you really think anyone about to sit here for 7 minutes of this
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[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;52056344]you really think anyone about to sit here for 7 minutes of this[/QUOTE]
If you actually finished it some good points are made.
I watched through it? Listen to it before you say something dumb.
And from her view on the whole studies it sounds like a collective circle jerk where if you disagree or try to raise a counterpoint you're pushed out and/or mocked until you're quiet. Personally, I think that's destructive for the academic mind to question everything, shame really.
What do any of you do with this information from this video? Discredit all of feminism? Validate your own viewpoints?
How does one semester at some fruity liberal college discredit the very real inequality women face in American society?
If you think sexism isn't a huge tumor in the American subconscious you obviously didn't notice the guy who is on tape admitting to sexually assaulting a woman beating out a highly qualified career politician during the 2016 election.
"I think that women are doing much better men currently."
Yeah I kinda had to stop 1 minute after that because it's basically self-anecdotal "i said something dumb so dumb feminists called me dumb so i'm not dumb they're dumb"
At the end she said that public schools have liberal leanings, I know this is easy to criticize, but that's anecdotal. In my high school I thought I may have been one of the few liberal people. Nearly everyone else that talked (selection bias I know) said boilerplate conservative points. Even one of my teachers just HAD to include that he didn't believe in evolution, but that he will teach it anyway. (he did a good job though).
see anecdotes are fact guys.
[QUOTE=patq911;52056410]At the end she said that public schools have liberal leanings, I know this is easy to criticize, but that's anecdotal. In my high school I thought I may have been one of the few liberal people. Nearly everyone else that talked (selection bias I know) said boilerplate conservative points. Even one of my teachers just HAD to include that he didn't believe in evolution, but that he will teach it anyway. (he did a good job though).
see anecdotes are fact guys.[/QUOTE]
No they arent facts, but they still encapsulate a persons experience and can be informative.
[B]Also I am a very liberal person believe it or not, (check my posts), I just found her personal story quite disheartening, and when added to other news stories like the berkley riots or the mizzou protests It makes me think college culture is becoming an echo chamber, so I felt like posting.
I dont have to agree with all her points, just some of them. Thats why I posted the video.[/B]
[editline]3rd April 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52056401]"I think that women are doing much better men currently."
Yeah I kinda had to stop 1 minute after that because it's basically self-anecdotal "i said something dumb so dumb feminists called me dumb so i'm not dumb they're dumb"[/QUOTE]
You are right, women are not doing better than men [B]In all situations[/B] men are doing better in some and women are doing better in others, and that was a stupid generalization on her part, however I do not think she is wrong about the overall college culture judging by many other stories and articles.
I will continue to believe this as long as "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings" are widely accepted in campus culture.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52056420]No they arent facts, but they still encapsulate a persons experience and can be informative.
Also I am a very liberal person believe it or not, (check my posts), I just found her personal story quite disheartening, and when added to other news stories like the berkley riots or the mizzou protests It makes me think college culture is becoming an echo chamber, so I felt like posting.
I dont have to agree with all her points, just some of them. Thats why I posted the video.[/QUOTE]
no I agree with some points as well. I don't have any experience in college so I don't know the extent of it. from what I hear there's a line of thought that people don't like to cross. that's ok for science, but for nebulous concepts like sociology one viewpoint is never enough. (whether her's or the class's)
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52056420]No they arent facts, but they still encapsulate a persons experience and can be informative.
Also I am a very liberal person believe it or not, (check my posts), I just found her personal story quite disheartening, and when added to other news stories like the berkley riots or the mizzou protests It makes me think college culture is becoming an echo chamber, so I felt like posting.
I dont have to agree with all her points, just some of them. Thats why I posted the video.[/QUOTE]
the equivalent of this reasoning is going into so shithole neighborhood in chicago , seeing drivebys, heroin injections, hookers snorting blow off a garbage can and going "wow gang culture is a problem in america"
what i'm trying to say is that gender studies classes is that shithole neighborhood in chicago
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056385]What do any of you do with this information from this video? Discredit all of feminism? Validate your own viewpoints?
How does one semester at some fruity liberal college discredit the very real inequality women face in American society?
If you think sexism isn't a huge tumor in the American subconscious you obviously didn't notice the guy who is on tape admitting to sexually assaulting a woman beating out a highly qualified career politician during the 2016 election.[/QUOTE]
He won because the inland industry cities were forgotten by the new service based economy, and the curtails of the cold war boom could no longer be ridden on, resulting in frustration of many Americans.
He also won due to lies and slander.
People were angry enough to look past the sexism he commited several years ago.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52056420]No they arent facts, but they still encapsulate a persons experience and can be informative.
[B]Also I am a very liberal person believe it or not, (check my posts), I just found her personal story quite disheartening, and when added to other news stories like the berkley riots or the mizzou protests It makes me think college culture is becoming an echo chamber, so I felt like posting.
I dont have to agree with all her points, just some of them. Thats why I posted the video.[/B]
[editline]3rd April 2017[/editline]
You are right, women are not doing better than men [B]In all situations[/B] men are doing better in some and women are doing better in others, and that was a stupid generalization on her part, however I do not think she is wrong about the overall college culture judging by many other stories and articles.
I will continue to believe this as long as "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings" are widely accepted in campus culture.[/QUOTE]
Radical schools of thought have always existed. I would much rather have a safe space for sexual assault victims / minority groups or a more thoughtful faculty than christian campuses who ban homosexual acts, or expelling women from school for being raped.
[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/03/the-lgbt-politics-of-christian-colleges/473373/[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/health/brigham-young-university-rape/[/url]
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/byus-honor-code-is-making-victims-of-sexual-assault-afraid-to-tell-police-2016-4[/url]
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52056430]the equivalent of this reasoning is going into so shithole neighborhood in chicago , seeing drivebys, heroin injections, hookers snorting blow off a garbage can and going "wow gang culture is a problem in america"
what i'm trying to say is that gender studies classes are those drive bys, heroin injections, and hookers snorting blow.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly the same thing, considering how well documented and widespread this is, I can list article after article, and they arent all from right wing sources. I can provide twitter videos, youtube videos, and facebook posts from student groups.
Its pretty common now, a lot more than extreme examples in my opinion.
[editline]3rd April 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056437]Radical schools of thought have always existed. I would much rather have a safe space for sexual assault victims / minority groups or a more thoughtful faculty than christian campuses who ban homosexual acts, or being expelled from school for being raped.
[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/03/the-lgbt-politics-of-christian-colleges/473373/[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/health/brigham-young-university-rape/[/url][/QUOTE]
This is true, however to the common student and professor these extreme views are becoming normalized because they fly under the guise of nice words like "Equality" and "justice"
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52056439]Not exactly the same thing, considering how well documented and widespread this is, I can list article after article, and they arent all from right wing sources. I can provide twitter videos, youtube videos, and facebook posts from student groups.
Its pretty common now, a lot more than extreme examples in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I tried being funny and my point suffered.
Gender Studies schools are some of the most hard left-wing circlejerks ever so it's no surprise that they contain hecklers.
It's like going into an economics course and being surprised with the amount of right-wingers in that course and then applying that crowd to the entirety of your uni.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52056448]I tried being funny and my point suffered.
Gender Studies schools are some of the most hard left-wing circlejerks ever so it's no surprise that they contain hecklers.
It's like going into an economics course and being surprised with the amount of right-wingers in that course and then applying that crowd to the entirety of your uni.[/QUOTE]
They arent specific schools, most colleges offer them as well as regular courses.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52056439]This is true, however to the common student and professor these extreme views are becoming normalized because they fly under the guise of nice words like "Equality" and "justice"[/QUOTE]
Well not really, I go to a very liberal university and I have never been harassed by anyone nor has anyone I know been harassed by these "radical SJWs" because they are an extremely small majority. These extreme instances of liberalism seem like an every day thing because media can become viral and we can access any content that can valid any viewpoint. Most people just want to be respected for their identities.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52056433]He won because the inland industry cities were forgotten by the new service based economy, and the curtails of the cold war boom could no longer be ridden on, resulting in frustration of many Americans.
He also won due to lies and slander.
People were angry enough to look past the sexism he commited several years ago.[/QUOTE]
This is what I am talking about, the fact people were able to overlook sexual assault on women is like justifying that "people were angry enough to look past his pedophile he committed several years ago." The argument just doesn't work the same does it nor would people be able to just "look past it".
I'm not trying to shit on you Firetornado, I know you're trying to spread awareness about the issues of universities being too left-wing sometimes, but this isn't the right way to go about doing it.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056456]Well not really, I go to a very liberal university and I have never been harassed by anyone nor has anyone I know been harassed by these "radical SJWs" because they are an extremely small majority. These extreme instances of liberalism seem like an every day thing because media can become viral and we can access any content that can valid any viewpoint. Most people just want to be respected for their identities.[/QUOTE]
This is a good point.
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[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52056457]I'm not trying to shit on you Firetornado, I know you're trying to spread awareness about the issues of universities being too left-wing sometimes, but this isn't the right way to go about doing it.[/QUOTE]
fair enough.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52056472]I'm not trying to shit on you either, but I would be careful where and who you get information from if you want to drive this point.
Criticizing the left/feminism/etc and not being careful can get you mixed into people with bad intentions and worse understandings of how the world works.[/QUOTE]
Believe me, Ive seen it first hand.
[B]Short Storytime:[/B]
I have this friend, we've known each other since the 6th grade, we are juniors in hs now.
during our freshmen year He got really into that whole "anti sjw" thing and subscribed/reccomended videos to me made by sargon of akkad, chris ray gun, etc. pretty mild stuff so whatever
kept getting more and more extreme with it, I thought it was weird how sensational he was so I stopped hanging out with him for a while.
See him after school the other day, ask him how hes been.
Within 15 minutes our conversation gets into mild politics.
He starts going on about how the UN only exists to spread a globalist agenda of one world government, and [B]Literally recommends infowars to me[/B]
made me mad/sad
You are right, it is probably not as bad as the media makes it out to be, I should be careful not to listen to the vocal minority.
[QUOTE=Berman Slick;52056491]She's not entirely wrong though[/QUOTE]
I mean when you get down to it, women can benefit from archaic attitudes about women, about how they're the primary caretaker and the father is just there to give money and provide.
In some aspects, women are held higher than men but in general that isn't the case.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52056515]I mean when you get down to it, women can benefit from archaic attitudes about women, about how they're the primary caretaker and the father is just there to give money and provide.
In some aspects, women are held higher than men but in general that isn't the case.[/QUOTE]
You've never babysat a child if you think women benefit from a mongoloid crawling out of your vagina and having to take care of it for 18 years. I would much rather earn then have to clean, cook, and sit in the house every day of my life until my child grows up and I find out I have no useful skills or career opportunities that I could pursue after the fact.
Perceived benefits of being a women like "women don't have to work" or "women get to have sex with anyone they want" should really be stated more like "women aren't expected to want to have careers" and "women are treated like sex objects"
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056535]You've never babysat a child if you think women benefit from a mongoloid crawling out of your vagina and having to take care of it for 18 years. I would much ready rather earn then have to clean, cook, and sit in the house every day of my life until my child grows up and I find out I have no useful skills or career opportunities that I could pursue after the fact.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, quite a few seem to benefit emotionally for it. For some that's just kinda what they want to be in life.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056437]Radical schools of thought have always existed. I would much rather have a safe space for sexual assault victims / minority groups or a more thoughtful faculty than christian campuses who ban homosexual acts, or expelling women from school for being raped.
[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/03/the-lgbt-politics-of-christian-colleges/473373/[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/health/brigham-young-university-rape/[/url]
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/byus-honor-code-is-making-victims-of-sexual-assault-afraid-to-tell-police-2016-4[/url][/QUOTE]
and you tell me why exactly does everything have to be a hyperbole? you are part of the problem
[QUOTE=Egevened;52056550]and you tell me why exactly does everything have to be a hyperbole? you are part of the problem[/QUOTE]
Those articles are literally instances of homosexual acts being banned from campuses and women being expelled from a school I used to go to (Brigham Young University) because they broke the honor code by staying late in some boy's dorm room and while they were there they were sexually assaulted, when they spoke out or talked to police they were expelled from school.
Tell me how I was being hyperbolic?
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056535]You've never babysat a child if you think women benefit from a mongoloid crawling out of your vagina and having to take care of it for 18 years. I would much rather earn then have to clean, cook, and sit in the house every day of my life until my child grows up and I find out I have no useful skills or career opportunities that I could pursue after the fact.
Perceived benefits of being a women like "women don't have to work" or "women get to have sex with anyone they want" should really be stated more like "women aren't expected to want to have careers" and "women are treated like sex objects"[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about in cases of child custody and child support. Since women are seen as caretakers (a politically correct term for careerless sex objects, if you will) they have a higher chance of receiving custody.
And really that's all I can think of.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056535]You've never babysat a child if you think women benefit from a mongoloid crawling out of your vagina and having to take care of it for 18 years. I would much rather earn then have to clean, cook, and sit in the house every day of my life until my child grows up and I find out I have no useful skills or career opportunities that I could pursue after the fact.
Perceived benefits of being a women like "women don't have to work" or "women get to have sex with anyone they want" should really be stated more like "women aren't expected to want to have careers" and "women are treated like sex objects"[/QUOTE]
I honestly have to wonder what your experience growing up was like for you to come to these kinds of conclusions. It's so far removed from the reality that I've experienced.
[editline]3rd April 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056437]Radical schools of thought have always existed. I would much rather have a safe space for sexual assault victims / minority groups or a more thoughtful faculty than christian campuses who ban homosexual acts, or expelling women from school for being raped.
[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/03/the-lgbt-politics-of-christian-colleges/473373/[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/health/brigham-young-university-rape/[/url]
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/byus-honor-code-is-making-victims-of-sexual-assault-afraid-to-tell-police-2016-4[/url][/QUOTE]
This is a false dichotomy. We can have neither.
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056535]You've never babysat a child if you think women benefit from a mongoloid crawling out of your vagina and having to take care of it for 18 years. I would much rather earn then have to clean, cook, and sit in the house every day of my life until my child grows up and I find out I have no useful skills or career opportunities that I could pursue after the fact.
Perceived benefits of being a women like "women don't have to work" or "women get to have sex with anyone they want" should really be stated more like "women aren't expected to want to have careers" and "women are treated like sex objects"[/QUOTE]
Breast cancer is treated more seriously and is more
Publicly funded despite prostate cancer in men being just as common
There are hundreds of thousands of abuse cases in the United States commited by little girls against little boys that got unanswered because it is assumed he girl would never do that
There is a movie in theatres right now about some female comedians accidentally killing a male prostitute and playing with the body, imagine the outrage if it was the other way around.
Men are discriminated against more frequently in divorce cases, often loosing custody of their kids
As a man I can not go play with a child in public, because it is seen as creepy, however most of the time people do not find this to be true for women
Men are sent to go die in war, women are exempt yet just as capable.
If a woman is raped she is comforted and believed more often than men who come out after being raped.
It is seen as weak for a man to cry in public but not a woman.
There are several court cases where women have physically attacked men and the jury found her not guilty, but he was charged with harassment or assault.
Women have been shown in multiple studies to be 90% less likely to be homeless
Dont try to argue that there is no sexism both ways.
Of course women have it worse than men in most situations, But not all.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52056740]Breast cancer is treated more seriously and is more
Publicly funded despite prostate cancer in men being just as common
There are hundreds of thousands of abuse cases in the United States commited by little girls against little boys that got unanswered because it is assumed he girl would never do that
There is a movie in theatres right now about some female comedians accidentally killing a male prostitute and playing with the body, imagine the outrage if it was the other way around.
Men are discriminated against more frequently in divorce cases, often loosing custody of their kids
As a man I can not go play with a child in public, because it is seen as creepy, however most of the time people do not find this to be true for women
Men are sent to go die in war, women are exempt yet just as capable.
If a woman is raped she is comforted and believed more often than men who come out after being raped.
It is seen as weak for a man to cry in public but not a woman.
There are several court cases where women have physically attacked men and the jury found her not guilty, but he was charged with harassment or assault.
Dont try to argue that there is no sexism both ways.
Of course women have it worse than men in most situations, But not all.[/QUOTE]
And the funny thing is that (of course you're not anti-feminist) is that feminism aims to fix all this.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52056758]And the funny thing is that (of course you're not anti-feminist) is that feminism aims to fix all this.[/QUOTE]
I would argue that older waves of feminism in the western world did try to fix this, and that modern third world feminist movements are positive.
However I do not believe that modern American feminist groups, with a few exceptions, are actively trying to achieve these goals.
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They aren't trying to fix this:[IMG]http://imgur.com/QlbHzoj[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Q46OoaK.jpg[/IMG]
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[video]https://youtu.be/YLiaWhbanBc[/video]
[QUOTE=Llamalord;52056385]
If you think sexism isn't a huge tumor in the American subconscious you obviously didn't notice the guy who is on tape admitting to sexually assaulting a woman beating out a highly qualified career politician during the 2016 election.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure if Trump admitted to physically assaulting someone or insulting someone it still wouldn't have mattered.
Don't make "sexual assault" a bigger issue than it is.
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