I have to wonder the thought process of some electricians, like ofc you need GFCI in the bathroom but my parents house has GFCI outlets in the garage too.
Also grandfathering in older wiring with no earth connection in some homes (hell even some apartments) is foolishly bad.
You americans are weird. Just put one GFCI into your breaker panel to protect every outlet in your home, instead of buying special outlets everytime you want to not kill people.
[QUOTE=Nicht Du;52551459]You americans are weird. Just put one GFCI into your breaker panel to protect every outlet in your home, instead of buying special outlets everytime you want to not kill people.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like communist talk to me. In the Land of the Free if you can't afford every individual safety feature for every part of your house then you're a governmental leech!
You get cars for $5, the airbags cost $60,000 extra.
[QUOTE=Nicht Du;52551459]You americans are weird. Just put one GFCI into your breaker panel to protect every outlet in your home, instead of buying special outlets everytime you want to not kill people.[/QUOTE]
I'm amazed that the plug design hasn't been updated at all over the years
[QUOTE=Plaster;52552009]I'm amazed that the plug design hasn't been updated at all over the years[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't matter unless you are renting and force your landlord to update, or building a completely new house. Grounded outlets have been the standard for over 40 years and a massive percentage of homes in the US still don't have them.
Aww, no toaster drop. Still, this is pretty science.
[QUOTE=unrezt;52552080]It wouldn't matter unless you are renting and force your landlord to update, or building a completely new house. Grounded outlets have been the standard for over 40 years and a massive percentage of homes in the US still don't have them.[/QUOTE]
No need to force everyone to switch, just stop selling old style plugs and offer adapters and let that do the work over time.
All I know about sockets and wiring is that my uncle demonstrating that we could plug 3-pronged devices into our ancient ~<40's~ house that only had 2-pronged outlets by simple taking pliers and snapping off the third prong was more than likely not a safe practice.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52551412]I have to wonder the thought process of some electricians, like ofc you need GFCI in the bathroom but my parents house has GFCI outlets in the garage too.
Also grandfathering in older wiring with no earth connection in some homes (hell even some apartments) is foolishly bad.[/QUOTE]
The NFPA has gone anal and requires AFCI/GFCI protection [i]everywhere[/i] except halls at this point in dwellings. This is a fucking $60 breaker vs a $5 20A breaker and competent knowledge that you don't piss around with electricity. Honestly feels like manufacturers are heading the NEC revisions vs engineers at this point.
I have never seen a single house in new zealand that doesn't have earth on the power outlets. I've seen groundless appliances but groundless sockets? what the fuck?
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52551412]I have to wonder the thought process of some electricians, like ofc you need GFCI in the bathroom but my parents house has GFCI outlets in the garage too.[/QUOTE]
a garage generally has high potential for damage and liquid spillage, so why [I]wouldn't[/I] you want to have one in there?
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