Chicago Police Sergeant: "Tribal Warfare" On The Streets - Polidicks

[quote](CBS News) CHICAGO - Chicago is in the grips of a deadly gang war. At least 275 people have been killed in the city so far this year and many more have been shot, many of them innocent bystanders to the gang violence. Among the latest victims were 12- and 13-year-old girls shot Tuesday night. They survived. Sgt. Matt Little leads one of the teams in Chicago's Gang Enforcement Unit. There are about 200 such officers in the city-- versus 100,000 gang members. "Almost all the violence we're seeing now is from the gangs," Little said. "When there's a shooting we'll respond to the shooting. We'll figure out where we believe the most likely area for retaliation is and we'll work that area trying to both prevent retaliation and possibly build a case on offenders." CBS News rode along with Little's team as dusk fell on poor neighborhoods of vacant lots and high anxiety. "The gangs have lost their hierarchy, so to speak, and without a chain of command, there's really nobody keeping things in check," Little said. The leaders are mostly in prison -- or dead. Those left are young, reckless, and often terrible shots. In Chicago hospital, "collateral damage" of gang war never subsides Emanuel: Chicago's escalating crime about "values" Chicagoans trapped between heat and crime "Instead of a bullet with somebody's name on it, we have a bullet that reads 'To whom it may concern,'" Little said. The result is a spate of shootings that have killed or wounded young children, even toddlers. The victims include 7-year old Heaven Sutton, at left, shot to death selling candy outside her house. Ten-year old Kitanna Peterson, at left, was playing by a fire hydrant when she was shot last week. A stray bullet went through her wrist and abdomen. "We care about the grandmother that lives in the Graystone who's raising her grandkids. We care about the guy who's a hard-working stiff who gets up in the morning and works two jobs," Little said. The police are also establishing a data base gleaned from interviews with the gang members themselves -- on their whereabouts, grudges or habits -- to anticipate trouble before it erupts. Some businesses that serve as hideouts will also be shuttered. Little responds to a man with a gun call. In just two hours, we witnessed repeated stops, searches and arrests. "They are smart enough and savvy enough to have people run interference, to have plausible stories, to have a whole system of things they can bring up to try to interfere with us doing our jobs," Little said. "They know we're out there and that has an effect on what they're willing to do." He sees the same people "all the time." Sgt. Little is a decorated veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan. He said that parts of Chicago are comparable to what he saw in combat. It's "tribal warfare," he said, "and as it continues to build unless we manage to interdict it, and manage to stop it long enough for the blood to stop boiling, the heat to die down."[/quote] [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57470618/chicago-police-sergeant-tribal-warfare-on-the-streets[/url]

275 deaths and its only July. Things must be real bad over there.

well fuck I walked about 3 miles in chicago 2 days ago, going to do it again today though on the pretty much safe north side. I commute there every day so blah.

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;36737636]275 deaths and its only July. Things must be real bad over there.[/QUOTE] Chicago is awful, it's super dangerous and now it's just another hub of crime in Illinois.

I wish that gangs still had some sense of respect and honor. I hate to glorify old organized crime but at least they where more careful and less children were gunned down.

The horrifying thing about this? Chicago has some of of the most strict gun-control laws in the US.

[QUOTE=imptastick;36738359]I wish that gangs still had some sense of respect and honor. I hate to glorify old organized crime but at least they where more careful and less children were gunned down.[/QUOTE] i doubt organized crime is any different today than it was then

[QUOTE=Bobie;36738393]i doubt organized crime is any different today than it was then[/QUOTE] Organized crime used to be more centered around a smaller number of mob type crime "families" and most of their crime was non-violent. Now there are more gangs than there is territory to support, leading to massive amounts of violent gang warfare, plus new gangs use more fire power and younger people. Also like the article mentioned a majority of gangs no longer have a "leader" that is not dead or in prison to keep their members under control.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36738385]The horrifying thing about this? Chicago has some of of the most strict gun-control laws in the US.[/QUOTE] dealers here will user some pretty crazy shit, Colt 9mm SMGs and crap. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=imptastick;36738464]Organized crime used to be more centered around a smaller number of mob type crime "families" and most of their crime was non-violent. Now there are more gangs than there is territory to support, leading to massive amounts of violent gang warfare, plus new gangs use more fire power and younger people. Also like the article mentioned a majority of gangs no longer have a "leader" that is not dead or in prison to keep their members under control.[/QUOTE] this pretty much

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[QUOTE=imptastick;36738464]Organized crime used to be more centered around a smaller number of mob type crime "families" and most of their crime was non-violent. Now there are more gangs than there is territory to support, leading to massive amounts of violent gang warfare, plus new gangs use more fire power and younger people. Also like the article mentioned a majority of gangs no longer have a "leader" that is not dead or in prison to keep their members under control.[/QUOTE] a boost of population count in a small, cramped, neglected area is likely to cause this however. when guns, drugs and death are so common for people living or growing up in that area it is the lifestyle they are likely to adopt; i wouldn't call this organized crime but instead the result of borderline poverty in a first world country i was referring more to organized crime today compared to htat of back then

[QUOTE=Bobie;36738566]a boost of population count in a small, cramped, neglected area is likely to cause this however. when guns, drugs and death are so common for people living or growing up in that area it is the lifestyle they are likely to adopt; i wouldn't call this organized crime but instead the result of borderline poverty in a first world country i was referring more to organized crime today compared to htat of back then[/QUOTE] I agree, I misunderstood and thought you were comparing them to today's street gangs.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36738611]while it was composed of "families", they were still pretty fucking violent they extorted local business owners for a cut of the money they paid off police whenever they killed someone, and if they couldn't, they killed the police there is a lot more shit but the old gangsters are only different from the new ones in that they had a different taste in music and clothing[/QUOTE] At least they had at least some form of order. Yes they killed people, but nothing like at the levels street gangs do today. Today gang members will shoot indiscriminately, people have been gunned down for wearing the wrong color or using sign language. Not to mention in areas were Racial gangs are at war you can be gunned down for being Black or Hispanic and living on the wrong side of a street sign. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] Here is an episode of gangland (I know not the greatest source but still relevant) that shows how gangs are using violence against all people of a certain race as a way to gain territory. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUUo-NVTPq8[/media]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36738313]Chicago is awful, it's super dangerous and now it's just another hub of crime in Illinois.[/QUOTE] The North side is fine. But you're right about the South and West sides. [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36738385]The horrifying thing about this? Chicago has some of of the most strict gun-control laws in the US.[/QUOTE] I'm glad that the Supreme Court overturned the pistol ban though. That shit was downright Unconstitutional. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] Also, "tribal warfare" is kind of racist seeing as most of the crime is committed by... Black people.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36739094]The North side is fine. But you're right about the South and West sides.[/QUOTE]Loop, North/South/West Loop, South Side up to the Stevenson, and [i]most[/i] of the North Side are fairly safe thanks (unfortunately) to gentrification.

[QUOTE=Political Gamer;36739176]Loop, North/South/West Loop, South Side up to the Stevenson, and [i]most[/i] of the North Side are fairly safe thanks (unfortunately) to gentrification.[/QUOTE] is there not an east side

[QUOTE=Dori;36739210]is there not an east side[/QUOTE] The East Side is underwater.

[QUOTE=Dori;36739210]is there not an east side[/QUOTE] it's called lake michigan

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36739094]Also, "tribal warfare" is kind of racist seeing as most of the crime is committed by... Black people.[/QUOTE] because all tribes are black

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36739094]Also, "tribal warfare" is kind of racist seeing as most of the crime is committed by... Black people.[/QUOTE] Stop looking at everything through the spectrum of race. If you intentionally look for racism, you're going to find it.

[QUOTE=That Poster;36739780]Stop looking at everything through the spectrum of race. If you intentionally look for racism, you're going to find it.[/QUOTE] Coffee is racist, almost no one likes black coffee, you have to add white stuff to it. Printer paper is racist, no one uses black printer paper. Apple is racist, their computers are white and cost more. The M16 is racist, it's black and it kills people. (likewise, if it's camo, it's TAN and it kills people. True terrorist) Butter is racist, it's yellow and it's weak. Blackboards are racist, white chalk creates things, black erasers destroy. [sp]if you think I'm serious you're an idiot[/sp]

north side may not be as safe as you all think. a while ago i was walking down state st to get to union station and i saw a shooting. scariest thing i've ever seen in my life [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] actually i take that back not the scariest thing cause i've been on the el past midnight

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;36740872]north side may not be as safe as you all think. a while ago i was walking down state st to get to union station and i saw a shooting. scariest thing i've ever seen in my life [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] actually i take that back not the scariest thing cause i've been on the el past midnight[/QUOTE] there's definitely sketchy people up north but shootings are more rare

2 Doctors got mugged at Northwestern Hospital (A world class hospital in a very nice area) and a gangster was shot in his car on Michigan Avenue a few weeks ago. Chicago's going to hell and the mayor Rahm Emanuel's answer was to shut down the Gang Crimes Unit of the CPD and try to pass laws closing Liquor stores. I hate to say it, but crime waves like this would have been dealt with brutally and quickly under mayor Daley. The mayor's the problem with this city, I'm glad I moved out when I did.

[QUOTE=Dori;36739210]is there not an east side[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=King Tiger;36739269]The East Side is underwater.[/QUOTE] TECHNICALLY there is no East Side but there's a south eastern area that is pretty damn shitty. I forgot the exact name but you need to take 94EAST to get to it. [QUOTE=BrownTown;36741435]2 Doctors got mugged at Northwestern Hospital (A world class hospital in a very nice area) and a gangster was shot in his car on Michigan Avenue a few weeks ago. Chicago's going to hell and the mayor Rahm Emanuel's answer was to shut down the Gang Crimes Unit of the CPD and try to pass laws closing Liquor stores. I hate to say it, but crime waves like this would have been dealt with brutally and quickly under mayor Daley. The mayor's the problem with this city, I'm glad I moved out when I did.[/QUOTE] I have no feelings for gangsters, I hope CPD will bust their shit down.

dis isnt tribal worfore its just kids havin fun

[QUOTE=BrownTown;36741435]2 Doctors got mugged at Northwestern Hospital (A world class hospital in a very nice area) and a gangster was shot in his car on Michigan Avenue a few weeks ago. Chicago's going to hell and the mayor Rahm Emanuel's answer was to shut down the Gang Crimes Unit of the CPD and try to pass laws closing Liquor stores. I hate to say it, but crime waves like this would have been dealt with brutally and quickly under mayor Daley. The mayor's the problem with this city, I'm glad I moved out when I did.[/QUOTE] Probably, Emanuel seems to be going with a policing strategy that's a lot more "soft"

[QUOTE=BrownTown;36741435]2 Doctors got mugged at Northwestern Hospital (A world class hospital in a very nice area) and a gangster was shot in his car on Michigan Avenue a few weeks ago. Chicago's going to hell and the mayor Rahm Emanuel's answer was to shut down the Gang Crimes Unit of the CPD and try to pass laws closing Liquor stores. I hate to say it, but crime waves like this would have been dealt with brutally and quickly under mayor Daley. The mayor's the problem with this city, I'm glad I moved out when I did.[/QUOTE] then daley would probably do something along the lines of accept money from said gangsters to leave them alone

I thought maybe I could go back to Chicago for a while and go out instead of being stuck in my room here, I live in Southwest in Chicago. :/

[QUOTE=BrownTown;36741435]2 Doctors got mugged at Northwestern Hospital (A world class hospital in a very nice area) and a gangster was shot in his car on Michigan Avenue a few weeks ago. Chicago's going to hell and the mayor Rahm Emanuel's answer was to shut down the Gang Crimes Unit of the CPD and try to pass laws closing Liquor stores. I hate to say it, but crime waves like this would have been dealt with brutally and quickly under mayor Daley. The mayor's the problem with this city, I'm glad I moved out when I did.[/QUOTE] That's right in the middle of Downtown. Christ, now everywhere's going to shit.