Hyperloop Transportation Technologies just filed for a building permit in California. - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Hyperloop Transportation Technologies, the company taking the lead on turning Hyperloop into a reality, told CNBC that it [B]has filed for a construction permit[/B] to build a five mile track in Quay Valley, California. The company developing Elon Musk’s Hyperloop idea claims passengers could be travelling at close to the speed of sound within the next three years, having just filed for a building permit in California. The Hyperloop concept involves firing a train full of people through a low-pressure tube at speeds of up to 740 mph. It has been described by Musk as a mix between Concorde, a rail gun, and an air hockey table. It could take you from Los Angeles to San Francisco in under 30 minutes. [B]“In 36 months we will have the first passenger in the first full-scale hyperloop,” said Gresta.[/B] Source: [URL]http://www.businessinsider.com.au/hyperloop-applies-for-building-permit-2016-1[/URL] [/QUOTE]

As impressive as the technology behind the concept is, I don't really see it going anywhere. The economics of it don't really work out, and I doubt commuters will particularly enjoy it either. You're better off with high speed rail or maglev.

It should be known that this company is completely seperate from Elon Musk. Musk will be building his own test track somewhere around the Tesla Factory where other companies (like Hyperloop Transportation Technologies) can test and compete. Hyperloop pod design competitions will be held at Texas A&M University this month. [url]http://hyperloop.tamu.edu[/url] this event is held by SpaceX.

I'd endorse a transcontinental maglev before something like this.

Whoa, better get out of the way of those tracks.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49585331]As impressive as the technology behind the concept is, I don't really see it going anywhere. The economics of it don't really work out, and I doubt commuters will particularly enjoy it either. You're better off with high speed rail or maglev.[/QUOTE] As cool as the so-called plane is, I don't see it going anywhere. It's economically unfeasible and I don't think commuters want to ride it anyways. We're better off laying down more train tracks in between major cities.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49585331]As impressive as the technology behind the concept is, I don't really see it going anywhere. The economics of it don't really work out, and I doubt commuters will particularly enjoy it either. You're better off with high speed rail or maglev.[/QUOTE] Who needs computers right? The economics don't really work out and I doubt that the average person would get any use out of them.

[quote]The Hyperloop concept involves firing a train full of people through a low-pressure tube at speeds of up to 740 mph. It has been described by Musk as a mix between Concorde, a rail gun, and an air hockey table.[/quote] Yeah, fuck this shit. You probably have to be strapped to your seat during the whole trip, and you are inside a tube with no windows. Maglev trains can go over 500 kph and sound much more comfortable.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;49586265]Yeah, fuck this shit. You probably have to be strapped to your seat during the whole trip, and you are inside a tube with no windows. Maglev trains can go over 500 kph and sound much more comfortable.[/QUOTE] You'd only need to be strapped in during the acceleration and deceleration presumably. Almost exactly like we do with planes.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49586201]Who needs computers right? The economics don't really work out and I doubt that the average person would get any use out of them.[/QUOTE] why not do maglev instead theres also mentioning that computers had years of slow development behind them and demand in multiple areas. the hyperloop is a sci-fi scheme to invent an entirely new form of expensive transport where they shoot people down vacuum tubes at the speed of sound instead of using the experience of decades of railway engineers in high speed rail and maglev to design something more sensible and already proven [editline]22nd January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;49586277]You'd only need to be strapped in during the acceleration and deceleration presumably. Almost exactly like we do with planes.[/QUOTE] remember how successful concord was

[QUOTE=AntonioR;49586265]Yeah, fuck this shit. You probably have to be strapped to your seat during the whole trip, and you are inside a tube with no windows. Maglev trains can go over 500 kph and sound much more comfortable.[/QUOTE] you're less strapped into a plane than you are in a car. Speed inst important. acceleration is.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49586296]why not do maglev instead[/quote] Why do maglev instead? [quote] remember how successful concord was[/QUOTE] So because the concord was an unsuccessful endeavor then this obviously will be, right? Despite the two being completely different for obvious reasons.

Maglev and Hyperloop are both very quick designs, but the question boils down on how reliable and cost effective they are. I wouldn't want a Hyperloop tube that breaks down every other day, or a maglev which spends ridiculous amounts of electricity.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49586318]Why do maglev instead?[/quote] it's already the future for overland rail travel, with decades of active research and numerous testing tracks around the world, not to mention a couple of already operational commercial lines and many more underway hyperloop is a few diagrams and back of the envelope maths that musk drew up to make fun of californias high speed railway program alternatively we could just upgrade existing rail networks and develop high speed rail [quote]So because the concord was an unsuccessful endeavor then this obviously will be, right? Despite the two being completely different for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE] they're both projects which intend to move large numbers of people past the speed barrier, the engineering requirements of which are immense and the economic costs similarly comparable. point is that the hyperloop isn't economical by any stretch of the imagination i mean musk doesnt even really care about the hyperloop, he's busy with other more important shit

i easily get motion sick, I don't think any of these new, super fast methods of transportation would ever agree with me.

Just an FYI. The Hyperloop is neither designed nor intended for long distance travel. It's ment as a middle ground between roads and air travel. Basically city to city. Not cross country. LA to San Francisco, Dallas to Houston, New York to DC, etc. Basically that window where the distance is short enough that you would rather drive instead of deal with the inconvenience of airports.

30 minutes from LA to SF would allow people to commute between the two cities for their every day jobs. The difference between this and the concord is that this can actually serve multiple large groups of people every day while not having to worry about the massive fuel requirements of the concord. Hell to my knowledge the concord was always marketed towards an incredibly small clientele.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49586428]30 minutes from LA to SF would allow people to commute between the two cities for their every day jobs. The difference between this and the concord is that this can actually serve multiple large groups of people every day while not having to worry about the massive fuel requirements of the concord. Hell to my knowledge the concord was always marketed towards an incredibly small clientele.[/QUOTE] the concorde was an impressive engineering project that ultimately proved uneconomical and had to be ended the hyperloop (if it ever gets off the ground) will be priced quite expensively, it will not carry high volume numbers, and ultimately it will lose out to high speed railways (and in the far future, to maglev). when the hack fraud elon musk dreamt it up a while ago even he wasn't too especially serious about it if you want to have people commuting quickly, copy the japanese. they have high speed rail down to an art form, and america is better off with a network of high-speed railways rather than expensive experiments

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49586475]the concorde was an impressive engineering project that ultimately proved uneconomical and had to be ended[/quote] Because its entire clientele consisted of wealthy business people who likely already owned their own private jets. [quote] the hyperloop (if it ever gets off the ground) will be priced quite expensively, it will not carry high volume numbers, and ultimately it will lose out to high speed railways (and in the far future, to maglev).[/QUOTE] What are you basing this off of?

The Hyperloop is maglev. It uses magnets for propulsion. Air for lift. The tube only exists to put the car in a thin atmosphere so it can go faster.

How is musk a "hack fraud"?

It was also designed/intended to be powered by solar on the roof of the tube. High upfront cost, but eventually economical. Unlike a supersonic jet that request thousands of dollars in fuel every fight, and has high maintenance costs.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49586484]Because its entire clientele consisted of wealthy business people who likely already owned their own private jets.[/quote] that will be the same case with hyperloop - only rich people will use it [quote]What are you basing this off of?[/QUOTE] it carries about 28 passengers per capsule, with a proposed headway (which is unrealistic) of 30 seconds. even allowing for this we get 3360 passengers in each direction an hour, which is less than the 12,000 passengers an hour on a typical high speed rail [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49586514]How is musk a "hack fraud"?[/QUOTE] he's the batista of the technology sector besides the money laundering, wildly overambitious schemes, his efforts to constantly break into and dominate every market (from mass transit to space to electric cars), he's just a lucky guy who got rich off the one-time dotcom boom. it's all going to break down at some point in the future. if google makes a luxury electric car to compete with the tesla or something he's fucked

Not to mention that quite a few businesses would likely invest in this considering it effectively allows for people to commute all the way from LA to San Francisco on a daily basis. I shouldn't have to elaborate on the obvious benefits businesses in both cities would get from that.

I feel like the hyperloop is a moonshot but I'm glad we have people working on it.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49586529]that will be the same case with hyperloop - only rich people will use it[/quote] Again I don't understand what you're basing this assumption off of. [quote] it carries about 28 passengers per capsule, with a proposed headway (which is unrealistic) of 30 seconds. even allowing for this we get 3360 passengers in each direction an hour, which is less than the 12,000 passengers an hour on a typical high speed rail[/QUOTE] How do you know how many passengers per capsule when the capsule design hasn't been finalized?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49586538]Not to mention that quite a few businesses would likely invest in this considering it effectively allows for people to commute all the way from LA to San Francisco on a daily basis. I shouldn't have to elaborate on the obvious benefits businesses in both cities would get from that.[/QUOTE] I'm interesting in it for freight. If you could put containers on this thing it could be useful. [editline]22nd January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;49586547]Again I don't understand what you're basing this assumption off of. How do you know how many passengers per capsule when the capsule design hasn't been finalized?[/QUOTE] The 28 passenger figure is based off the original Elon Musk proposal, Specifically page 9: [url]http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/hyperloop_alpha.pdf[/url] Though I should reiterate that the HTT is not associated with Elon Musk, and the design is likely to change as time goes on and pods get tested.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49586547]Again I don't understand what you're basing this assumption off of.[/quote] because it will be an incredibly expensive project carrying small numbers of people. unless fares are high it won't recoup the investment [quote]How do you know how many passengers per capsule when the capsule design hasn't been finalized?[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_images/hyperloop-alpha.pdf[/url] [quote]1. Capsule: a. Sealed capsules carrying 28 passengers each that travel along the interior of the tube depart on average every 2 minutes from Los Angeles or San Francisco (up to every 30 seconds during peak usage hours)[/quote] [editline]22nd January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Teddybeer;49586536]Man your boring and just love stale thinking or achieving things many can only dream of. A clean slate the hyperloop has can also be beneficial instead of hiring people that want to do it the same way and are scared that if they do it differently it will cost them their comfy jobs[/QUOTE] people have used this logic to justify searching for the philosophers stone or cold fusion before. if you want to improve on mass transit you look at existing precedents and push them further. maglev is an innovative area that holds a lot of potential over the coming century. elon musk isn't a civil engineer, an economist, an architect, or a city planner or the like. he proposes to basically ignore a lot of existing scientific knowledge because the sci-fi aspects of a vacuum tube train seems cool. i mean proposing you build something like this on pylons isn't a design feature, it's a bug lol

[QUOTE=bdd458;49586389]i easily get motion sick, I don't think any of these new, super fast methods of transportation would ever agree with me.[/QUOTE] That makes me think; when I'm in a car or bus and don't look trough the window I easily get sick and I'm not the only one. With this being in a tight tube with no windows, I wonder if it might pose a problem. Also the maintenance of these things could be tricky. It would basically be like maintaining a small one way tunnel, if anything goes wrong there is not much you can do. The machines need to get inside from one of the openings and go all the way to the cause of the problem, and can't go around it, shutting everything down. Or if you want to work from the outside, disassemble a part of the track. I just can't see much benefit compared to a fast train. It's faster, but is usable only on shorter distances where I don't think 10-30 minute differences compared to a fast train mean that much, also taking into account all the cost, possible maintenance problems and other stuff.

Hyperloop has a lot of potential. Of course at first it's probably going to cost a lot and have teething issues, it's a whole new form of transport. [editline]22nd January 2016[/editline] Maglev is also very expensive. [QUOTE]The United States Federal Railroad Administration, in a 2005 report to Congress, estimated cost per mile of between $50m and $100m.[/QUOTE] Musk estimated Hyperloop could only cost $11.5 million per mile for a two way system.