sour cream for criminals [I](expression meaning basically getting things for free)[/I]. I lack the wording on how to de-radicalize these people", says Erik Slottner (KD) group leader for the Christian Democrats.[/quote] So basically if you find your situation is a bit rough, head down to Syria, kill some innocent people in the name of ISIS and come back and you'll get shit on a silver platter. Sounds totally reasonable. Oh and also, there's this guy who went down and fought AGAINST ISIS, but he's getting jack shit in return. [url]http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/stockholm/daniel-stred-mot-is-fick-inget-stod[/url] Lovely. [editline]sdsd[/editline] [B][U]UPDATE[/U][/B]: Mona Sahlins proposal will likely not see the light of day, since [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1494102"]as of Sweden going onto threat level 4[/URL], the prime minister Stefan Löfven has made it clear in a recent press conference that people who go to Syria to fight for and with ISIS will, if they return, [B]be faced with criminal charges. Joining terrorist-programs and terrorist-groups will be classified as a criminal offense.[/B] Lövfen also says the government has been "naive". Source: [url]http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article21792719.ab[/url] (Aftonbladet is basically DailyMail but hey)

I'm usually all for rehabilitation, but I'm sorry. ISIS has stated that it intends to murder. If you go to them with that intent, commit atrocities, and then try to come back, you are a murderer and should be tried as such. Criminals are extradited from their home countries to be tried for things like that. There is no conceivable reason they should be treated any differently.

They should have an opportunity to defect but treating them better than your own citizens and [I]forgiving their crimes[/I] (?) is quite disgusting. It would make sense to treat them like that if ISIL were considered a state like NK or if it were military purposes.

Isn't this practically what they were doing already?

The nice thought is there, but no. They don't deserve help.

This fucking country, I swear. These politicians always talk about rehab and reintergration for criminals (thus the ridiculously low jail sentences) but they immeadiately retreat into their own bubble when faced with the real issues. Our country is stagnating for crying out loud, do something about it you idiots.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;49133642]Thsi fucking country, I swear. These politicians always talk about rehab and reintergration from criminals (thus the ridiculously low jail sentences) but they immeadiately retreat into their own bubble whne faced with the real issues. Our country is stagnating for crying out loud, do something about it you idiots.[/QUOTE] Rehabilitation and reintegration is nice and all, but for crimes like thievery and such. Isis are looney terrorists, I doubt it would be very efficient.

Why is Sweden so backwards I don't understand. Do they just hate themselves and their own country?

I am actually speechless. What the fuck is going on

Positive reinforcement. The defector has done the right thing, makes no sense to discourage that. bah this is causing kids to shit their pants. Lemme clarify. IF people are given a second chance they should go under heavy surveillance, have their connections/knowledge of terror cells used in anti terror operations and should be used as a "poster child" to lower Isis morale. Objectively it is the better course of action. The alternative is give them no option and by no choice of their own will they continue to fight for ISIS. Discouraging ISIS defections is literally supporting ISIS. Some clown below thought I woudl advocate bringing terrorists back and setting them loose, absolutely untrue and totally disingenuous.

I could see this being a good way to remove local fighters from ISIS territory - a lot of them have no ties to the cause, they just don't want to get murdered by ISIS. But that's not what this is about. Doing it for people who were raised in the West and willingly traveled to join ISIS, though? I don't really think that will work. These people may not have fully known what they were getting into, but they still thought jihad was a cause worth supporting. I could [I]maybe[/I] get behind reduced penalties - there actually have been western-born ISIS fighters who only realized how fucked-up ISIS is when they got there, and were afraid of what would happen if they ran back. So reducing the penalties, or offering amnesty for those who didn't actually do anything wrong other than simply joining ISIS, maybe. Blanket amnesty? I really don't think that's a good idea.

Christ. Sweden's government is practically begging the country to turn into a massive trainwreck at this point.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;49133707]Why is Sweden so backwards I don't understand. Do they just hate themselves and their own country?[/QUOTE] We haven't had a good government party in ages. They're literally all idiots. Not even kidding. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49133711]Positive reinforcement. The defector has done the right thing, makes no sense to discourage that.[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you're joking or not.

Sweden Yes [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitpost / meme" - Swebonny))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Fort83;49133649]Yeah no they should not be getting any of this, fuck this get out of jail free card bullshit. All they deserve is a bomb dropped on them or to rot in a cell for their rest of their worthless lives.[/QUOTE] If the people who join ISIS were motivated by a psychopathic lust to murder innocents, I'd agree with you. But they aren't. They believe that they are doing what needs to be done according to their bullshit beliefs, beliefs that aren't really challenged by the progressive western world. ISIS has nothing to do with Islam? No, it has a ton to do with Islam. I don't care if someone is christian, jewish, muslim, w/e. Their beliefs are bullshit and we need to stop pretending that we can ignore them until they become benign.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw[/media] Obligatory.

Is this a fucking joke?

[QUOTE=Ax3l;49133814]Is this a fucking joke?[/QUOTE] No, it's Sweden.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;49133817]No, it's Sweden.[/QUOTE] People tend to exaggerate about this country, but this has gone too far.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49133711]Positive reinforcement. The defector has done the right thing, makes no sense to discourage that.[/QUOTE] Are you for real? They left their country to embark on a jihad. To murder, rape and subjugate innocent people. Just because they eventually grew bored, or pissed off the wrong people doesn't mean they deserve a get out of jail free card. How many thousands of homeless people are there, struggling to live on the streets of Sweden while terrorists can jump back in and get a clean slate, and all the comforts they need? This is sick and wrong. I was going to make a joke about Stockholm syndrome but quite frankly I'm too disgusted to.

To be fair, this is hardly unprecedented. Many countries in the past have allowed defectors to join them, even if those defectors did bad things, and often pardoned them. I'm not sure the latter is a very sensible idea, though.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;49133729]We haven't had a good government party in ages. They're literally all idiots. Not even kidding. [/QUOTE] There's Sverigedemokraterna though.

I feel bad for Sweden. It used to be relatively praised, was it not?

[QUOTE=Wormy;49133892]Welp time to move to Norway.[/QUOTE] It's making me genuinely consider living in another country if this goes through.

So they really are doing this. Can't say I'm surprised. Let's bring in murdering pieces of shit and forgive them for all of the shit they have done. But let's not let my grandparents in who love Sweden. With the way things are going, my grandparents have a higher chance of getting citizenship here if they first go down to Syria and murder people. The fuck? [QUOTE=Glitchman;49133707]Why is Sweden so backwards I don't understand. Do they just hate themselves and their own country?[/QUOTE] White man's guilt: The Country.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49133711]Positive reinforcement. The defector has done the right thing, makes no sense to discourage that.[/QUOTE] In what kinda fantasy land do you live that you think that anyone who ever joined ISIS deserves a free chance to rebuild his life in Sweden while native Swedes get ignored in favor of actual terrorists?

[QUOTE=Lium;49133835]Are you for real? They left their country to embark on a jihad. To murder, rape and subjugate innocent people. Just because they eventually grew bored, or pissed off the wrong people doesn't mean they deserve a get out of jail free card. How many thousands of homeless people are there, struggling to live on the streets of Sweden while terrorists can jump back in and get a clean slate, and all the comforts they need? This is sick and wrong. I was going to make a joke about Stockholm syndrome but quite frankly I'm too disgusted to.[/QUOTE] disgusted eh. Very emotional. If someone goes to join ISIS and realise they've made a mistake, if they are offered no recourse they will be trapped there. Meaning stopping them from coming back causing ISIS to have more soldiers. The fact that people don't leave ISIS (because they can't) is also a morale victory for them. Alternative is give them an option to leave isis. Make them "poster childs" do interviews where they discourage people from joining, use them to get intel on isis. Show members of ISIS they have an option to leave. You would still OBVIOUSLY need to keep an eye on them. Far as I see it offering rehabilitation and using them against ISIS is objectively the better thing to do. The whole revenge bs yall pushing might make you feel better but it doesn't actually help fight ISIS. [editline]17th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jordax;49133956]In what kinda fantasy land do you live that you think that anyone who ever joined ISIS deserves a free chance to rebuild his life in Sweden while native Swedes get ignored in favor of actual terrorists?[/QUOTE] This is a fallacy. Where did I say "ignore native swedes" in preference these people? Where did native come from anyway? [sp] That native thing could stir up a whole new level to your outlook, by specifying native you are implying that native swedes are inherently worth something more than none native swedes? anyway different argument different day[/sp]

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49133711]Positive reinforcement. The defector has done the right thing, makes no sense to discourage that.[/QUOTE] And we meet again. It's truly saddening that you are actually this simplistic in your views. You do not see the obvious danger involved here, where ISIS-member will just say they have defected so they will be brought straight into Sweden, so they can commit acts of terrorism where it hurts? Seriously? Do you really think that people are at one point SO devout to the kill-unbelievers-cause that they are joining a group where they are willing to lay down their own lives, and that they just 'quit' one day because they think "oh well ill get me some housing then". And how about the swedish people, who simply do not WANT their taxmoney to pay for housing and lifesupport, THAT THEY THEMSELVES DO NOT GET FOR FREE of peole who have previously declared war against them?! This is the almost sickly-tolerance that I was talking about in the passport topic....

R.I.P. Sweden.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49133976]And we meet again. It's truly saddening that you are actually this simplistic in your views. You do not see the obvious danger involved here, where ISIS-member will just say they have defected so they will be brought straight into Sweden, so they can commit acts of terrorism where it hurts? Seriously? Do you really think that people are at one point SO devout to the kill-unbelievers-cause that they are joining a group where they are willing to lay down their own lives, and that they just 'quit' one day because they think "oh well ill get me some housing then".[/QUOTE] Where did I say bring them back and let them loose? I would advocate heavy survallaince and demand their cooperation in anti terrorist matters. Use their knowledge to target swedish terror cells. Don't be a dumbass intentionally.