Man and Woman are Caned Under Sharia Law in Indonesia for Being ‘Seen in Close Proximity’ - Polidicks

[url]http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1928645-woman-collapses-in-agony-as-she-and-a-man-are-caned-under-sharia-law-in-indonesia-for-being-seen-in-close-proximity/[/url] [QUOTE]Hundreds of people watched outside a mosque in Indonesia to see a woman and a man being caned. Warning: Images may be disturbing to some. Cheers went up as a masked man caned the woman, as a punishment for being “seen in close proximity” to a man she wasn’t married to, under Sharia law.[/QUOTE] "Allah" forbid that two friends are close to each other. Fucking sharia law is bullshit. 2015 and people are still doing this.

Fuck human rights violations.

no words for this bullshit

I can't open the page So what is caning

[QUOTE=Scorpo;49414845]I can't open the page So what is caning[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning[/url] [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] Why not boycott and set trade embargoes countries that do this? Not like this is Saudi, who has our oil. We did the same with Cuba for much less.

This is from the province of Aceh, which is the only part of Indonesia to apply Sharia in full. This does not represent the entirety of Indonesia, though I find it odd that the government allows a district to act independently. I don't know how Indonesia's government works federally

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49414868]This is from the province of Aceh, which is the only part of Indonesia to apply Sharia in full. This does not represent the entirety of Indonesia, though I find it odd that the government allows a district to act independently. I don't know how Indonesia's government works federally[/QUOTE] Their government has the power to stop this. Embargo their ass for human rights abuses.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49414850][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning[/url] [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] Why not boycott and set trade embargoes countries that do this? Not like this is Saudi, who has our oil. We did the same with Cuba for much less.[/QUOTE] oh damn Atleast she didn't get stoned to death

[QUOTE]The brigade has previously declared that children as young as nine should be married and that women should obey men–their masters–and remain “hidden and veiled” at all times.[/QUOTE] And Indonesias worst part isn't even the worst in the world.

ironically i just came back from an indonesian-american convention and one of the talks had the point "there is nothing wrong with different sexes interacting, as long as it doesn't escalate in the wrong direction"

[QUOTE=elitehakor;49414925]ironically i just came back from an indonesian-american convention and one of the talks had the point "there is nothing wrong with different sexes interacting, as long as it doesn't escalate in the wrong direction"[/QUOTE] That's what they tell visitors.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49414942]That's what they tell visitors.[/QUOTE] m8 i'm indonesian [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] pretty sure there is no hadith or quran verse saying "if ur near a woman that isn't related to you you'll get caned!!" this is just dumb extremists applying a dumb law of their own and calling it sharia

[QUOTE=elitehakor;49414986]m8 i'm indonesian [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] pretty sure there is no hadith or quran verse saying "if ur near a woman that isn't related to you you'll get caned!!" this is just dumb extremists applying a dumb law of their own and calling it sharia[/QUOTE] Any idea why Indonesia allows this then?

fuck if i know. it's a horrendously corrupt country so i wouldn't be surprised if rich extremist dudes in aceh are paying off govt dudes to turn a blind eye to this

[QUOTE=elitehakor;49414986]m8 i'm indonesian [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] pretty sure there is no hadith or quran verse saying "if ur near a woman that isn't related to you you'll get caned!!" this is just dumb extremists applying a dumb law of their own and calling it sharia[/QUOTE] Hundreds of people cheered so I guess quite a few people hold the belief. [QUOTE]The Islamic State recently murdered a woman who was breastfeeding her son under the cover of her burqa in public for “violating public decency” under the law, reported the Sunday Times. The all-female ISIS police brigade al-Khansaa reportedly mutilated the mother before killing her. [/QUOTE] Of course "decency" is pretty open to interpretation.

it's easy for lazy people to just go "hey this doesn't seem right... oh it's sharia? ok" and never read more into it. i'm sure just as many people if not more thought that this was wrong.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49415056]Hundreds of people cheered so I guess quite a few people hold the belief. Of course "decency" is pretty open to interpretation.[/QUOTE] Hundreds, if not more, trump supporters cheer for all sorts of racist stuff as well. Yet i know that those beliefs are not held by all Americans. Don't get me wrong, I am completely against this. Stupid people are everywhere, but remember that they usually arent the majority nor serve as basis to judge whole nations

To be clear, the apprehension and caning for khalwat (close proximity) is exclusive to sharia law in Malaysia and Indonesia. No other Muslim countries allow state religious police to arrest and punish people for khalwat. Aceh is the only area in Indonesia that enforces these punishments. Punishments for breaking sharia law are variable - the law almost exclusively dictates behavior, not how or if you should be punished for not following the law. Muslims in other countries simply do not even use the term khalwat in relation to punishment.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49415219]To be clear, the apprehension and caning for khalwat (close proximity) is exclusive to sharia law in Malaysia and Indonesia. No other Muslim countries allow state religious police to arrest and punish people for khalwat. Aceh is the only area in Indonesia that enforces these punishments. Punishments for breaking sharia law are variable - the law almost exclusively dictates behavior, not how or if you should be punished for not following the law. Muslims in other countries simply do not even use the term khalwat in relation to punishment.[/QUOTE] Sharia law is still evil no matter how you look at it.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49415258]Sharia law is still evil no matter how you look at it.[/QUOTE] That's simply fearful and ignorant of what you don't understand. I am friends with several Muslim people, most of whom are fairly liberal, and they've all explained sharia law to me. From a non-religious-conservative-extremist perspective, it's almost identical to christian moral law, except instead of being vague and undefined it's a more direct "law." Adultery is wrong by christian moral law. Adultery is wrong by muslim moral law. The punishments vary according to sect and group and interpretation and government and time period - liberal muslims look at people caning people for being friends with someone of the opposite sex in the same way liberal christians look at conservative evangelicals sending their kids to anti-gay re-education camps that beat them. Disgust. There are many interpretations of the Quran in the same way there are for the Bible. Saying that it's "evil" is not an argument, it's an appeal to fear and emotion that doesn't even look at the actual content of sharia law. I wouldn't willingly subject myself to sharia law, but I know several people who do out of religious belief. What happens when they have a beer or have sex out of wedlock? they feel bad. End of. That's sharia law - [i]the government mandating punishments for failing to follow sharia law[/i] is bad. Sharia law is not.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49415335] I am friends with several Muslim people, most of whom are fairly liberal, and they've all explained sharia law to me. From a non-religious-conservative-extremist perspective, it's almost identical to christian moral law, except instead of being vague and undefined it's a more direct "law."[/QUOTE] Well Christian laws are disgusting and the world would be awful if even a sizable chunk of Christians actually strictly followed them. [url]http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/muslims-and-islam/[/url] Muslims [I]in general[/I] are quite backwards.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49415335]I wouldn't willingly subject myself to sharia law, but I know several people who do out of religious belief. What happens when they have a beer or have sex out of wedlock? they feel bad. End of. That's sharia law - [i]the government mandating punishments for failing to follow sharia law[/i] is bad. Sharia law is not.[/QUOTE] When law of religion with no definite rules of punishment becomes law of the land, there is a problem. [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49415443]Muslims [I]in general[/I] are quite backwards.[/QUOTE] Backwards compared to modern western ideals, yes.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49415335]That's simply fearful and ignorant of what you don't understand. I am friends with several Muslim people, most of whom are fairly liberal, and they've all explained sharia law to me. From a non-religious-conservative-extremist perspective, it's almost identical to christian moral law, except instead of being vague and undefined it's a more direct "law." Adultery is wrong by christian moral law. Adultery is wrong by muslim moral law. The punishments vary according to sect and group and interpretation and government and time period - liberal muslims look at people caning people for being friends with someone of the opposite sex in the same way liberal christians look at conservative evangelicals sending their kids to anti-gay re-education camps that beat them. Disgust. There are many interpretations of the Quran in the same way there are for the Bible. Saying that it's "evil" is not an argument, it's an appeal to fear and emotion that doesn't even look at the actual content of sharia law. I wouldn't willingly subject myself to sharia law, but I know several people who do out of religious belief. What happens when they have a beer or have sex out of wedlock? they feel bad. End of. That's sharia law - [i]the government mandating punishments for failing to follow sharia law[/i] is bad. Sharia law is not.[/QUOTE] When Sharia law is used to crucify and stone people, your laws are fucked up. Western laws aren't great but at least we don't nail people to crosses anymore.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49415443] Muslims [I]in general[/I] are quite backwards.[/QUOTE] This happened because the governments of many middle east countries are extremely corrupt. There is no separation between religion and state, and the education system is a rigged joke. You know how Americans here used to (and some still) push to teach creationism in school? Despite the fact that it would violate the separation of religion and state? Thats the case there in the middle east. The political unstability and failure of the education system led to these problems and ignorance. It would have been the same case here if the US hadn't a policy of separation of religion and state

[QUOTE=Scorpo;49414878]oh damn Atleast she didn't get stoned to death[/QUOTE] Yea, but knowing them she'll probably be in a shit-ton of social trouble for forcing that innocent man to get into trouble by being near him.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;49415469]When law of religion with no definite rules of punishment becomes law of the land, there is a problem. [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] Backwards compared to modern western ideals, yes.[/QUOTE] Hell at this point in time it should be backwards to Muslim ideals. Islam was basically just like any Western religion back during WWI with similar ideals but because the Brits didn't like the Ottomans they supported the Saudi Arabians, and the problem with that is that the Saudis practiced Wahhabism. So when Saudi Arabia became a major power in the region, Wahhabism spread like a bad STD thus giving us the shitshow that is fundamentalist Islam.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49415650]When Sharia law is used to crucify and stone people, your laws are fucked up. Western laws aren't great but at least we don't nail people to crosses anymore.[/QUOTE] [i]The laws of the government of Aceh and Malaysia and many other Muslim states are fucked up[/i]. Doesn't have much at all to do with sharia law - the U.S. used to have [B]adultery and sodomy banned[/B] across several states. That's the [i]exact same shit[/i], secular legislation of moral and religious issues. Was it okay for us to do that? No. It's not okay for any other country to do that, either. But if someone wants to believe that sodomy or adultery is a moral failure and that you'll fail to go to heaven if you do it, that's their right no matter how wrong you think they are. Sharia law is [i]essentially identical[/i] to the Old Testament books of law. Some parts are fucked, no doubt, but they're open to interpretation. Nobody here is saying that Jewish people are fucked even though they strictly follow these OT laws and don't eat pork and such. That's what sharia law is. Sharia law is [i]not a system of governance[/i] and not even really a law. It's a moral code and behavioral stricture. That's it. My muslim friend from Kosovo has commented that showering/bathing after sex is necessary because you're impure and if you fail to do so before you die, you won't get in to heaven. Where's the stoning or caning? Where's the cutting off heads? There [i]is no physical punishment for this[/i], only spiritual punishments. You can disagree with those all you want, but they are entirely mental and don't involve literally killing people. [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=glitchvid;49415469]When law of religion with no definite rules of punishment becomes law of the land, there is a problem. [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] Backwards compared to modern western ideals, yes.[/QUOTE] Wholeheartedly agree - application of religious law onto a population through government is not good. But sharia law is just religious law, and can easily exist without that. I hate when people in the US try to legislate abortion using religious arguments, because laws don't exist to enforce your religious beliefs, they exist to have a well-functioning society. The idea that sharia law [i]in and of itself[/i] is "evil" is just fearmongering bullshit. It's the parallel to the old testament law in the Bible. Punishments are largely spiritual/intangible. The application of sharia law through government with physical punishments is where the craziness appears - otherwise it's basically identical to OT law.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49415993]Old testament[/QUOTE] That was written for people thousands of years ago. It has no bearing anymore. Even Christianity says: "Don't listen to it, it's historical."

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49415993]The application of sharia law through government with physical punishments is where the craziness appears - otherwise it's basically identical to OT law.[/QUOTE] Isn't that what Sharia is supposed to be? The antithesis of separation of church and state?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49416034]That was written for people thousands of years ago. It has no bearing anymore. Even Christianity says: "Don't listen to it, it's historical."[/QUOTE] You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Almost every christian sect, from the catholics to the baptists, agree that the Jesus "fulfilling" the law of the OT [i]doesn't[/i] mean that it doesn't apply to Christians. If you really think that you have no business even discussing [i]any[/i] of the abrahamic religions - that shit is very basic and if you're that misinformed I don't even want to know what you think about sharia law.