Corbyn does not need to get nominated by MPs again, Labour's NEC rules - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36778135[/url] [quote]Jeremy Corbyn will be automatically included on the ballot in Labour's leadership contest following a vote by the ruling National Executive Committee. Unions said party rules were clear the incumbent who is challenged must be allowed to stand, but his opponents said he needed the support of 51 MPs or MEPs.[/quote]

Fair enough, given that it's a leadership challenge and it wouldn't be much of a challenge to his leadership if he wasn't allowed to be a part of it. It would just be a replacement. He was allowed to vote in this decision, but that wouldn't of made a difference to the outcome anyway.

Good

He'll likely win a leadership election again, he's got a lot of followers. But even with a second vote giving him the position he's not got the confidence of his party members. But given the way our electoral system works you shouldn't be voting for someone to be the PM anyway, you should be voting for the best person to run your constituency.

this whole thing is bullshit anyway. fuck these blairite leftovers, who are they to overrule the will of the people.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;50698742]this whole thing is bullshit anyway. fuck these blairite leftovers, who are they to overrule the will of the people.[/QUOTE] They're not overruling the will of "the people" they're overruling hard left nutters who don't know when to back down.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50698802]They're not overruling the will of "the people" they're overruling hard left nutters who don't know when to back down.[/QUOTE]jeremy was voted in by majority by every section of the membership. these are the people who knock on doors, raise money and are the grassroots.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699157]jeremy was voted in by majority by every section of the membership. these are the people who knock on doors, raise money and are the grassroots.[/QUOTE] They're also crashing the party into the ground. But hey at least we'll have principled opposition!

Crashing the party into the ground is kind of his point isn't it. He's returning labour to it's original core values, when recently they've been such a poor opposition to the conservatives because they're almost the same.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699260]They're also crashing the party into the ground. But hey at least we'll have principled opposition![/QUOTE]have they been crashing the party into the ground for the past 6 years? do you have a suggestion for an alternative leader who will similarly engage both the membership and the overall electorate? you talk like labour was in peak form before corbyn came in, the candidates he was up against were somehow even worse than him.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699275]have they been crashing the party into the ground for the past 6 years? do you have a suggestion for an alternative leader who will similarly engage both the membership and the overall electorate? you talk like labour was in peak form before corbyn came in, the candidates he was up against were somehow even worse than him.[/QUOTE] Well even a collie would probably do a better job as leader than Corbyn, at least it would be more likable.

Is there any legitimate justification for this other than Brexit apparently being all Corbyn's fault? I know that his foreign policy is a bit lacking, but he's not the guy who pushed the UK into Iraq.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699289]Well even a collie would probably do a better job as leader than Corbyn, at least it would be more likable.[/QUOTE]joke reply more real than an alternative to corbyn lol

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;50699296]Is there any legitimate justification for this other than Brexit apparently being all Corbyn's fault? I know that his foreign policy is a bit lacking, but he's not the guy who pushed the UK into Iraq.[/QUOTE] He's just overall rubbish and has polled as one of the worst labour leaders to date, he just has a cult following that defends him at every corner.

labour got themselves into this position by parachuting MPs into safe seats during the blair/brown years to the point where they have no actual talent [QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699300]He's just overall rubbish and has polled as one of the worst labour leaders to date, he just has a cult following that defends him at every corner.[/QUOTE] and yet he polls better than any other alternative, that's what i'm asking

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699260]They're also crashing the party into the ground. But hey at least we'll have principled opposition![/QUOTE] Labour have been a stagnant mess of a party for quite a while now. They couldn't beat the tories because they aren't conservative enough to pull Tories in, they can only compete with the Lib Dems and the Greens because both of those parties lost a lot of public support (or never really had it in the case of the Greens) last GE. Their shift more towards centre-right hasn't done them many favours. It's not like the competition is in particularly good shape either, the Tories are currently undergoing a bit of a faff with the whole "we just ruined the country on the International stage and our PM is unelected" stuff. The Lib Dems have some dude barely anybody knows running them. UKIP basically don't exist in any reasonable capacity any more. The Greens are still the Greens. The only competition they have that really isn't falling apart in some way aren't parties in England itself. Even if he "crashed" the party, it'd at least give them a chance to restructure and rebrand properly and try and fix the Blairite mess they became, maybe pulling back some support they lost during the last few years.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699299]joke reply more real than an alternative to corbyn lol[/QUOTE] There's no doubt labour has a bit of a talent deficit, but Corbyn is legitimately awful and almost any of the other people standing would do better than him. [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;50699307]Labour have been a stagnant mess of a party for quite a while now. They couldn't beat the tories because they aren't conservative enough to pull Tories in, they can only compete with the Lib Dems and the Greens because both of those parties lost a lot of public support (or never really had it in the case of the Greens) last GE. Their shift more towards centre-right hasn't done them many favours. It's not like the competition is in particularly good shape either, the Tories are currently undergoing a bit of a faff with the whole "we just ruined the country on the International stage and our PM is unelected" stuff. The Lib Dems have some dude barely anybody knows running them. UKIP basically don't exist in any reasonable capacity any more. The Greens are still the Greens. The only competition they have that really isn't falling apart in some way aren't parties in England itself. Even if he "crashed" the party, it'd at least give them a chance to restructure and rebrand properly and try and fix the Blairite mess they became, maybe pulling back some support they lost during the last few years.[/QUOTE] I think they could compete if they went for more of a centre stance, there's a reason why Tony did so well after all.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699309]There's no doubt labour has a bit of a talent deficit, but Corbyn is legitimately awful and almost any of the other people standing would do better than him. [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] I think they could compete if they went for more of a centre stance, there's a reason why Tony did so well after all.[/QUOTE]what centre stance? they did that in the last 2 elections, the tory party have control of the centre now. that's why they keep winning. camerons side of the tories is literally based on blair.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699306]labour got themselves into this position by parachuting MPs into safe seats during the blair/brown years to the point where they have no actual talent and yet he polls better than any other alternative, that's what i'm asking[/QUOTE] He only polls better among the membership, not against the population as a whole. [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699323]what centre stance? they did that in the last 2 elections, the tory party have control of the centre now. that's why they keep winning.[/QUOTE] Ed is a pretty complex case since he was doomed for more reason than just his stance (which wasn't actually 'Tory lite' as people like to imply). You can't really use him as an example of centre politics not being popular.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699324]He only polls better among the membership, not against the population as a whole.[/QUOTE]before the coup he was polling even with the tories, and overtook cameron in the opinion polls [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699324]Ed is a pretty complex case since he was doomed for more reason than just his stance (which wasn't actually 'Tory lite' as people like to imply). You can't really use him as an example of centre politics not being popular.[/QUOTE]oh and corbyn isn't a complex case? the labour manifesto still included cuts, the manifesto still agreed with the lie that public overspending by labour caused the economic woes in 08, it still went along with the whole national credit card idea. it was 100% austerity lite.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699339]before the coup he was polling even with the tories, and overtook cameron in the opinion polls [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] oh and corbyn isn't a complex case? the labour manifesto still included cuts, the manifesto still agreed with the lie that public overspending by labour caused the economic woes in 08, it still went along with the whole national credit card idea. it was 100% austerity lite.[/QUOTE] He wasn't polling even with the Tories at all, he's stayed around 32-30% since he was made leader and hasn't really budged from that. Corbyn is just a 1983 repeat waiting to happen. And of course they had some austerity, good luck winning an election by saying you're going to blow loads of money away and raise taxes like Corbyn is.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699365]He wasn't polling even with the Tories at all, he's stayed around 32-30% since he was made leader and hasn't really budged from that. Corbyn is just a 1983 repeat waiting to happen. And of course they had some austerity, good luck winning an election by saying you're going to blow loads of money away and raise taxes like Corbyn is.[/QUOTE]austerity has no basis in economic reality

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699368]austerity has no basis in economic reality[/QUOTE] Not Tory level austerity, but you need some otherwise you'll end up in horrific debt.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699375]Not Tory level austerity, but you need some otherwise you'll end up in horrific debt.[/QUOTE]every attempt at austerity has never resulted in lowering debt without cannibalizing GDP, even the IMF has moved away from it

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699394]every attempt at austerity has never resulted in lowering debt[/QUOTE] The Tories austerity never has, mostly because they cut taxes at the same time and stop helping income creating services, but that's a problem with how they apply it, you can't just spend indefinitely, which is what all popular labour governments have realised to some extent.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699260]They're also crashing the party into the ground. But hey at least we'll have principled opposition![/QUOTE] haha whatever dude this attitude is literally the problem, people like you did more damage to labour than corbyn ever could.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;50699410]haha whatever dude this attitude is literally the problem, people like you did more damage to labour than corbyn ever could.[/QUOTE] Are you one of those people who blames 1983 on the SDP rather than the fact that the policy was shit and nobody liked it?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699406]The Tories austerity never has, mostly because they cut taxes at the same time and stop helping income creating services, but that's a problem with how they apply it, you can't just spend indefinitely, which is what all popular labour governments have realised to some extent.[/QUOTE]the financial crisis had nothing to do with borrowing or overspending 'tory austerity' is the same as spanish austerity or greek austerity or irish austerity, it has never worked [editline]13th July 2016[/editline] [video]https://youtu.be/JQuHSQXxsjM[/video] give this a watch

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50699420]the financial crisis had nothing to do with borrowing or overspending 'tory austerity' is the same as spanish austerity or greek austerity or irish austerity, it has never worked[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about the financial crisis, that's a separate issue, I'm saying you can't advertise your party on rampant overspending otherwise you'll never win voters confidence.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50699431]I'm not talking about the financial crisis, that's a separate issue, I'm saying you can't advertise your party on rampant overspending otherwise you'll never win voters confidence.[/QUOTE]there's a difference between advertisting your party on rampant overspending (which corbyn does not do) and accepting the fact that austerity does not work the financial crisis is THE issue, the public spending myth is entirely based on connecting it to that economic situation