MaSS Murdering 89 year old held on Auschwitz charges - Nazi Hunt - Polidicks

[quote]PHILADELPHIA — An 89-year-old Philadelphia man was ordered held without bail Wednesday on a German arrest warrant charging him with aiding and abetting the killing of 216,000 Jewish men, women and children while he was a guard at the Auschwitz death camp.[/quote] [quote]Breyer has admitted he was a guard at the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp in occupied Poland during World War II, but has said he was stationed outside the facility and had nothing to do with the wholesale slaughter of around 1.5 million Jews and others behind the gates.[/quote] Source - [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/johann-hans-breyer-held-auschwitz-death-camp-charges-n134696[/url] Are people really still devoting their lives to hunting down these senior citizens?

[/sigh] Frankly I think they should just stop with this, and close that part of the history book. Concentrate on the Neo-Nazi groups instead, and you'll probably achieve something more.

[QUOTE=McTbone;45153241]Source - [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/johann-hans-breyer-held-auschwitz-death-camp-charges-n134696[/url] Are people really still devoting their lives to hunting down these senior citizens?[/QUOTE] Germany is kind of like the Dark Angels in Warhammer 40k. They still care about all of the people that were involved in the Holocaust while the rest of the world has largely moved on. It's a sore point in their politics and national pride.

I mostly agree with everyone, but just because you were involved in a genocide doesn't mean you should be excused just because you're now old. But at the same time I can't see any possible benefit to having him locked up.

Will this witchhunt ever end? I bet we'll hear in the news sometime in the future about how a 105 year old man getting arrested over similar charges.

[QUOTE=Badballer;45153270]I mostly agree with everyone, but just because you were involved in a genocide doesn't mean you should be excused just because you're now old. But at the same time I can't see any possible benefit to having him locked up.[/QUOTE] But I thought Philadelphia was the city of Brotherly Love, Love your brother and all that? :v:

So I can get away with a random crime against humanity just by being old? Good to know. edit I'll rephrase that: "Oh look, it's one of those guys involved with that really big mass murder. But he's old so I'll just ignore it cause answering for our actions isn't important anymore."

[QUOTE=tirpider;45153291]So I can get away with a random crime against humanity just by being old? Good to know.[/QUOTE] Did you not read the original post? He was stationed at a facility outside of the camp. Garry please bring back the bad reading rating.

[QUOTE=tirpider;45153291]So I can get away with a random crime against humanity just by being old? Good to know.[/QUOTE] Don't start with this. We're just saying that even though these people have indeed committed crimes - I mean, even by that stripe, this fellow by his own confession just guarded the gates - is there really a point to hunt down every last one of them nearly 60 years after the war? You're better served spending your time and resources in dealing with threats of a more immediate nature like Neo-Nazi groups and sympathizers. And it isn't likely that such groups or people will try to even use the old guard (or in this case the really old guard) as some form of rallying point just for the sake of doing so. [quote]"Oh look, it's one of those guys involved with that really big mass murder. But he's old so I'll just ignore it cause answering for our actions isn't important anymore."[/quote] While it's true that those who have committed crimes must answer for their actions, I personally think at this point answering for his actions and apologizing for them should count as being enough. I see no point to locking him up in a cell for the rest of his years, honestly.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45153304]Don't start with this. We're just saying that even though these people have indeed committed crimes - I mean, even by that stripe, this fellow by his own confession just guarded the gates - is there really a point to hunt down every last one of them nearly 60 years after the war? You're better served spending your time and resources in dealing with threats of a more immediate nature like Neo-Nazi groups and sympathizers. And it isn't likely that such groups or people will try to even use the old guard (or in this case the really old guard) as some form of rallying point just for the sake of doing so.[/QUOTE] So the moral is wait till you are old to do your crimes. Young people have more important things to attend to.

[QUOTE=tirpider;45153291]So I can get away with a random crime against humanity just by being old? Good to know.[/QUOTE]If by "crime against humanity" you mean just be a small cog in the machine without any way to influence anything, then yes you should be able to get away with that. It's not like prosecuting this guy is going to change anything, it's not even going to bring closure to anyone. He was a nameless pawn, and my evidence for this is he hasn't been hunted down and killed already. Those guards who were real sons of bitches? Yeah, they didn't last long after the war, it's kind of hard to hide from something like that especially if thousands of people associate your face with torture they've endured.

This seems inherently wrong and stupid to me. I mean Christ, not only was he allegedly just a gate guard who didn't participate in the actual workings of the camp, but is there really a purpose to hunting down the grunts who were just following orders? Like what the fuck was he supposed to do? Attempt to singlehandedly break the prisoners out? Just not be stationed at a camp? Maybe I'm missing out on historical information that would condemn the security force, but unless his story consists of examples of willful cruelty above and beyond what was expected from him, why hunt down a guy like this?

[QUOTE=tirpider;45153315]So the moral is wait till you are old to do your crimes. Young people have more important things to attend to.[/QUOTE] I guess NoDachi has gotten a good following.

Dear Nazi hunters: Drop the fucking witchhunt and leave those guys alone, you're not helping anything by having 90 year olds locked up just because of something they did nearly 60 years ago.

[QUOTE]Thomas Will, deputy head of the federal German prosecutors' office responsible for looking into Nazi war crimes, which started [B]the new probe of Breyer and found there was enough evidence to recommend Weiden investigate further[/B], said he could not comment as the case was no longer his jurisdiction.[/QUOTE] Maybe he was more than a guard, eh? Anyone ever been in the military, assigned to work at a particular base and ended up doing the same job the whole time you were there? Didn't think so.

Besides, sending an 89 years old man to jail would be a pointless waste of time and money

I have to wonder how much budget and priority people put into researching family trees, connections, witness accounts, documents that may or may not have to be recovered through questionable means, and other factors just to hunt down these old bastards. It's less 'oh they should be let off the hook' and more, 'What are you resolving by doing this?' Self-righteous justice to those who've long moved on with their lives? Don't we have the fucking future to focus on instead of hunting down the past to destroy all traces of the negativity that survived it and feel good about ourselves?

So much complacency. Makes me ill. The vibe I am getting here is that it's OK to do whatever, as long as you don't get caught for x number of years. I'm not saying put him in old-man prison, just that if there are charges against him, he should have the chance to face those charges and if innocent, clear his name, or if guilty of crimes against friggin humanity, then face those consequences. Is that a waste of time? -edit.. Right.. too frustrating for me. I've repeated my view on it to many times anyway. Old people get a free pass for the shit they stirred when they were young, I get it. Have fun with that.

[QUOTE=tirpider;45153377]So much complacency. Makes me ill. The vibe I am getting here is that it's OK to do whatever, as long as you don't get caught for x number of years. I'm not saying put him in old-man prison, just that if there are charges against him, he should have the chance to face those charges and if innocent, clear his name, or if guilty of crimes against friggin humanity, then face those consequences. Is that a waste of time?[/QUOTE] It's been around, what, seventy years since World War II? Yeah, they did crimes and if it's something they fess up to on their own accord to atone or such, or they commit another crime and records show their past 'exploits' then that's one thing. But it's effectively 'oh hey this guy's a former Nazi guard.' It's a modern generation perspective of how it feels like a misguided attribution of resources and effort to hunt these guys down when there's probably much more important things to be dealing with.

[b]70 years later[/b] and we're hunting down soldiers that had nothing or little to do with the Nazi war crimes.

I'm curious what they have on him since they've been so relentless trying to get him. Other people that have been just guards have been let go in the past. Can't really excuse those causalities IMO if it really is true

Why does it take so long for them to track down these guys? Weren't confidential lists of names burnt and lost forever or recovered at the time?

The Fourth Reich are really trying hard to cover their tracks, What are they even gonna do? Throw every former Nazi and their descendants into concentration camps just for revenge for something that happened before most people alive today were even born?

[quote]-edit.. Right.. too frustrating for me. I've repeated my view on it to many times anyway. Old people get a free pass for the shit they stirred when they were young, I get it. Have fun with that.[/quote] We've already established that it's no good beating the same dead horse. We aren't saying they should get a free pass, as far as most of us are concerned, an apology and an acknowledgement that they were part of a genocide should be more than enough to suffice at this point.

[QUOTE=tirpider;45153377]So much complacency. Makes me ill. The vibe I am getting here is that it's OK to do whatever, as long as you don't get caught for x number of years. I'm not saying put him in old-man prison, just that if there are charges against him, he should have the chance to face those charges and if innocent, clear his name, or if guilty of crimes against friggin humanity, then face those consequences. Is that a waste of time?[/QUOTE] We are nearly 70 years down the road from that time. The world is a different place and this man is a different person. There is nothing to gain from this 'justice'. Only money spent and a hollow sense of satisfaction. Do you think that this man has not already had the time to reflect on what he did, and what he could have done? Wouldn't the point of his imprisonment to have him reflect and reform himself? Or would you prefer to detain this menace, this danger to society until the end of his days? Your masturbatory bloodthirst sickens me.

[QUOTE=tirpider;45153291]So I can get away with a random crime against humanity just by being old? Good to know. [/QUOTE] he already did prosecuting him now doesn't accomplish anything

Just to clear things up, how old is too old to prosecute? We've established that 70 years is long enough that folks should just "get over it". Can the same be said for 50? (I'm already too old to wait 70 years.) What I am getting at is that something like this could really boost book sales. Kill a few hundred children in my basement then spend the next several decades writing a book about it and wait till the right "get over it" time passes and make a killing on the book sales.

[QUOTE=tirpider;45153526]Just to clear things up, how old is too old to prosecute? We've established that 70 years is long enough that folks should just "get over it". Can the same be said for 50? (I'm already too old to wait 70 years.) What I am getting at is that something like this could really boost book sales. Kill a few hundred children in my basement then spend the next several decades writing a book about it and wait till the right "get over it" time passes and make a killing on the book sales.[/QUOTE] Apples and oranges, how are they the same?

you're still talking like he did this "crime" of being a guard just yesterday, it has nothing to do with his age, but the crime's age. look up the 5 purposes of capital punishment and ask yourself if those purposes still hold any water when the crime is 70 years old

[QUOTE=Blargtastic;45153330]This seems inherently wrong and stupid to me. I mean Christ, not only was he allegedly just a gate guard who didn't participate in the actual workings of the camp, but is there really a purpose to hunting down the grunts who were just following orders? Like what the fuck was he supposed to do? Attempt to singlehandedly break the prisoners out? Just not be stationed at a camp? Maybe I'm missing out on historical information that would condemn the security force, but unless his story consists of examples of willful cruelty above and beyond what was expected from him, why hunt down a guy like this?[/QUOTE] if this was the Angel of Death then yes he should be locked up but since he's just a gate gared had he done anything he would most likely killed and his family ( most likely forced to watch them die as well.)