California is the first state to ban gay reparative therapy - Polidicks

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/conversion-therapy-california_n_1560251.html[/url] [quote] The California State Senate approved a bill that would make California the first state in the nation to ban the use of conversion therapy, a type of psychotherapy aimed at turning LGBT people straight, among minors. The bill, SB1172, passed with a 23-13 vote on Wednesday, and will now go on to the Assembly. "The entire medical community is opposed to these phony therapies," [URL="http://sd28.senate.ca.gov/"]said Senator Ted W. Lieu[/URL] (D-Torrance) at the hearing. “These non-scientific efforts have led in some cases to patients later committing suicide, as well as severe mental and physical anguish. It's not just that people are wasting their time and money on these therapies that don't work, it's that these therapies are dangerous." In an interview with The Huffington Post, Claudia Miles, a psychotherapist in private practice in Marin County, agreed. "It is extremely harmful to convince a child or teen that there is something fundamentally wrong with him when it is recognized and acknowledged that in fact, there is not," she said. "The damage done in this equation is unimaginable." At the hearing, Lieu also argued that the therapy was invalid because it treated homosexuality as a disorder. “Being lesbian or gay or bisexual is not a disease or mental disorder for the same reason that being a heterosexual is not a disease or a mental disorder,” Lieu said. “The medical community is unanimous in stating that homosexuality is not a medical condition.” However, the ban is not without its critics. The National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) quickly [URL="http://narth.com/2012/05/california-senate-bill-1172-a-scientific-and-legislative-travesty/"]came out against the bill on its website[/URL], citing it as inappropriate government intrusion. "Bull," said licensed marriage and family therapist [URL="http://drtara.com/"]Dr. Tara Fields[/URL] in response. "There are so many laws and guidelines regarding therapy because it is such a sacred resource for humans. People who come in here sometimes have serious psychological damages and it is essential that those boundaries exist." Fields said that, while there is little evidence supporting the success of conversion therapy, there is much evidence to support its impacts. "There are those who have white-knuckled it and claimed that they've been converted. But research has shown profound negative psychological impacts, including anxiety and depression, as a result," she told HuffPost. "And as therapists, we don't have a right to decide what other people's values should be." [/quote]

or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Troll" - Lithifold))[/highlight]

Fucking good. I remember reading some girl's account of a camp that did this stuff. Shit was terrible. Horrifying.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36189931]or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO[/QUOTE] [quote]These non-scientific efforts have led in some cases to patients later committing suicide, as well as severe mental and physical anguish.[/quote] People can be talked into stuff you know, especially with how much gays are ridiculed by assholes, they can easily be pressured into wanting to be "normal" as people define it, without knowing the risks like that.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36189931]or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO[/QUOTE] its pseudo-thepary that's a waste of money and doesn't resolve anything if you're gay, you're gay, there's nothing to argue about

Horrible therapy. I'd be interested to see what happens with therapy programs that aim to dissuade kids from getting sex changes. Would that be as much of a civil rights issue?

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36189931]or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO[/QUOTE] Not if it harms other people

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36189931]or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO[/QUOTE] Like forcing teenagers to do things they don't want to do. Things that will be harmful to their long term mental health?

[QUOTE=Mlisen14;36190002]Like forcing teenagers to do things they don't want to do. Things that will be harmful to their long term mental health?[/QUOTE] I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?

Alan Turing called me and he says he approves.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36189931]or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO[/QUOTE] You have no fucking idea how fucked up these places are.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36189931]or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO[/QUOTE] They brainwash people. So no, they shouldn't be allowed to do it.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36190028]I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?[/QUOTE] ...

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36190028]I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?[/QUOTE] "I knew one person and he turned out fine! This event should represent all other events!"

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36190028]I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?[/QUOTE] That's fine for your friends. It's a testament to their strength of character I guess. But lots of kids haven't turned out okay (ie. a high incidence of suicide), so if the practitioners are blatantly self interested, isn't it worth the government stepping in and persuading parents not to do this?

[QUOTE=hamberglar;36189934]Fucking good. I remember reading some girl's account of a camp that did this stuff. Shit was terrible. Horrifying.[/QUOTE] I think [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/hk0xy/a_gay_teen_describes_her_experience_at_a_utah/]this is it[/url] There are actually a lot of these brainwashing stories so I might be wrong

[QUOTE=hamberglar;36189934]Fucking good. I remember reading some girl's account of a camp that did this stuff. Shit was terrible. Horrifying.[/QUOTE] Oh man I remember this, someone find it.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36190028]I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?[/QUOTE] I [I]really[/I] wish I remembered where I read that thing so I could show it to you. Make you understand just how incredibly fucked up this stuff is. Because clearly the mere concept of [I]brainwashing people to make them think something is horribly wrong with them[/I] just doesn't ring a bell for you. [QUOTE=latin_geek;36190120]Oh man I remember this, someone find it.[/QUOTE] Yes, please. Someone do. Oh wait shit fuck, Lambeth is right. Read [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/hk0xy/a_gay_teen_describes_her_experience_at_a_utah/]this[/url] PowerBall.

This isn't therapy because homosexuality is not a disorder. Who cares about the non-existent success rate, or the potential harm to patients? I think the biggest argument is that we need to stop looking at homosexuality as something that needs to be cured.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;36190116]I think [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/hk0xy/a_gay_teen_describes_her_experience_at_a_utah/]this is it[/url] There are actually a lot of these brainwashing stories so I might be wrong[/QUOTE] That story made me want to pull of some kind of jailbreak on these kids in these camps. Sweet Jesus my body is full of rage now.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36190028]I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?[/QUOTE] It amazes me you're able to talk out of your ass when your head is shoved so far up it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36190142]This isn't therapy because homosexuality is not a disorder. Who cares about the non-existent success rate, or the potential harm to patients? I think the biggest argument is that we need to stop looking at homosexuality as something that needs to be cured.[/QUOTE] I think only the hyper right wing conservatives hold on to the belief that it's a mental disorder nowadays. And the nutballs like mormons.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36190028]I know gay people (I think) that didn't do this and yhey turned out fine. So what's the big deal? Why is this important? Why should I care?[/QUOTE] it's an "human service" purely based on fear of what's not considered the "norm", so i have no idea why you're defending it

Fuck those camps. Good job Cali

[QUOTE=Lambeth;36190116]I think [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/hk0xy/a_gay_teen_describes_her_experience_at_a_utah/]this is it[/url] There are actually a lot of these brainwashing stories so I might be wrong[/QUOTE] Yeah this is it I'd have beaten the living shit out of my own mother and taken her to some sort of court for child abuse if she did that to me, completely honest

but then how are we going to stop the gay epidemic?

[QUOTE=megafat;36190068]They brainwash people. So no, they shouldn't be allowed to do it.[/QUOTE] The same could be said for churches, schools, and television. Regardless of the stupidity or ineffectiveness of something, It's not the government's job to make your life choices for you.

It amazes me that 13 people actually voted against banning it. Actually, screw that, I can't begin to fathom how it was remotely legal in the first place.

[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36189931]or how about uh LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO[/QUOTE] [i]*excluding people made to go to these awful places[/i]

[QUOTE=Jager_57;36190294]It's not the government's job to make your life choices for you.[/QUOTE] if the government isn't going to protect vulnerable citizen's the fuck is the point of having one in the first place?