[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/29/israel-prime-minister-kurdish-independence[/url]
[quote]The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has voiced support for Kurdish statehood, taking a position that appears to clash with the US preference to keep sectarian war-torn Iraq united.
Pointing to the mayhem in Iraq, Netanyahu on Sunday called for the establishment of an independent Kurdistan as part of a broader alliance with moderate forces across the region, adding that Israel would have to maintain a long-term military presence in the West Bank even after any future peace agreement with the Palestinians.
Netanyahu laid out his positions in a policy speech that marked his most detailed response to the gains made by Sunni extremists fighting in Iraq. His endorsement of Kurdish independence, as well as his tough position on the West Bank, put him at odds with prevailing international opinion.[/quote]
Live reaction from Facepunch:
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/wk5i.gif[/img]
Is that the image from the episode with the Palestinian chicken place?
I'd be cool with it.
Yeah, honestly it would be a good step towards stabilizing the Middle East.
Nothing I can really say, as stupid as he has sounded in the past Netanyahu is actually saying what I have been saying for a long time.
the .gif sums it up.
"It's not Iran so it's good enough for us!"
[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;45250025]"It's not Iran so it's good enough for us!"[/QUOTE]
More like "It's not Palestine so it's good for us!"
Israel has long backed Kurdish rebels as part of their plan to divide and create unrest in the Middle East (they see it to their advantage if they just keep fighting each other) and have expressed this even recently when telling Obama to back off Iraq (so [URL="http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/israel-pm-netanyahu-urges-us-not-to-work-with-iran-to-stabilise-iraq-30375962.html"]they can be divided[/URL]).
The Kurds should clearly be independent but the only reason Israel has backed Kurds while they bombed civilian centers in Turkey and elsewhere in their demand for a state is because of the ensuing instability associated with it. The article adds this purposely right after Netanyahu mentions his support for a state "adding that Israel would have to maintain a long-term military presence in the West Bank even after any future peace agreement with the Palestinians." because it is showing the hypocrisy of Netanyahu's statements. He can't genuinely support a Kurdish state as it uses 'terrorism' to express its concerns for a Kurdish State while he brutally represses Palestinians and refuses to give them a state under the guise of 'terrorism'.
I wonder how long it'd take for the Kurdish state to see Israel as an enemy. Political entities spawned by Israel in the past a an attempt to divide their enemies have always backfired ([URL="http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847"]Hamas was to initially to divide the PLO[/URL]).
The Kurds deserve their own state, but to see politically-neutral Israel take up a disguised stance to destabilize the Middle East under the image of genuineness is another demonstration of the bullshit Israel pulls.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45250047]The Kurds deserve their own state, but to see politically-neutral Israel take up a disguised stance to destabilize the Middle East under the image of genuineness is another demonstration of the bullshit Israel pulls.[/QUOTE]You can't really blame them for taking this approach if you fully understand their mindset, the same one they've had since like 1960. Pretty much all of the Israeli government acts like there's going to be just some random invasion by all of the Middle East, they've taken a persecution complex and turned it into a government policy.
Everything Israel does is this huge, concentrated effort to undermine anyone that could possibly not like them.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45250047]
The Kurds deserve their own state, but to see politically-neutral Israel take up a disguised stance to destabilize the Middle East under the image of genuineness is another demonstration of the bullshit Israel pulls.[/QUOTE]
So if Israel didn't support a Kurdish state, would you be saying "Oh those damn Israelis are there to undermine the sanctity of the Middle East and it's going to ruin everything", or what
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45250321]So if Israel didn't support a Kurdish state, would you be saying "Oh those damn Israelis are there to undermine the sanctity of the Middle East and it's going to ruin everything", or what[/QUOTE]
If Israel supports something, that is a good enough reason to consider it suspect.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45250321]So if Israel didn't support a Kurdish state, would you be saying "Oh those damn Israelis are there to undermine the sanctity of the Middle East and it's going to ruin everything", or what[/QUOTE]
Israel never voices concern for anything domestically in the Middle East, so I wouldn't care. They only do if is a self-centered reason that always has severe underlying consequences.
It makes sense. The weaker the Arabs are, the safer Israel is.
I don't think there is ever a thread where starpluck isn't bashing Israel. Like a thread could be about people watching world cup in Israel and it'll end up with rants about Palestine
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;45250542]I don't think there is ever a thread where starpluck isn't bashing Israel. Like a thread could be about people watching world cup in Israel and it'll end up with rants about Palestine[/QUOTE]
It is already obvious you support Israel but you could express it in less subtle ways that actually compromise of you putting in effort in refuting what I said. If not then don't bother with dumb fake arguments.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45250047]stuff[/QUOTE]
Who would have expected; a country to acting and supporting its own interests!
It's not as if every other country in Israel's position would not do the same.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45250610]It is already obvious you support Israel but you could express it in less subtle ways that actually compromise of you putting in effort in refuting what I said. If not then don't bother with dumb fake arguments.[/QUOTE]
Yes, someone points out that you constantly complain about Israel.
Obviously a fake argument shill.
it would be a good thing for the kurds to get their own state, even if one disagrees with israel ulterior motives, kurds have been fucked historically so much, its would be funny if it wasn't tragic.
[QUOTE=Thlis;45250627]Yes, someone points out that you constantly complain about Israel.
Obviously a fake argument shill.[/QUOTE]
Being anti-Starpluck apparently means pro-Israel.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45250610]It is already obvious you support Israel but you could express it in less subtle ways that actually compromise of you putting in effort in refuting what I said. If not then don't bother with dumb fake arguments.[/QUOTE]
Its getting frustrating when you have to derail threads because you had to rant about Israel/Palestine all the time. Too bad nothing can be done cause you're a mod.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45250621]Who would have expected; a country to acting and supporting its own interests!
It's not as if every other country in Israel's position would not do the same.[/QUOTE]
B-but the Nazi Zionist Judaic Overlords of Israel j-just want to rule the middle east BUT MY PROTOCOLS OF ZIOOOON
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;45250752]Its getting frustrating when you have to derail threads because you had to rant about Israel/Palestine all the time. Too bad nothing can be done cause you're a mod.[/QUOTE]
starpluck brought a legitimate argument to a thread that was completely on topic.
Deal with it? Sounds like you are the one derailing
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;45250752]Its getting frustrating when you have to derail threads because you had to rant about Israel/Palestine all the time. Too bad nothing can be done cause you're a mod.[/QUOTE]
How is his comment off-topic? How is this the same as posting something critical of Israel on a 'Post your desktop' thread?
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45250047]
The Kurds deserve their own state, but to see politically-neutral Israel take up a disguised stance to destabilize the Middle East under the image of genuineness is another demonstration of the bullshit Israel pulls.[/QUOTE]
To echo what Emperor Scorpious was saying, what would you expect Isreal to do differently here?
during the course of Israels existence, any time the Muslim middle east wasn't at war with itself, it was at war with Israel.
until religious violence calms down in the middle east (probably not happening any time soon), doesnt it make sense for Israel to keep attention pointed away from them?
A relatively unified middle east is the last thing they want from a security standpoint, thats exactly the sort of political climate that preceded the Six-Day War/Yom Kippur War
[editline]30th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45250342]Israel never voices concern for anything domestically in the Middle East, so I wouldn't care. [B]They only do if is a self-centered reason[/B] that always has severe underlying consequences.[/QUOTE]
And isnt this what a government [I]should[/I] be doing? I would be surprised/concerned if my government decided to start acting in the best interest of Canada instead of acting in the best interest of the people they govern
I wonder how long the supposed ceasefire between kurd and ISIS will last once they catch word that Israel supports them.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
