Putin on US administration: 'It’s difficult to talk with people who confuse Austria and Australia'
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[QUOTE]Vladimir Putin has mocked the state of US politics by joking that it is "difficult to have a dialogue with people who confuse Austria and Australia".
"There is nothing to do about it. Apparently that’s the level of political culture of a certain part of the American establishment," the Russian President said, according to state funded broadcaster, RT.
He added: "America is really a great nation and the Americans are a great people if they can endure so many people with such a low level of political culture."
Mr Putin was referring to a 2007 gaffe by former US President George W Bush, when he thanked then-Australian leader John Howard for visiting Austrian troops in Iraq.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/putin-us-administration-russia-austria-australia-confuse-george-w-bush-white-house-administration-a7930241.html[/url]
You hired our president. Don't be surprised that him and his cabinet aren't too bright.
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hes talking about bush
aka this article is pretty irrelevant
[QUOTE=OVACOBRA;52650787]hes talking about bush
aka this article is pretty irrelevant[/QUOTE]
He's referencing Bush. While implying Trump is a bigger idiot, and the Republicans are vindictive obstructionists with nothing real to offer America.
(He's absolutely right, but I don't approve of Putin either.)
[QUOTE=OVACOBRA;52650787]hes talking about bush
aka this article is pretty irrelevant[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I think it's still fairly relevant considering just how confused everything the current administration does and tries to do.
[QUOTE=OVACOBRA;52650787]hes talking about bush
aka this article is pretty irrelevant[/QUOTE]
The example is explicitly Bush's, but the comments are obviously intended to be relevant to today's America
Honestly the past couple decades the US/western world has been winning mad rounds in this global boxing match against Russian domination. But this recent infomation war has been a god damn T.K.O on the U.S. Russia can just sit back and watch Trump's adminstration fuck up the entire country in almost all aspects without a single bullet being fired. Not to mention Brevit's disinfo.
Who ever behind the scenes in these secret russian intelligence groups must have an entire shelf of medals at this point.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52651114]Honestly the past couple decades the US/western world has been winning mad rounds in this global boxing match against Russian domination. But this recent infomation war has been a god damn T.K.O on the U.S. Russia can just sit back and watch Trump's adminstration fuck up the entire country in almost all aspects without a single bullet being fired. Not to mention Brevit's disinfo.
Who ever behind the scenes in these secret russian intelligence groups must have an entire shelf of medals at this point.[/QUOTE]
russia isn't competently run enough to orchestrate massive disinformation campaigns that work
for all of the work of the soviet union (who invested so much time and money into it), they ended up collapsing and the USA won the cold war. if america is losing now - it's not because their rivals are more cunning or manipulative - it's because america's in decline
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52651147]russia isn't competently run enough to orchestrate massive disinformation campaigns that work
for all of the work of the soviet union (who invested so much time and money into it), they ended up collapsing and the USA won the cold war. if america is losing now - it's not because their rivals are more cunning or manipulative - it's because america's in decline[/QUOTE]
Maybe one of the dozen odd billionaires that putin is friends with is doing it then.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52651147]russia isn't competently run enough to orchestrate massive disinformation campaigns that work
for all of the work of the soviet union (who invested so much time and money into it), they ended up collapsing and the USA won the cold war. if america is losing now - it's not because their rivals are more cunning or manipulative - it's because america's in decline[/QUOTE]
Well, you say they aren't, but it seems to me to be exactly the opposite. Fake news work. Russia has shown it in Eastern Europe (I witness it on Facebook and on the news all the time here, I'm sure other FP members in these parts of the world have felt it.) Trump does it every time he opens his mouth. UKIP & Co. showed it in Britain.
You don't need a complicated operation to do it. A dozen of geeks and a ton of bot accounts does the trick.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52651147]russia isn't competently run enough to orchestrate massive disinformation campaigns that work
for all of the work of the soviet union (who invested so much time and money into it), they ended up collapsing and the USA won the cold war. if america is losing now - it's not because their rivals are more cunning or manipulative - it's because america's in decline[/QUOTE]
You say that, and yet every major intelligence agency in the Western world disagrees with you.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52651147]russia isn't competently run enough to orchestrate massive disinformation campaigns that work
for all of the work of the soviet union (who invested so much time and money into it), they ended up collapsing and the USA won the cold war. if america is losing now - it's not because their rivals are more cunning or manipulative - it's because america's in decline[/QUOTE]
Were you living under a rock for the pass decade or is there an russian operator pointing a gun to your head right now?
i concede that i confuse the austrailian flag for new zealand's but no american can confuse an aussy for an arnold.
Reminds me of when Americans were blaming the Czechs for the Boston bombers who were Chechens.
[QUOTE=OVACOBRA;52650787]hes talking about bush
aka this article is pretty irrelevant[/QUOTE]
[Quote] Who is the current leader of Pakistan
His name is General [/quote]
[QUOTE=Araknid;52652415]Reminds me of when Americans were blaming the Czechs for the Boston bombers who were Chechens.[/QUOTE]
Wait what
[QUOTE=Stopper;52651712]Well, you say they aren't, but it seems to me to be exactly the opposite. Fake news work. Russia has shown it in Eastern Europe (I witness it on Facebook and on the news all the time here, I'm sure other FP members in these parts of the world have felt it.) Trump does it every time he opens his mouth. UKIP & Co. showed it in Britain.
You don't need a complicated operation to do it. A dozen of geeks and a ton of bot accounts does the trick.[/QUOTE]
if all you need is a dozen geeks and some bot accounts it tells you a lot more about the weakness of the west than the strength of russia
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52652798]if all you need is a dozen geeks and some bot accounts it tells you a lot more about the weakness of the west than the strength of russia[/QUOTE]
I think it's interesting that you respond to that post but not the much more substantive one that was made earlier
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52652113]You say that, and yet every major intelligence agency in the Western world disagrees with you.[/QUOTE]
NATO and non-NATO European countries all mostly agree that Russia has an expansive, well-funded disinformation and cyberattack apparatus that it uses against a variety of targets. Just because they might have the edge in this regard for now says nothing about a decline in the West. Presumably when the Russians put a man-made object into Earths orbit for the first time that also showed how weak the west was. I also find it interesting that you categorize America as "weak" and "losing" until it comes to defending Donald Trump, then you praise it as a functioning democracy. Which is it?
[QUOTE=Araknid;52653076][url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/boston-marathon-bombings-czech-republics-ambassador-concerned-by-americans-confusing-his-country-8581341.html[/url]
[url]http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/04/23/czech-republic-forced-to-remind-the-internet-that-chechnya-is-a-different-country-after-boston-bombing/[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, that brightened my day right up :v:
[URL="http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/48547675807/the-definitive-people-who-thought-chechnya-was"]Also this is pure gold, so many of them still think we're Czechoslovakia.[/URL]
He's sure to be impeached now that his voterbase is against him.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52652940]I think it's interesting that you respond to that post but not the much more substantive one that was made earlier
NATO and non-NATO European countries all mostly agree that Russia has an expansive, well-funded disinformation and cyberattack apparatus that it uses against a variety of targets. Just because they might have the edge in this regard for now says nothing about a decline in the West. Presumably when the Russians put a man-made object into Earths orbit for the first time that also showed how weak the west was. I also find it interesting that you categorize America as "weak" and "losing" until it comes to defending Donald Trump, then you praise it as a functioning democracy. Which is it?[/QUOTE]
since when did i praise america as a "functioning democracy"
the point im making is that the problems in the west are likely much more internal than the cause of russians systematically trying to dismantle western civilization through means that didn't lead to the overthrow the west in the 1950s-1980s (when Russia had greater resources, reach, influence, allies, and more overt hostility to the west)
its ludicrous of people to claim that, upon the loss of brexit and the US election to trump, that somehow its all the russians fault and that they are to blame for the general public loss of confidence and trust in just about every institution that's been going on for years
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52652113]You say that, and yet every major intelligence agency in the Western world disagrees with you.[/QUOTE]
the same ones who actively spy on us and lie about their true intentions?
why should we trust them?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52651147]russia isn't competently run enough to orchestrate massive disinformation campaigns that work
for all of the work of the soviet union (who invested so much time and money into it), they ended up collapsing and the USA won the cold war. if america is losing now - it's not because their rivals are more cunning or manipulative - it's because america's in decline[/QUOTE]
The Soviet Union likely wasn't as successful because they didn't have the incredible tool for anonymously disseminating information across a huge population as they do now- the internet.
The means to spread incorrect and half-correct information at such a massive scale and quantity as they (presumably) are now simply did not yet exist.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52654163]since when did i praise america as a "functioning democracy"[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1576906&p=52629476&highlight=#post52629476"]This thread[/URL].
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52654163]the point im making is that the problems in the west are likely much more internal than the cause of russians systematically trying to dismantle western civilization through means that didn't lead to the overthrow the west in the 1950s-1980s (when Russia had greater resources, reach, influence, allies, and more overt hostility to the west)
its ludicrous of people to claim that, upon the loss of brexit and the US election to trump, that somehow its all the russians fault and that they are to blame for the general public loss of confidence and trust in just about every institution that's been going on for years[/QUOTE]
Have you ever considered the fact that it could be both, or considered looking at issues with any amount of nuance, for that matter?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52654163]the same ones who actively spy on us and lie about their true intentions?
why should we trust them?[/QUOTE]
If you don't trust your own government (or the US government) alone, would you trust the governments of Latvia, Estonia, Sweden, Finland, Georgia, Germany, and Belgium?
Do you not trust literally everyone else but Russia, Trump, and surrogates for either or is it because they reached conclusions that run opposite of your opinion?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52652798]if all you need is a dozen geeks and some bot accounts it tells you a lot more about the weakness of the west than the strength of russia[/QUOTE]
It's difficult to counter stuff like fake Twitter accounts, Facebook pages and users. The onus is on the respective companies to solve it as well, which we have seen recently.
Big words from a man who can't tell Russia from Ukrane.
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