Donald Trump’s wall the 'most idiotic thing I have ever seen', says developer asked to build it - Polidicks

[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/donald-trump-wall-mexico-developer-says-most-idiotic-thing-ever-jorge-perez-a7556581.html[/url] [IMG]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2017/02/01/09/jorge-perez.gif[/IMG] [QUOTE]Miami real estate tycoon Jorge Perez said he declined an invitation by President Donald Trump to help build a wall along the US border with Mexico, describing the plan as “idiotic.” Perez, a billionaire who has built Trump-branded towers in South Florida, said the president e-mailed him after the inauguration with plans for the wall and asked if he’d be interested in working on it. In an interview at the offices of his company, Related Group, the Argentine-born developer said he politely declined and joked about which side of the barrier he would end up on. He spoke in stronger terms during the interview. Financing the wall with a border tax on imports would mean the cost will ultimately be passed on to US consumers, and protectionism could risk triggering a trade war with Mexico, Perez said. “The wall is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever seen or heard in my life,” said Perez, who was raised in Colombia by Cuban parents. “A wall for what? You think a wall is going to stop people that are hungry? Good employment in Mexico, economic growth in Mexico, equality is going to stop people from coming over the border.” The White House press office didn’t respond to requests for comment. [/QUOTE]

That's too much like good common sense for the average Republican politician to understand.

[B]You're fired![/B]

I wonder if any developer will ever accept the offfer to build [I]the[/I] wall.

[QUOTE=pipantarctic;51766572]I wonder if any developer will ever accept the offfer to build [I]the[/I] wall.[/QUOTE] I'm sure some conservative businessman with money lying around will diversify into construction if there will be no takers. Money is a powerful motivating force.

[QUOTE]Perez, a billionaire who has built Trump-branded towers in South Florida[/QUOTE] So even people who've worked for Trump are saying this is ball-to-the-wall stupid. That's a little reassuring, at least.

Trump currently planning his next tweet to try to sink Perez's business stocks. [editline]2nd February 2017[/editline] "Lazy UNPATRIOTIC Jorge Perez won't do the right thing, despite taking my money and brand to build his company. Sad!"

[QUOTE=pipantarctic;51766572]I wonder if any developer will ever accept the offfer to build [I]the[/I] wall.[/QUOTE] Someone will and it's going to be a sickeningly corrupt grift where someone pockets billions of dollars while building it with concrete that's 95% sand.

Grass is green, water is wet...

Are they going to pay American builders proper salaries to build it too? Was that the plan? Would be funny if it was built by Mexican workers on the cheap.

[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;51766609]Someone will and it's going to be a sickeningly corrupt grift where someone pockets billions of dollars while building it with concrete that's 95% sand.[/QUOTE] And 5% dead bodies of the illegal immigrant workers and/or prisoners used to build it.

[QUOTE=cyanidem;51766611]Are they going to pay American builders proper salaries to build it too?[/QUOTE] "You're doing a good job for the sake of our GREAT country, you'll get minimum wage and like it! your satisfaction at helping us should more than be adequate recompense!"

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51766579]I'm sure some conservative businessman with money lying around will diversify into construction if there will be no takers. Money is a powerful motivating force.[/QUOTE] Considering the amount of work and time that will be needed to successfully build the wall and the likelyhood that Trump will be re-elected at the current rate, I don't know if anyone would even begin what is a massive waste of resources. One has to always assume there would be someone who is mad enough though.

Hey, if he's gonna be offering, I'd join the wall building effort. But then 2 years later, they would realize that I just stole all their wheelbarrows for my wheelbarrow collection.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51766579]I'm sure some conservative businessman with money lying around will diversify into construction if there will be no takers. Money is a powerful motivating force.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that such a huge project is just [I]ripe[/I] for corruption. Expect at least $250 million to go totally unaccounted for forever. It just [I]walked off the back of a truck[/I] somewhere, you know how it is with a quarter of a billion dollars, shit just goes missing sometimes! :downs:

[QUOTE=Xamad;51766589]So even people who've worked for Trump are saying this is ball-to-the-wall stupid. That's a little reassuring, at least.[/QUOTE] I think pretty much anyone who's ever worked with trump has come out and said he's balls-to-the-walls stupid

SAD! This person doesn't want to MAGA by wasting billions of dollars of tax payers money.

Sounds like someone just jumped ahead in the line for deportation, Mr Perez

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51766720]Not to mention that such a huge project is just [I]ripe[/I] for corruption. Expect at least $250 million to go totally unaccounted for forever. It just [I]walked off the back of a truck[/I] somewhere, you know how it is with a quarter of a billion dollars, shit just goes missing sometimes! :downs:[/QUOTE] Lmao, I hadn't even thought of this possibility. [B]The fact that the Republicans can just sneak policies by Congress without going through due process but their voters believe money just won't end up missing[/B] (bolded to avoid farmers cherrypicking) during the construction of this wall is fucking hilarious. Do people even go to school anymore or is their learning strictly through their biased parents that lived in an era where easy access to information and knowledge didn't exist. For people who hail liberals/leftists as closed-minded fools, they sure don't move at all from their position huh?

[QUOTE=Kagu;51766827]Lmao, I hadn't even thought of this possibility. [B]The fact that the Republicans can just sneak policies by Congress without going through due process but their voters believe money just won't end up missing[/B](bolded to avoid farmers cherrypicking) during the construction of this wall is fucking hilarious. Do people even go to school anymore or is their learning strictly through their biased parents that lived in an era where easy access to information and knowledge didn't exist. For people who hail liberals/leftists as closed-minded fools, they sure don't move at all from their position huh?[/QUOTE] The sad part is even if this happens, most of them don't really likely care tbh Corruption is expected on both sides of the argument, they could care less because they have their own problems to worry about.

[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;51766609]Someone will and it's going to be a sickeningly corrupt grift where someone pockets billions of dollars while building it with concrete that's 95% sand.[/QUOTE] I rescind my statement, building it with concrete that's 95% sand would be awesome since any illegal immigrant can just kick the wall down and walk right on in.

[QUOTE=Kagu;51766827]Lmao, I hadn't even thought of this possibility. [B]The fact that the Republicans can just sneak policies by Congress without going through due process but their voters believe money just won't end up missing[/B](bolded to avoid farmers cherrypicking) during the construction of this wall is fucking hilarious. Do people even go to school anymore or is their learning strictly through their biased parents that lived in an era where easy access to information and knowledge didn't exist. For people who hail liberals/leftists as closed-minded fools, they sure don't move at all from their position huh?[/QUOTE] A certain (sizable) segment of American Christianity as it is practiced today de-emphasizes critical thinking skills and encourages listening to a higher power. In other words, authoritarianism. Who hasn't heard the 'funny' news stories of the mom calling 911 because her 12-year-old son opened a Christmas present early or whatever misbehaviour preteen shits get up to? That attitude of expecting strict obeyance of authority and bringing in disproportionate retribution came from somewhere, and the pulpit is one of the sources. Schools have become increasingly authoritarian, between locking down schools to prevent school shootings (some kids have to go through metal detectors and have their bags inspected every morning, and that's a public school, not a juvie center!) and education prioritizing standardized testing and teaching to the test instead of encouraging actual learning. Education is now about learning by rote what you must know to succeed on the test to progress to the next year so you may learn what is needed for that test; none of this curiosity about the world and broadening horizons bullshit, no time for that. If you do not succeed as tribute, the district will receive less funding next year. [sp]I'm doing my part[/sp] These are the conditions that create a population ready to vote against its own interests, and from there, all it takes is [URL="http://cdn.quotationof.com/images/hermann-goerings-quotes-2.jpg"]a dash of propaganda, a triggering incident, and demagoguery.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51766841]The sad part is even if this happens, most of them don't really likely care tbh Corruption is expected on both sides of the argument, they could care less because they have their own problems to worry about.[/QUOTE] "If people already dirty our drinking water, why should we stop doing it too?" For people who claim to be intellectually superior to their political adversaries, this irredeemable elementary school 2nd grade thinking is fucking pathetic. "If we take their jobs, build a wall to keep them out, tax them to death, destroy their economy, and kick back the excess, immigrants from Mexico will stop coming right?" "What do you mean I have to pick grapes for minimum wage? Let the inferiors do that!" or "What do you mean they want to come to our country? Aren't they proud of their country after what we did to them?" Absolutely pathetic and insufferable. I'm always up for intellectual discourse but people who support these ideologies should be stuck in prison schools, where they are forced to be educated on why their shortsightedness and their instant gratification should be rehabilitated. For a generation of Americans that complain about "how lazy millennials are" (some of them are even born in that fucking generation), they want band aid fixes and ones that give instant gratification which only last for a short while. They pass more "feel good" policies than the other side does, and if their argument is "Well, they've been doing it too!", it just goes to show how mature they really are.

He really nailed what NAFTA set out to achieve in the first place. If you bolster the Mexican economy, you won't have people fleeing cartel violence and seeking better lives in the first place. Look at our immigration relationship with Canada - people don't really give a shit. I live in Minnesota, and my grandparents live in far northern Minnesota, and they've crossed the border a number of times with zero issue - because we're in trade balance and immigration is almost a non-issue. Travel is for certain not an issue. People flee their home countries not because they're lazy good-for-nothing job stealers, they flee because they're displaced and have no opportunity. People aren't fleeing Syria just to leech off the welfare state, they're fleeing because they're displaced and have no opportunity. If we want to end illegal immigration from Mexico, we need to renegotiate NAFTA to adjust deficits in labor standards. We need to focus on the long-term goal of stabilizing Mexico and eliminating the core issues that plague the country - namely the cartels and corruption. Ending the war on drugs would effectively eliminate the cartels in a matter of years, freeing up Mexican government resources to combat labor abuses and better regulate transnational labor standards. If you spur economic growth in Mexico, you pull them up to our level. You are constructive, not destructive. If you help a homeless veteran get back on their feet, they contribute back into the economy and become valuable citizens. Why isn't that the same for Mexico? If you help stabilize Mexico and help bolster their economy, they provide more economic benefit to us. It's still good old self-centered western capitalism, it's just prioritizing the long run over the short run - realizing that solutions might be further out and that there aren't always short-term solutions. Helping out Mexico will help out the US by providing a valuable trade partner and reducing labor competition between the two countries. If Mexicans earn comparable wages to American workers and businesses in Mexico are held to comparable standards, why would Mexicans go to the US, and why would American businesses move manufacturing to Mexico?

Wonder how the "Great Wall of America" will turn out, can't be as impressive as China's. (Or can it?) They going to implement a DMZ for immigrants too?

[QUOTE=markfu;51766590]Trump currently planning his next tweet to try to sink Perez's business stocks. [editline]2nd February 2017[/editline] "Lazy UNPATRIOTIC Jorge Perez won't do the right thing, despite taking my money and brand to build his company. Sad!"[/QUOTE] I'd be shocked if this didn't happen. Trump uses his station to attack people who criticize him.

It's really reassuring to see a billionaire who's field is large scale building projects who worked for Trump in the past make the exact same arguments you have been making for several months. I support stronger borders. Trump's wall and his convoluted plan to pay for it are nonsense.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;51766931] Rationalism [/quote] This made me depressed because I know that we will never see this kind of thinking in the real world. Instead of using capitalism to strengthen the foundations of economies, we are instead witnessing the beginnings of the next Great Depression. The world is topheavy and the bottom is eroding away, and within a decade everything will come crashing down. We could have prevented this. We could have prevented many awful things in the future, but instead we sit back and let crony capitalism run the world.

wtf trump cant even do that. the wall would be subject to government contracting, he cant just invite people to the WH to solicit bids

[QUOTE=markfu;51766590]Trump currently planning his next tweet to try to sink Perez's business stocks. [editline]2nd February 2017[/editline] "Lazy UNPATRIOTIC Jorge Perez won't do the right thing, despite taking my money and brand to build his company. Sad!"[/QUOTE] I always read it with his voice, and it always makes me laugh because Trump's opinions and thoughts should never be taken seriously. Maybe its also the wording, and the way it sounds with his voice and manerisms... It just sounds funny... Or maybe its because he's an idiot.