• Croatia's anti-abortion lobby finds new ways to spread its message
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[QUOTE][B]Website posing as support tool and centres offering free board are among tactics used to discourage termination of pregnancies [/B]Search the internet in Croatia for abortion clinics and the top result on Google appears, at first glance, to be a website offering information to women about the procedure. [B]But klinikazapobacaje.com is in reality part of a nationwide campaign aimed at discouraging women from terminating their pregnancies.[/B] Women who abort, the website claims, risk depression, sexual dysfunction, cancer, drug addiction and suicidal thoughts. One of the phone numbers it lists is for Meri Bilic, a woman who works at the Bethlehem Centre for Unborn Life, one of five facilities across Croatia offering refuge to pregnant women driven by family or financial circumstances to consider a termination. [B]In exchange for keeping the foetus, the centres offer free board and lodging for a year.[/B] Bilic and the Bethlehem centres are part of a growing movement to end abortion in predominantly Catholic Croatia, where the right to a termination has been enshrined in law for decades but increasingly difficult for women to access.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/30/croatia-anti-abortion-lobby-new-ways-get-message-across[/url]
I will never quite understand the people who are so strongly opposed to other people having abortions, especially after it's made legal.
[QUOTE=Riller;51474541]I will never quite understand the people who are so strongly opposed to other people having abortions, especially after it's made legal.[/QUOTE] "You are going against my religious beliefs, how dare you?! Don't you know you're being immoral according to [B]me[/B]??!?!"
[QUOTE=Riller;51474541]I will never quite understand the people who are so strongly opposed to other people having abortions, especially after it's made legal.[/QUOTE] Because life only matters while in the womb, since leeching money off of every single soul is quite profitable.
[QUOTE=Riller;51474541]I will never quite understand the people who are so strongly opposed to other people having abortions, especially after it's made legal.[/QUOTE] I can kind of understand why humans are empathetic and apprehensive about the idea of snuffing out a potential life (even if it has no memories and can't be called anything resembling sapient in early pregnancy,) it's just a feels vs logic thing. But then that same empathy doesn't seem to translate to when they're out of the womb in a lot of cases so it's kinda weird
[QUOTE=Riller;51474541]I will never quite understand the people who are so strongly opposed to other people having abortions, especially after it's made legal.[/QUOTE] It's pretty easy to understand, they think it's murder. Regardless of what science says, a lot of people believe life/consciousness starts very early on in the process. It's mostly a religious ideal, though I know non-religious people who are pro-life.
[QUOTE=Riller;51474541]I will never quite understand the people who are so strongly opposed to other people having abortions, especially after it's made legal.[/QUOTE] They think it is legitimately killing children. They're uneducated and the one thing they know is what they're taught about their religion, which says that (vaguely) things like abortions are bad. I think it's quite easy to understand, even if I disagree with it. [editline]4th December 2016[/editline] And for those that are educated, it's a moral issue, value of life etc etc.
This isn't really a new idea, though - US one-upped them before they even tried this and raised them actual, fake abortion clinics with staff to dissuade you.
I'm waiting for an anti-abortion edit of loss.jpg, that'll really get the message across
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51474808]This is what France had wanted to ban the other thread. US is still full of those. But Planned Parenthood does a good job as well. Shame non-profits do governments job across the pond.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I wasn't trying to imply they were somehow gone.
Is there a statistic that goes with "pro-life are always religious people" or is it just the group to blame for it all?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51475014]Is there a statistic that goes with "pro-life are always religious people" or is it just the group to blame for it all?[/QUOTE] As much as I've read in Delo (my local newspaper), the Croatian Catholic church is pushing VERY hard for this.
We are quite stupid so we tend to make stupid decisions. Our religious friends tend to interfere with government policies and truly believe that the seperation from state and church is not applicable here because reasons. And the main reason is communism and Yugoslavia. "Enjoy your vacation in Croatia because you do not only travel to a beutiful country, but also 50 years back in time."
[QUOTE=Riller;51474541]I will never quite understand the people who are so strongly opposed to other people having abortions, especially after it's made legal.[/QUOTE] I'd consider myself pro-life and I'm not religious. The way I see it I would be very against aborting my own child, accident or otherwise. If the mother doesn't want the child, I'd rather be fully responsible for the child after birth. I get that it's an inconvenience for the mother, who doesn't require the father's permission to abort, but I don't think I could consent. I'd be against it if a friend or family member asked me for my opinion, but it's their choice whether I respect it or not. Beyond that I don't really care about most of the life choices people I don't know make. Legally, my biggest problem is that in the US there isn't a set cutoff age. It appears to be based on the doctors judgement on whether or not the fetus could survive artificially. I'm not going to crusade for abortion reform, but I'd be in favor of putting a clear cut limit on when it is not okay to abort. As for the article I am fine with religious groups trying to convince and incentivize women to not abort, but it shouldn't be supported financially or promoted by the government. The article doesn't seem to state whether or not the website/group is supported by the state, just that it's the first result on google and that Croatians are increasingly supportive of ending abortion.
[QUOTE=IFawDown;51476727]I'd consider myself pro-life and I'm not religious. The way I see it I would be very against aborting my own child, accident or otherwise. If the mother doesn't want the child, I'd rather be fully responsible for the child after birth. I get that it's an inconvenience for the mother, who doesn't require the father's permission to abort, but I don't think I could consent. I'd be against it if a friend or family member asked me for my opinion, but it's their choice whether I respect it or not. Beyond that I don't really care about most of the life choices people I don't know make. Legally, my biggest problem is that in the US there isn't a set cutoff age. It appears to be based on the doctors judgement on whether or not the fetus could survive artificially. I'm not going to crusade for abortion reform, but I'd be in favor of putting a clear cut limit on when it is not okay to abort. As for the article I am fine with religious groups trying to convince and incentivize women to not abort, but it shouldn't be supported financially or promoted by the government. The article doesn't seem to state whether or not the website/group is supported by the state, just that it's the first result on google and that Croatians are increasingly supportive of ending abortion.[/QUOTE] You're not really pro-life. I would also be strongly against aborting my own child, but I still believe people should have the choice to, because shit happens.
[QUOTE=The Pretender;51474584]It's pretty easy to understand, they think it's murder. Regardless of what science says, a lot of people believe life/consciousness starts very early on in the process. It's mostly a religious ideal, though I know non-religious people who are pro-life.[/QUOTE] Science has literally nothing to say about the subject. It can't, no matter how much evidence is found, decide how to define personhood. For a long time in human history is was perfectly acceptable to allow your baby to die through exposure for a variety of reasons that we would now see as absolutely barbaric (unless you're Peter Singer). More scientific knowledge had nothing to do with this opinion changing. It was a purely moral development tied very closely to Christianity growing in power in the Roman empire (in the west, specifically).
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