NYPD Officer Peter Liang found guilty of manslaughter in fatal shooting of Akai Gurley in Brooklyn h - Polidicks

Source: [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-peter-liang-guilty-fatal-shooting-akai-gurley-article-1.2528827[/url] [QUOTE]The rookie NYPD cop who gunned down innocent and unarmed Akai Gurley in a Brooklyn housing project was convicted Thursday of manslaughter.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The shocking verdict was a powerful message from the jury that the public’s opinion on police killings has radically changed in the wake of Eric Garner, Walter Scott, Michael Brown and other tragedies around the country.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]The two cops said they weren’t confident in their training to administering CPR[/QUOTE] What a fucking joke.

:snip: Being tired is nice...

[QUOTE=daigennki;49733279]I have the feeling there is something we do not know, as usual... I am not saying that anybody in the situation did/didn't deserve anything, I am just saying that I cannot make up my mind because of doubt.[/QUOTE] ??? If there's one we all SHOULD know, it's that you shouldn't go shooting into dark alleyways in fear.

[QUOTE=axelord157;49733295]??? If there's one we all SHOULD know, it's that you shouldn't go shooting into dark alleyways in fear.[/QUOTE] Excuse me, well yes I suppose there is that. Now that I think about it, yes, the officer's reaction was too much. They are a police officer, they should know better than that. They deserved the verdict, this is how it should be. [editline]14th February 2016[/editline] Exactly this: [quote]"If you’re going to be doing a job, you shouldn’t be nervous or panicking and take somebody’s life for no reason," the 25-year-old said. "You have to be sure of what you’re doing."[/quote]

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;49733265]What a fucking joke.[/QUOTE] Are they serious. CPR is literally the most commonly known first-aid process and procedure out there, so much so, that literally anyone who works with children is required to get it. How these police officers "weren't confident" is the worst excuse I've ever heard. If a teenage babysitter knows how to do CPR, so should you.

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;49733265]What a fucking joke.[/QUOTE] If they're telling the truth, which I [I]highly[/I] doubt, that should've been grounds for suspension and remedial training until they were confident. CPR is so, so basic it's hard to put into words, my rescue team and I just taught [I]a class of high school freshmen[/I] how to do it and they passed the test. There is no excuse not to know it, and if you know it there is no excuse not to try.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49733419]Are they serious. CPR is literally the most commonly known first-aid process and procedure out there, so much so, that literally anyone who works with children is required to get it. How these police officers "weren't confident" is the worst excuse I've ever heard. If a teenage babysitter knows how to do CPR, so should you.[/QUOTE] We had to learn CPR in the last year of highschool here extensively at gym class just in case we'd need it in the future.

I think people grossly overestimate CPR.

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;49733265]What a fucking joke.[/QUOTE] I know right? It's not exactly difficult. How do you CPR? See below: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxjxfB4zNk[/media]

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;49733688]I think people grossly overestimate CPR.[/QUOTE] Nah man CPR is so easy and effective a 16 year old and revive a gunshot victim. According to this thread.

The thing is, a policeman is not an EMT. We know this. But the fact that he brought up "we weren't confident in CPR" in general is what's troubling. A gunshot wound wouldn't respond much to CPR anyway, but considering that's the case, I don't know why he would find it prudent to mention it at all??? He's trying to pass off his lack of CPR and first-aid knowledge as his reasoning for not stepping in to take any manner of responsibility or trying to help at all which is dumb.

It's not the idea that CPR wouldn't help, it's the fact that he wouldn't try to help the kid in any way, shape or form, not even to stem bleeding. Just sit there.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49734477]Nah man CPR is so easy and effective a 16 year old and revive a gunshot victim. According to this thread.[/QUOTE] It's more about the fact that it's an extremely simple procedure that all police officers are required to understand and perform, and they didn't even make an attempt.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;49733688]I think people grossly overestimate CPR.[/QUOTE] Most people with a clue know it won't do shit but you still administer it until someone tells you otherwise.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49736138]if someone doesn't know how to do it properly they can end up hurting the victim more than helping[/QUOTE] I know but these guys are cops who are required to have a BLS certification; there's really no excuse. Especially if he had no pulse there's not much worse you can do to him my opinion.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49733419]Are they serious. CPR is literally the most commonly known first-aid process and procedure out there, so much so, that literally anyone who works with children is required to get it. How these police officers "weren't confident" is the worst excuse I've ever heard. If a teenage babysitter knows how to do CPR, so should you.[/QUOTE] Going through training is not the same as actually doing CPR. Actual CPR is nasty stuff. [editline]13th February 2016[/editline] also CPR is greatly ineffective in practice and meant really to try and give them a better chance when ALS shows up.

It's a CPR Certified person's responsibility to step in and assist to the best of their ability. They tell you that when you take the 4+ hour training courses. They tell you multiple times. If one of my kids at work were to suffer an accident, it would be my responsibility to perform CPR to the best of my ability. [editline]13th February 2016[/editline] I can see why someone wouldn't attempt CPR in this situation. Like, I get it. But the fact that this officer brought it up like it was an excuse is what's bugging me.

This verdict seems like a double edged sword. On one hand, it shows police officers have to start being accountable. That's good. However, the article points out two officers were shot when they were on patrol in a set of stairwells at another housing project which is understandable if the officers are on guard in a area common for crime to occur. The officer letting himself panic and pull the trigger, let alone not feeling confident in administering CPR, is appalling. But I'm just an armchair critic, what do I know? The blind support for officers has to come to an end, and start holding them to higher standards expected of them but we can't allow ourselves to blindly hate the institution that is suppose to be there for us as well.

Police training needs to ease off the trigger finger and roll back to the age old "Protect and Serve" not "Shoot and Excuse". Half the population of the US has lost trust in local police departments, and there needs to be a serious conversation on how the police conducts its business.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49736564]Going through training is not the same as actually doing CPR. Actual CPR is nasty stuff. [editline]13th February 2016[/editline] also CPR is greatly ineffective in practice and meant really to try and give them a better chance when ALS shows up.[/QUOTE] That doesn't excuse their complete and total lack of even an [I]attempt[/I] to help out. If you're too squeamish to administer CPR or put pressure on a bleeding wound, then what the fuck are you doing in a profession where you might be required to fight for your life against someone who [I]will[/I] kill you if you don't? In hindsight, we know CPR wouldn't have saved this kid. But for the officers to suggest they didn't even try because they "weren't confident" is just disgusting. They're essentially saying "We let him die because we're incompetent" and I fail to see how that's a good defense.