That's right.
[quote]Oftentimes when those of us with a skeptical bent question ridiculous woo like homeopathy, we’re told, “Hey, it’s harmless! Leave it alone, why do you have to ruin these beliefs?”
Were people not putting their trust in things that won’t heal them–or, more importantly, heal their children, who have no say, or even their animals, who can’t talk–maybe we’d not get so riled.
Then again, maybe we would.
Is it ridiculous to believe, in the complete absence of scientific evidence of harm, that a Wi-Fi signal will cause gastrointestinal upset, infertility, and cancer? Sure is! But is it harmless?
Most folks can just say, “I won’t have Wi-Fi in my house,” and that’s that. But one parent decided to sue Portland Public Schools for having Wi-Fi in the public school. So far, his frivolous lawsuit has cost the taxpayers $172,000.
[quote]One year ago, the parent of a Portland Public Schools student sued the district with claims a new Wi-Fi network in his daughter’s middle school was poisoning her and potentially harming other students.
As WW reported, there’s no scientific evidence for such claims (see “Wi-Fi Woo-Woo,” WW, July 13, 2011). The parent, David Mark Morrison, who works as a rare-book dealer, is part of a pseudo-scientific movement that claims Wi-Fi and related technologies cause everything from brain cancer to infertility to digestive complaints.
Most studies that adherents cite as evidence haven’t been published or peer-reviewed in reputable scientific journals. Some anti-wireless websites sell literature and protective charms, including amulets and crystals.
Morrison’s case might have been easy to label as frivolous and, it seems, might have been headed for an early dismissal.
Not so. Portland Public Schools officials tell WW they have already spent $172,559 in public money to defend the district against Morrison’s claim that PPS’s Wi-Fi network has harmed his daughter.[/quote]
The bulk of that cost has gone to investigating and deposing expert witnesses . . . including Morrison’s star (t)witness, one Barrie Trower. Who’s he?
[quote]Trower claims he worked on a “stealth” microwave warfare program for the British Navy (noting he had no rank because he refused promotions) and was assigned to a secret British prison housing “spies, dissidents, international terrorists [and] gangland killers.”
Trower claims a bachelor’s degree in physics earned in night classes, has been repeatedly turned down by Ph.D. programs, and says he recently traveled to consult with “the king in South Africa” on Wi-Fi dangers. (South Africa abolished the monarchy in 1961.)[/quote]
Oh. A loon. Surprise, surprise.
We all know the arguments in favor of helping “the little guy” bring a lawsuit when there is a health hazard or other problem being covered up. Remember Erin Brockovich?
But it’s high time we found some middle ground. Teachers are being laid off and class sizes shrinking, and school districts are defending themselves against “experts” who have delusions about visiting non-existent kings?
I suppose “experts” who visit imaginary kings aren’t that much different from “experts” who have lengthy conversations with their imaginary friends and, instead of keeping it a secret or seeking counseling, instead advertise it as a qualification.[/quote]
[url]http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2012/06/who-says-woo-is-harmless-hows-a-school-district-blowing-172000-over-wi-fi-hazards/[/url]
[quote]The parent, David Mark Morrison, who works as a rare-book dealer, is part of a pseudo-scientific movement that claims Wi-Fi and related technologies cause everything from brain cancer to infertility to digestive complaints.[/quote]
Move along folks, just another retard.
[quote]Trower claims he worked on a “stealth” microwave warfare program for the British Navy (noting he had no rank because he refused promotions) and was assigned to a secret British prison housing “spies, dissidents, international terrorists [and] gangland killers.”Trower claims a bachelor’s degree in physics earned in night classes, has been repeatedly turned down by Ph.D. programs, and says he recently traveled to consult with “the king in South Africa” on Wi-Fi dangers. (South Africa abolished the monarchy in 1961.)
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And another.
We have enough real problems without bullshit lawsuits by people who have no fucking clue what they are talking about.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36531461]Move along folks, just another retard.
And another.[/QUOTE]
military posers and retards
they go hand in hand
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36531461]Move along folks, just another retard.
And another.[/QUOTE]
Problem is that it's not dismissed as 'just another retard' quick enough by the justice system. They end up wasting valuable resources for all parties involved.
I have been living with a wireless router next door for a few years pumping probably by now terabytes of data into the air. I guess I'm going to have cancer by the time I'm 23.
[QUOTE=Bobv2;36531534]I have been living with a wireless router next door for a few years pumping probably by now terabytes of data into the air. I guess I'm going to have cancer by the time I'm 23.[/QUOTE]
I got a wireless router/modem next to me now...i have a headache after reading that.
The radiation produced by cellphone and WiFi transmitters is non-ionizing(i.e. doesn't fuck up the cells in your body by stripping electrons from molecules). This is typically what happens when you sleep through Jr. High science class.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;36531811]The radiation produced by cellphone and WiFi transmitters is non-ionizing(i.e. doesn't fuck up the cells in your body by stripping electrons from molecules). This is typically what happens when you sleep through Jr. High science class.[/QUOTE]
i'm just going to go ahead and direct everyone who ever says wi-fi is harmful to this post
pretty much hits the nail on the head
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36531461]Move along folks, just another retard.
Trower claims he worked on a “stealth” microwave warfare program for the British Navy (noting he had no rank because he refused promotions) and was assigned to a secret British prison housing “spies, dissidents, international terrorists [and] gangland killers.”Trower claims a bachelor’s degree in physics earned in night classes, has been repeatedly turned down by Ph.D. programs, and says he recently traveled to consult with “the king in South Africa” on Wi-Fi dangers. (South Africa abolished the monarchy in 1961.)
And another.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
star (t)witness. hehe.
OH NO FREE INTERNET NOT THAT OH GOD HOW HORRIBLE
[editline]because automerge[/editline]
But really, how can this harm children?
I for one don't know anything about the effects of WiFi on people, so in a way that means I'm not bias on the subject, but I did notice how quick the article was to summarise the guy's research as pseudo-scientific without showing evidence for that claim.
It's very easy to get readers to side with you by pointing at stuff and saying "hurr durr how thick" etc.
snip broken automerge
[QUOTE=overpain;36532935]But really, how can this harm children?[/QUOTE]
magic.
I have a wireless router in my house, and so does almost everyone on my street, which are all in range of me no problem. There's so much Wi-fi going on that I've just recently turned into the elephant man
Hows about the Judge make this clown take some Labsim courses for computer repair and networking so he won't be such a dumbfuck
But... the waves with wavelengths much bigger than my entire body [I]ARE DEADLY[/I]!
and I thought it was because children would access the internet with their ipods and stuff during classes and not pay attention to their teachers. That would be understandeable.
Now this is not.
[QUOTE=D3TBS;36533391]and I thought it was because children would access the internet with their ipods and stuff during classes and not pay attention to their teachers. That would be understandeable.
Now this is not.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? Children do no such thing!... Ahem... :v:
Ontopic, retards like this are the best with their factless claims.
[QUOTE=TheSmartass;36532926]I for one don't know anything about the effects of WiFi on people, so in a way that means I'm not bias on the subject, but I did notice how quick the article was to summarise the guy's research as pseudo-scientific without showing evidence for that claim.
It's very easy to get readers to side with you by pointing at stuff and saying "hurr durr how thick" etc.[/QUOTE]
Well its pseudo science because it is scientifically wrong, it cannot harm you.
I heard that the radiation a wifi network gives off over the course of one year is equal to the amount of radiation you recieve from a 15 minute phone call
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;36533800]I heard that the radiation a wifi network gives off over the course of one year is equal to the amount of radiation you recieve from a 15 minute phone call[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY, and evryone knos that phones fry you're brian.
Well I dont call people that often so I'm cool
Why did it cost taxpayers so much money? Shouldn't a retarded lawsuit like this just be thrown out at the beginning stages? That's what should happen
[QUOTE=TheSmartass;36532926]I for one don't know anything about the effects of WiFi on people, so in a way that means I'm not bias on the subject, but I did notice how quick the article was to summarise the guy's research as pseudo-scientific without showing evidence for that claim.
It's very easy to get readers to side with you by pointing at stuff and saying "hurr durr how thick" etc.[/QUOTE]
I agree the article was somewhat sensationalized, but I'm not a big fan of "equal time for all opposing viewpoints" school of thought on journalism. If you want to find the actual medical sources proving his beliefs are not based on any scientific evidence you can do it on your own.
Just to be a bit helpful, there you go:
[url]http://www.rrjournal.org/doi/abs/10.1667/RR1460.1?journalCode=rare[/url]
Male and female mice, exposed to lifelong/constant electromagnetic fields associated with mobile phones for 4 generations, no changes in fertility were observed.
[url]http://www.rrjournal.org/doi/abs/10.1667/RR3078?journalCode=rare[/url]
Again mice were exposed to different amounts and lengths of electromagnetic radiation and their white blood cells (B and T cells and their spleens) were checked. RF radiation was found unlikely to have clinically significant effect on the immune system.
[url]http://www.rrjournal.org/doi/abs/10.1667/RR3555.1[/url]
Again mice, RF radiation in mobile phone/GSM range, checking for antibody production and B cell differentiation. No effects were indicated and no support for health threatening effects.
Of course there is no way these experiments can be run on people ethically, but still gives you a good idea that RF radiation is safe. Plus the doses these mice were exposed to is far more than a person will.
[editline]28th June 2012[/editline]
There are hundreds of other papers on these subjects and they are (or at least their abstracts are) just a google scholar search away.
i wonder what the king of south africa has to say about this
[QUOTE=Fetret;36534101]I agree the article was somewhat sensationalized, but I'm not a big fan of "equal time for all opposing viewpoints" school of thought on journalism. If you want to find the actual medical sources proving his beliefs are not based on any scientific evidence you can do it on your own.
Just to be a bit helpful, there you go:
[url]http://www.rrjournal.org/doi/abs/10.1667/RR1460.1?journalCode=rare[/url]
Male and female mice, exposed to lifelong/constant electromagnetic fields associated with mobile phones for 4 generations, no changes in fertility were observed.
[url]http://www.rrjournal.org/doi/abs/10.1667/RR3078?journalCode=rare[/url]
Again mice were exposed to different amounts and lengths of electromagnetic radiation and their white blood cells (B and T cells and their spleens) were checked. RF radiation was found unlikely to have clinically significant effect on the immune system.
[url]http://www.rrjournal.org/doi/abs/10.1667/RR3555.1[/url]
Again mice, RF radiation in mobile phone/GSM range, checking for antibody production and B cell differentiation. No effects were indicated and no support for health threatening effects.
Of course there is no way these experiments can be run on people ethically, but still gives you a good idea that RF radiation is safe. Plus the doses these mice were exposed to is far more than a person will.
[editline]28th June 2012[/editline]
There are hundreds of other papers on these subjects and they are (or at least their abstracts are) just a google scholar search away.[/QUOTE]
Or if you took physics you'd know the wavelength of wi-fi means the photons don't carry enough energy to ionize atoms. The worst that could happen is a body temperature increase of 0.0000001 degrees.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;36531811]The radiation produced by cellphone and WiFi transmitters is non-ionizing(i.e. doesn't fuck up the cells in your body by stripping electrons from molecules). This is typically what happens when you sleep through Jr. High science class.[/QUOTE]
Yeah well, people hear radiation and INSTANTLY they think
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because all radiation is actually that bad, right? :downs:
People annoy me.
Fucking Luddites.
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