Putin critic Navalny clears first hurdle in bid for Russia presidency - Polidicks

[QUOTE] [IMG]https://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20171224&t=2&i=1216899004&r=LYNXMPEDBN0D0&w=1200[/IMG] Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny on Sunday cleared the first hurdle towards taking part in next year’s presidential election, even though the central election commission has previously ruled him ineligible to run. Navalny, 41, is a fierce opponent of President Vladimir Putin, who is widely expected to win re-election in March, extending 17 years in power. A veteran campaigner against corruption among Russia’s elite, he won the initial support of 742 people at a gathering in a district of Moscow - above the minimum 500 required to initiate a presidential bid. “There is no large-scale support for Putin and his rule in this country,” Navalny told the meeting, describing himself as a “real candidate” for election and threatening a boycott of the vote by his supporters if he is barred from running. On Sunday evening, Navalny submitted the documents to the central election commission needed to be registered as a candidate. The commission, which extended its working hours on Sunday to take the documents, has five days in which to decide whether Navalny will be registered. The commission has previously said he is ineligible due to a suspended prison sentence that he says was politically motivated. “We are capable of opposing the current authorities. Our key demand is to be allowed to take part in the elections,” Navalny told reporters as he was leaving the election commission building in the central Moscow. Navalny has been jailed three times this year on charges of repeatedly organizing public meetings and rallies in violation of existing laws. The European Court of Human Rights ruled in October that Navalny’s conviction for fraud in 2014 was “arbitrary” and ordered Moscow to pay him compensation. [/QUOTE] Source: [URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-election-navalny/putin-critic-navalny-clears-first-hurdle-in-bid-for-russia-presidency-idUSKBN1EI0AT"]Reuters[/URL]

I imagine the next hurdle to clear will be the many, many hit men currently en route to his home.

[quote=Popularvote]...[/quote] Funny, I would expect that to be the [I]first[/I] hurdle to clear under Putin: being a political rival and not dying or being scandal'd out of office to begin with.

Mr. Candidate, how do you intend on serving our overseas colonies?

Putin knows how to cheat too well, there is no way he's getting out of this a winner

If I were Russian I'm not sure how I would feel about Navalny. Sure you want a better situation than what Putin can provide but at what cost? CBS News found footage of him attending and speaking at nationalist rallies. When they interviewed him. Dec. 12, 2017 [vid]http://download.cbsnews.com/media/mpx/2017/12/10/1113494083514/60_1210_TheChallenger_1459434_740.mp4[/vid]

[QUOTE=Aide;53003478]If I were Russian I'm not sure how I would feel about Navalny. CBS News found footage of him attending and speaking at nationalist rallies. When they interviewed him. Dec. 12, 2017 [vid]http://download.cbsnews.com/media/mpx/2017/12/10/1113494083514/60_1210_TheChallenger_1459434_740.mp4[/vid][/QUOTE] This is because the only people who like russian liberals are people outside of russia. Patriotism/nationalism is normal there and I can't imagine a successful politician that would stand against it

Russia is nationalistic enough to love Putin so he'd win even without cheating.

[QUOTE=Aide;53003478]If I were Russian I'm not sure how I would feel about Navalny. Sure you want a better situation than what Putin can provide but at what cost? CBS News found footage of him attending and speaking at nationalist rallies. When they interviewed him. Dec. 12, 2017 [vid]http://download.cbsnews.com/media/mpx/2017/12/10/1113494083514/60_1210_TheChallenger_1459434_740.mp4[/vid][/QUOTE] I don't think he participated in those rallies since 2011. As far as I can see the only thing that makes him nationalist is that he wants to minimize amount of illegal workers from asian countries by introducing visa's with those countries. If someone has additional information feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. And to be honest I would probably prefer anyone over Putin if it makes our lives better. If I can see how everything goes to shit while living in Moscow then I can't even image how bad it is outside of Central Russia.

[QUOTE=Megalan;53004098] And to be honest I would probably prefer anyone over Putin if it makes our lives better.[/QUOTE] Fuck that. If ya really wanna see everything go up in flames atleast make Zhirinovsky your pick. [t]https://i.imgur.com/TxR4XVM.jpg[/t] He's both crazy and already looks like a Emperor Palpatine, soo we'd go down a proper Evil Empire. Because the "if it makes our lives better" is not something fitting for any of current candidates.

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53003414]Funny, I would expect that to be the [I]first[/I] hurdle to clear under Putin: being a political rival and not dying or being scandal'd out of office to begin with.[/QUOTE] he [i]was[/i] scandaled out of office, he got an arbitrary prison sentence which is the reason its now technically illegal for him to run for office

does anyone honestly think that someone who isn't Putin stands a snowball's chance in hell of winning let alone a Putin critic i mean even if someone else somehow managed to be more popular than him they'd still spin it as Putin winning with 200% of the votes it's almost like the idea of North fucking Korea holding "presidential" "elections"

aren't these people usually just installed by putin himself to make it a terribly and obviously fake "real" election

[QUOTE=LeonS;53004306]aren't these people usually just installed by putin himself to make it a terribly and obviously fake "real" election[/QUOTE] Navalny kinda fits that role - he's predictable and seems to enjoy position of prominent opposition figure far more than functional goverment official, not to mention that despite all "efforts" by goverment to shut him, he surprisingly goes on about his deeds, and is not brutally annihilated through well known means. Soo they are probably more than ok with him being there for opposition to project feeling of fighting rathen than, you know, actually fight. Also you have people like Ksenya Sobchak who althought claims to be "non-systematic" candidate, is here to simply cash in on hype and outrage her "presidential program" causes on population. You don't even have to bribe her to follow through this circus. It's another year non worthy of participation in voting - no legally allowed / goverment approved method of change in power is real. Only through covert struggle within ranks or military overthrow a real change can occur, anything else is a replacement of turd for poop.

[QUOTE=Megalan;53004098]I don't think he participated in those rallies since 2011. As far as I can see the only thing that makes him nationalist is that he wants to minimize amount of illegal workers from asian countries by introducing visa's with those countries. If someone has additional information feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. And to be honest I would probably prefer anyone over Putin if it makes our lives better. If I can see how everything goes to shit while living in Moscow then I can't even image how bad it is outside of Central Russia.[/QUOTE] He recently endorsed Maltsev, who is a bit too nationalistic-leaning. Which is funny in itself, because Navalny hates Maltsev's party, PARNAS.

[QUOTE=Popularvote;53003402]I imagine the next hurdle to clear will be the many, many hit men currently en route to his home.[/QUOTE] I'd imagine he has 24/7 3rd party security, you would need it if you were challenging a powerful incumbent known to kill opposition members

I just hope this is real and he's not a hired opponent. Hard to tell what is real nowadays. Either way I hope he slaps the smirk off Putin's face.

Apparently, he was denied registration and is now urging to boycott the election. Here's a video from his official channel, usually the vids have English subtitles [url]https://youtu.be/Tz50vEX0nwE[/url] [editline]25th December 2017[/editline] I'm not sure what he was counting on, after all, there is a ruling of the Constitutional court preventing anyone with a sentence for a major crime from running. Commiting a major crime is also grounds for impeachment, so it's logical. Navalny is making it sound like Putin directly told the Commission to prevent his registration, when in reality he was not allowed to run because of a four year old ruling. After all, the Constitution is not the only law.

[QUOTE=Demeschik;53004826]Apparently, he was denied registration and is now urging to boycott the election. Here's a video from his official channel, usually the vids have English subtitles [/QUOTE] Yep lol [url]https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/russia-bars-putin-foe-alexei-navalny-from-next-years-election-1514219198?__twitter_impression=true[/url]

[QUOTE=Conscript;53003481]This is because the only people who like russian liberals are people outside of russia. Patriotism/nationalism is normal there and I can't imagine a successful politician that would stand against it[/QUOTE] Can any actual Russian person back this up? I'd be lying if I trusted conscript's point of view on uh anything.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53005078]Can any actual Russian person back this up? I'd be lying if I trusted conscript's point of view on uh anything.[/QUOTE] I can. The word "liberal" has a lot of baggage associated with it. In the 90's we had a really, really bad economics reform by a liberal economist Egor Gaidar. Also, in the 00's, we had an unpopular string of so-called "optimizations" that some say have damaged our social security and healthcare services conducted by a liberal economist Alexei Kudrin. It's hard to divorce Russian liberals from their support of LGBT and Ukraine, this does not resonate well with the majority of population. Russian liberals are a fucking joke, but at least they are somewhat represented in politics. Nationalists are prohibited form having their own party.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53005078]Can any actual Russian person back this up? I'd be lying if I trusted conscript's point of view on uh anything.[/QUOTE] It looks really immature you don't believe a really basic, non-partisan premise just because I said it. Just use your head, you probably know the 90s weren't the best times and putin is a silent majority figure.

[QUOTE=Conscript;53005186]It looks really immature you don't believe a really basic, non-partisan premise just because I said it. Just use your head, you probably know the 90s weren't the best times and putin is a silent majority figure.[/QUOTE] Nah man I just think skepticism is healthy and second opinions are good.

And now Ksenia Sobchak suggest ALexey to join her as "representative". While he asks for a boycott. The circus is only gettin started. Also we need to ask mods to rename thread - add a (SPOILER: HE'S NOT)

what about the second hurdle (polonium poisoning)

[URL="sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/25/573394432/russian-opposition-leader-barred-from-running-against-putin-in-2018"]Oof, bummer. Looks like the second hurdle was not having the man you're going to run against ban you from running against him. [/URL]

[QUOTE=RaxaHax;53006884][URL="sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/25/573394432/russian-opposition-leader-barred-from-running-against-putin-in-2018"]Oof, bummer. Looks like the second hurdle was not having the man you're going to run against ban you from running against him. [/URL][/QUOTE] Yeah, should've stayed away from dishonest deals with Belih

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;53007143]Yeah, should've stayed away from dishonest deals with Belih[/QUOTE] Implying the charges weren't fabricated through and through.

[QUOTE=gudman;53007236]Implying the charges weren't fabricated through and through.[/QUOTE] Implying that if he's opposition that he's 100% not guilty?

[QUOTE=karimatrix;53008264]Implying that if he's opposition that he's 100% not guilty?[/QUOTE] Rather outright stating that if the charges were proven to be bollocks by ECHR - he is 100% not guilty, opposition or not. Ya know, "innocent until proven guilty" and all that stupid shit? Like, "entirely innocent", not "just a not guilty enough, maybe 30% guilty".