• Trump to conservative leaders: If this plan fails, I'll blame Democrats
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[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/donald-trump-conservative-leaders/index.html"]SAUCE[/URL] [QUOTE]Washington (CNN)In an Oval Office meeting featuring several leaders of conservative groups already lining up against the House Republican plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, President Donald Trump revealed [U][B]his plan in the event the GOP effort fails: Allow [/B][/U][U][B]Obamcare[/B][/U][U][B] to fail and let Democrats take the blame[/B][/U], sources at the gathering told CNN. During the hour-long meeting, sources said Trump chastised the groups -- including Club for Growth, the Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks and the Tea Party Patriots -- for calling the House GOP proposal "Obamacare lite," warning the tea party activists, "you are helping the other side." In true Trump fashion, the President jumped into salesman mode, sources at the meeting said. "This is going to be great. You're going to make it even greater," the President told the group. "I'm going to work hard to get it done." The meeting between Trump and the conservative leaders also included White House senior advisers Steve Bannon, Reince Priebus, Kellyanne Conway and Marc Short, as well as other top West Wing staff. Sources at the meeting said White House aides showed some openness to one aspect of the House GOP plan that has become an irritant to tea party aligned groups: the provision that pushes back an overhaul of the expansion Obamacare Medicaid funding until 2020. The conservative groups at the meeting asked that the date be moved up to January 1, 2018. White House aides said they were "open to discussing" it, sources said. [B][I]Concerns were also raised about the tax credits in the House GOP plan which allow lower-income Americans to buy health insurance, financial assistance that [U]tea party groups see as subsidies.[/U][/I][/B] "They counter-punched hard on that," a source at the meeting said of the White House response. Office of Management and Budget director Mick Mulvaney, a former member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, gave an impassioned defense of the tax credits, a display that surprised attendees from the conservative groups. "He was very defensive about it," one attendee said about Mulvaney. Confident that the health care plan will pass the House, [U][B]Trump laid out his strategy for winning passage in the Senate, telling the meeting he will campaign heavily in red states featuring vulnerable Democrats up for re-election.[/B][/U] [U][B]"Trump said he will have football stadium events in states where he won by 10-12 points and he is going to dare people to vote against him,"[/B][/U] a source at the meeting said. As for prominent Republican opponents of the health care plan, Trump sounded optimistic. On Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, the President was effusive about his one-time primary rival. "I love him. He's a friend. He's going to end up voting for it," the President told the group. A source at the meeting was astonished as to how White House staff could have been so blindsided by the initial conservative opposition to the GOP plan. "We telegraphed it for weeks," one tea party official at the meeting said. A WH official at the meeting said: "It was a legit policy meeting -- real discussion about specifics." "The president expressed that he was open to things that could improve the bill, but was also clear that this is the vehicle -- this is the chance to repeal and replace." [/QUOTE] For reference, under this plan as it stands, [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/08/upshot/who-wins-and-who-loses-under-republicans-health-care-plan.html"]poor people will pay more (especially old poor people) and mid-high income people will get a break.[/URL]
[quote]warning the tea party activists, "you are helping the other side."[/quote] Motherfucker this is about running a country not winning some damn ball game
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51934144] For reference, under this plan as it stands, [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/08/upshot/who-wins-and-who-loses-under-republicans-health-care-plan.html"]poor people will pay more (especially old poor people) and mid-high income people will get a break.[/URL][/QUOTE] Well now I can see why some users think the Republican healthcare plan is better than Obamacare.
[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;51934157]Motherfucker this is about running a country not winning some damn ball game[/QUOTE] Best part is, a good chunk of the people in the "Stadium sized events" he'll hold to blame the Democrats for not passing this garbage-tier bill will be people who will suffer if the GOP plan passes.
[quote]Trump laid out his strategy for winning passage in the Senate, telling the meeting he will campaign heavily in red states featuring vulnerable Democrats up for re-election.[/quote] How about instead of trying to look to the next set of elections [I]eight months[/I] away, start focusing on doing your damn job right [I]today?[/I]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51934178]How about instead of trying to look to the next set of elections [I]eight months[/I] away, start focusing on doing your damn job right [I]today?[/I][/QUOTE] If the Democrats are smart they'll start running ads EARLY in competitive states slamming Trump and the GOP health bill for what it is: trash, [B]while contrasting it with improvements to the ACA (public option) that will be proposed in a Democratic majority Congress. <------ [/B]This last bit is key because too long the Dems have relied on "...but look how bad Trump is" without showing people WHY THEY SHOULD VOTE DEM!
Not the first time I've heard a republican say "if it doesn't work we blame the democrats".
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;51934244]Not the first time I've heard a republican say "if it doesn't work we blame the democrats".[/QUOTE] Blaming the other side and bad governance is the GOP's modus operandi.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51934162]Well now I can see why some users think the Republican healthcare plan is better than Obamacare.[/QUOTE] Reminds me of a post I made recently about how my Aunt and Uncle don't give a shit about other people and just complain about taxes. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=d00msdaydan;51934157]Motherfucker this is about running a country not winning some damn ball game[/QUOTE] That's just it though, he's totally oblivious to doing real good and just wants to meet his bizarre conditions for WINNING.
[QUOTE=Xubs;51934322] when will this all be over? im just, done. this is all too much for me anymore at this point. i dont know whether to feel despair, depression, malice, or wistfulness. i just want things to go back to when i didnt have to be afraid for the life of myself and my own family. I am living every single goddamn day in constant fear from everyone around me and its destroying my life[/QUOTE] ALL'S BAD THAT ENDS BAD THIS COUNTRY WILL BE LED TO A BREAKING POINT CALL ME CRAZY BUT CRAZY IS TRENDING
:what: I shouldn't even be surprised he was going to blame the democrats if it failed but this is literally some shit out of a 90s cartoon by now. He thinks this is all some huge joke and a game to play.
Is our country being led by the Legion of Doom because it sure feels like it at this point.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51934633]Is our country being led by the Legion of Doom because it sure feels like it at this point.[/QUOTE] Describing everything the Reps do to the environment and their own constituents as less then diabolical would be an understatement.
You remember when in one of his victory speeches trump said: "we must now start healing the political divide between us"
Can a Trump supporter defend this, anyone? Or is this another case of "It goes against my narrative, FAKE NEWS"
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51934703]You remember when in one of his victory speeches trump said: "we must now start healing the political divide between us"[/QUOTE] He meant by ensuring there is no political divide, by eradicating the democrats. Of course, Trump also has a habit of, as my grandparents would have said (translated from a broad Scots dialect known as Doric) "opening his mouth and letting his belly rumble." Nothing he says is of any substance if it is addressed to the public.
I mean, this is what I expected they'd do, yeah.
So, basically, business as usual on capitol hill, where the party in power gives zero fucks about the common man and enriches themselves instead. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Xubs;51934322]this fucking plan they showed off recently and this shit is gonna kill my grandfather and he got off the phone screaming about how its the best thing this country has ever seen because it "expands the ACA" that "obama tried to kill," god fucking help this fucking nation. he'll support it to his dying breath too because the republican party supported it, and there are many more in my family exactly like this. [I]the majority[/I] in my family is like this. the majority of the republicans that ive met in my life are all like this. every last republican senator deserves the everlasting fires of Hell. there ain't a good fucking republican senator on this goddamn earth anymore, I guarantee it. all of them, evil. they couldn't conjure fake sympathy if they fucking [I]tried[/I]. i am just sick of all of this. just fucking sick of it. i hate these people. i cant help it anymore. i loathe them. ill never look a republican in the eye for the rest of my life for all they've said and done. selling out the american people for a lousy fucking buck, is all it is. and for what? to say you fucking won? do you feel like fucking winners you subhuman slime? these people are the scum under my boot. they'll literally kill my own damn family and these scumfucks will get away with it with a smile and cheers from the crowd. i think i am justified to say that i [I]hate[/i] the republican party and their supporters for all they've done at this point. [B]hate, hate, hate, hate, hate[/B] the republican party and everyone associated with it. people always ask me and everyone else to be nuanced about this, but why shouldn't I hate them? they already began the hate by hating my identity, they hate the identity of all my friends, they support causes that will kill most of my family and my friends... and im just supposed to sit back and be nuanced about all this and say "well, some of the republican party and their ideas are good"? no, they're evil. this is the straw that breaks the camel's back for me. they're [I]all[/I] evil. and I hate every last one of them. the senators, the representatives, the donors, the campaigners, and the supporters. i. [B][I]hate[/I][/B]. all of them. these master scumfucks have managed to convince the majority of the american public that their evil, dangerously stupid, stone age primitive ways are not only normal, but saintly. they WILL get away with this, I promise. they can get away with fucking [I]genocide[/I] at this point. hell, half of their supporters would probably not complain about one. I guarantee that too. when will this all be over? im just, done. this is all too much for me anymore at this point. i dont know whether to feel despair, depression, malice, or wistfulness. i just want things to go back to when i didnt have to be afraid for the life of myself and my own family. I am living every single goddamn day in constant fear from everyone around me and its destroying my life[/QUOTE] ....hate is what they want. A divided nation is one that is easy for the gop to skullfuck. Drop your hate and find a way to convince their supporters that they are shooting themselves in the foot by voting red instead. All you accomplish by hating the gop is making it easy for them to win, they use your anger as ammo against the blue team and leverage it to stay in power.
[QUOTE=Porkychop~;51934411]ALL'S BAD THAT ENDS BAD THIS COUNTRY WILL BE LED TO A BREAKING POINT CALL ME CRAZY BUT CRAZY IS TRENDING[/QUOTE] :what:
[QUOTE=Redcoat893;51934777]Can a Trump supporter defend this, anyone? Or is this another case of "It goes against my narrative, FAKE NEWS"[/QUOTE] Well Tudd got banned, so there's probably only a couple of vocal idiots that would be willing to jump in.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51935411]Well Tudd got banned, so there's probably only a couple of vocal idiots that would be willing to jump in.[/QUOTE] Tudd would never come into a thread like this anyway.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51935053]So, basically, business as usual on capitol hill, where the party in power gives zero fucks about the common man and enriches themselves instead. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] ....hate is what they want. A divided nation is one that is easy for the gop to skullfuck. Drop your hate and find a way to convince their supporters that they are shooting themselves in the foot by voting red instead. All you accomplish by hating the gop is making it easy for them to win, they use your anger as ammo against the blue team and leverage it to stay in power.[/QUOTE] Have you ever heard of the term 'pigeon chess'? Because conservatives (even the ones on this forum) are masters at it. It's a waste of time on the majority of conservatives I've spoken to. Why should we collectively keep rubbing our faces on a brick wall?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51935474]Tudd would never come into a thread like this anyway.[/QUOTE] As much as I hate this orange-faced demagogue, I have to say that if I was Tudd I wouldn't come into this thread either, since it's pretty obvious that people will be pointing fingers into his face like you guys are.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;51936338]As much as I hate this orange-faced demagogue, I have to say that if I was Tudd I wouldn't come into this thread either, since it's pretty obvious that people will be pointing fingers into his face like you guys are.[/QUOTE] When you keep defending everything Trump does, you're asking for it.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51936385]When you keep defending everything Trump does, you're asking for it.[/QUOTE] Yeah tudd doesn't have to defend everything Trump does but for some reason he can't stop
GJ, this attitude isn't helping anything. I guess it's nice to know who to put blame on in advance rather than having to guess with the Democrats in power (though since it's the same shit on both sides, it's never particularly a surprise).
[QUOTE=Chonch;51936490]I guess it's nice to know who to put blame on in advance rather than having to guess with the Democrats in power [/QUOTE] Can you elaborate
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51935819]Have you ever heard of the term 'pigeon chess'? Because conservatives (even the ones on this forum) are masters at it. It's a waste of time on the majority of conservatives I've spoken to. Why should we collectively keep rubbing our faces on a brick wall?[/QUOTE] Getting angry at them only fuels them. Find another solution.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51937400]Getting angry at them only fuels them. Find another solution.[/QUOTE] So what do you suggest we do to a collective that refuses to listen to reason, denies reality, and takes pride in ignorance? Education doesn't work, polite discourse is next to impossible, and they find joy in spitefulness. Where do we go from here?
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51937562]So what do you suggest we do to a collective that refuses to listen to reason, denies reality, and takes pride in ignorance? Education doesn't work, polite discourse is next to impossible, and they find joy in spitefulness. Where do we go from here?[/QUOTE] The reason people are like that is because they grow up in environments where that is the norm, so you need to take them out of that zone and show them other viewpoints in a positive environment. If you reach out and try and befriend them it'll be far more effective at changing people's minds than dismissing and mocking them. Anger is easy, compassion and patience aren't.
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