[Jeremy Kyle] Crosses line after insensitive discussion about anorexia.
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Jeremy Kyle has been branded ‘insensitive’ by ITV viewers after he called anorexia ‘self-induced’.
The TV presenter was meeting a patient on his new series of Jeremy Kyle’s Emergency Room whom had been dealing with an eating disorder for years.
She then revealed that she is ‘pretty much in hospital all the time’ before Jeremy turned to her tearful mother Jenny and asked: ‘Is it more difficult to accept because it’s self-induced?’
As she tried to answer that the family have had ‘lots of fall outs’, he continued: ‘There must be some times you want to go, “for God’s sake, you’re making yourself ill! Get it together!”
‘This isn’t a terminal illness,’ he added. ‘I know it is an illness, I’m not negating it, but as a parent you must go: “God, come on”!’
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m8... ur a twat.
[editline]19th March 2016[/editline]
oh CRAP it's in the wrong section bollocks!
[editline]19th March 2016[/editline]
I can fix this don't worry.
Is anorexia self induced? It seems like a pretty absurd thing to say considering the frequent comorbidity the condition has with [URL="http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2215"]anxiety disorders[/URL]. One would think that considering that Kyle has OCD and [URL="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/jeremy-kyle-i-lick-phones-921056"]licks phones[/URL] that he would understand that it is not the case.
Not familiar with this guy (being an American), but he seems like an ass.
Well I mean it is self-induced. You are fucking yourself up via a mental issue. Starving yourself on purpose, rather than say having cancer or something out of your total control.
what's funny is how someone actually approved him now doing emergency room consultations...
[QUOTE=Aman;49967314]Well I mean it is self-induced. You are fucking yourself up via a mental issue. Starving yourself on purpose, rather than say having cancer or something out of your total control.[/QUOTE]
mental illnesses aren't self induced, what the fuck?
[QUOTE=Aman;49967314]You are fucking yourself up via a mental issue.[/QUOTE]
that's not really how you talk about it though unless you yourself have little respect for the entire field.
you can't make flippant comments when people are in a vulnerable state.
[QUOTE=.Lain;49967331]mental illnesses aren't self induced, what the fuck?[/QUOTE]
This is different than say medically diagnosed depression. You generally can't fix anorexia with a pill. It's a psychological issue that requires therapy. It's self-induced in the sense that it's an issue with your mind and thinking, not with the physics of your body.
So yes, it's a mental illness, but it's not an illness in the same sense that chemically based illnesses are.
Maybe those hurt feelings will encourage them to put on a couple pounds.
Anorexia is all around bad for your health, Much like obesity
[QUOTE=Aman;49967314]Well I mean it is self-induced. You are fucking yourself up via a mental issue. Starving yourself on purpose, rather than say having cancer or something out of your total control.[/QUOTE]
The need to starve themselves is not under their control. Sure, in a very crude sense you're right but really it's unfair to suggest they can just fix it if they want to.
[QUOTE=wrv451nlp;49967339]Maybe those hurt feelings will encourage them to put on a couple pounds.
Anorexia is all around bad for your health, Much like obesity[/QUOTE]
Literally no one is saying anorexia is good for you. Have you actually seen what anorexia does to a person and their way of thinking? It's fucking horrifying, honestly.
[QUOTE=Aman;49967314]Well I mean it is self-induced. You are fucking yourself up via a mental issue. Starving yourself on purpose, rather than say having cancer or something out of your total control.[/QUOTE]
Yeah my stepbrother chose to be so fucking depressed he tried to kill himself. You fucking arsehat.
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[QUOTE=wrv451nlp;49967339]Maybe those hurt feelings will encourage them to put on a couple pounds.
Anorexia is all around bad for your health, Much like obesity[/QUOTE]
Are you serious?
Maybe we should tell people with depression to stop being sad, being sad is all around bad for your health.
Maybe we should tell suicidal people to stop being suicidal, killing yourself is all around bad for your health.
[QUOTE=wrv451nlp;49967339]Maybe those hurt feelings will encourage them to put on a couple pounds.
Anorexia is all around bad for your health, Much like obesity[/QUOTE]
Anorexia goes hand in hand with a plethora of different mental health issues including anxiety, depression, and it's really common for someone with anorexia to have had some kind of damaging psychological trauma growing up.
Please educate yourself before you speak
Anorexia is not self induced every time.
I was anorexic when I was 8-11 years old and it certainly was not because I was concerned with my appearance. There were other underlying health issues that caused it.
[QUOTE=.Lain;49967331]mental illnesses aren't self induced, what the fuck?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rossy167;49967365]Yeah my stepbrother chose to be so fucking depressed he tried to kill himself. You fucking arsehat.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that isn't [I]literally [/I]what he meant, he likely just worded it very poorly. Obviously mental illness's aren't controllable and your actions are because you can control yourself but it's not something like cancer. It's something you need to overcome and deal with in time.
you're doing it to yourself but your not in control of your own actions. You never asked to have a mental illness but you can't stop yourself.
[QUOTE=Pascall;49967384]Anorexia is not self induced every time.
I was anorexic when I was 8-11 years old and it certainly was not because I was concerned with my appearance. There were other underlying health issues that caused it.[/QUOTE]
I can't think of a single example where someone was anorexic SOLELY based on wanting to lose weight, I'm sure if that scenario does exist it's extremely rare, someone with good mental health who wants to lose weight just doesn't do that.
Bullimia is more commonly self induced.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49967338]This is different than say medically diagnosed depression. You generally can't fix anorexia with a pill. It's a psychological issue that requires therapy.[/QUOTE]
Uh, you can't really fix depression with a pill either, so that's an awful comparison. Anti-depressants just tries to "even" it out, if you understand what I mean by that.
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So yes, it's a mental illness, but it's not an illness in the same sense that chemically based illnesses are.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you seem to understand that everything that happens in our brain is a chemical process, so it goes without saying that all mental illnesses are chemically based. That is not to say they can all be cured with a pill, it is to say that your argument is flawed.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;49967428]Uh, you can't really fix depression with a pill either, so that's an awful comparison. Anti-depressants just tries to "even" it out, if you understand what I mean by that.[/QUOTE]
to further on this, I'm clinically depressed and all the pills do is change your mental state to something that's not crippling. Its just a stop gap to getting therapy or counselling. The real joke is that most anti depressants cause suicidal thinking as a side effect, and are in no way a cure for depression, a symptom of which can be suicidal thinking. As I say, stop gap.
Misunderstanding how mental health works helps contribute to the horrible stigmas mentally ill people face, the reluctance to receive treatment, and the treatment of mentally ill people in general. Try to show a little bit of understanding to people's problems instead of "maybe hurt feelings will help them get a few pounds." Bullying someone 100% of the time does nothing to help their psyche and only makes it worse.
A lot of the times people with anorexia don't look at the 'full picture' when looking at themselves. They will focus on small details, a small flab of skin that still remains on their otherwise emaciated frame.
Anorexia is more about control than it is about losing weight.
A lot of anorexics (not all but a large percentage) have experienced some time of sexual abuse resulting in lifelong psychological trauma, a very common feeling for these victims is that they have control over themselves and their life and the anorexia is a way they can 'control' their bodies down to the minute details.
Seeing the 'bigger picture' is actually what helps a lot of people drop their anorexia.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49967338]This is different than say medically diagnosed depression. You generally can't fix anorexia with a pill. It's a psychological issue that requires therapy. It's self-induced in the sense that it's an issue with your mind and thinking, not with the physics of your body.
So yes, it's a mental illness, but it's not an illness in the same sense that chemically based illnesses are.[/QUOTE]
If it occurs as a consequence of the chemistry of a person's brain being off, by extension their behaviors being off should be able to be attributed to the chemistry. It sounds like a slippery slope arguement, but in reality this line of thinking is pretty important in our understanding of psychology. When a person is mentally ill and commits a crime because of it, should the goal be to prevent the recurrence of the crime, or to punish that person for their wrong?
The realization that physicalism can adequately explain our world has broad implications in philosophy.
[QUOTE=Aman;49967314]Well I mean it is self-induced. You are fucking yourself up via a mental issue. Starving yourself on purpose, rather than say having cancer or something out of your total control.[/QUOTE]
Not all mental illness is like that.
Seasonal Depression= self induced, its generally always mental and the persons personal perspective
Chronic Depression=Your bodys chemicals are literally fucked up, its a disease. Its physical.
Anorexia follows the same, its a disease more than a mental illness. Your body is so fucked up you physically feel like you are full and not hungry, theirs a lot more than your own personal mentality causing that. Anorexia is pretty fucked up, its a lot more serious than people give it credit for.
It generally comes down to your chemical makeup being fucked up. You just dont start thinking it and it happens.
Is Schizophrenia self induced?
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49967877]Not all mental illness is like that.
Seasonal Depression= self induced, its generally always mental and the persons personal perspective
Chronic Depression=Your bodys chemicals are literally fucked up, its a disease. Its physical.
Anorexia follows the same, its a disease more than a mental illness. Your body is so fucked up you physically feel like you are full and not hungry, theirs a lot more than your own personal mentality causing that. Anorexia is pretty fucked up, its a lot more serious than people give it credit for.
It generally comes down to your chemical makeup being fucked up. You just dont start thinking it and it happens.
Is Schizophrenia self induced?[/QUOTE]
Anorexia isn't necessarily that you don't feel hungry, but that by not eating you are in control of your body. Similarly seasonal depression isn't something people bring upon themselves. I'm not sure why you think that people bring mental illness on themselves.
I watched one last week whilst waiting for a parcel and he basically said to a heroin addict of 15 years to just "stop" and the dude was trying to explain how it was an addiction but he just kept giving him shit
look up photos of severe anorexia/bulimia victims and say it's self-induced. it also can be a terminal illness if not treated. people die because they literally waste all the way down to skeletons, they lose the ability to walk, their immune system is severely weakened and they destroy their digestive systems. the fuck is this guy's problem
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;49967895]Anorexia isn't necessarily that you don't feel hungry, but that by not eating you are in control of your body. Similarly seasonal depression isn't something people bring upon themselves. I'm not sure why you think that people bring mental illness on themselves.[/QUOTE]
Because I have seasonal depression myself for winter and it really is because of my entire perspective, even after talking with a psychiatrist they agreed.
Its not that I PURPOSELY do it, its just it being cold+dark and where I live in winter the sun is down by 4:30. Its more self induced because its coming from how you personally look at it.
That said, if its a winter I was skiing a lot in, its not their, because im out and about and my entire perspective of the winter is changed. When I say self-induced I dont mean I literally try and get depressed, it just comes because of how I personally view it at times.
Where as something like Chronic Depression is pretty much entirely out of your control because it ends up being your chemical make up.
Seasonal depression isn't self-induced so much as it's circumstantial and conditional.
It still affects a portion of your brain, but it's more of an outside stimulus rather than an internal one.
[QUOTE=Pascall;49967993]Seasonal depression isn't self-induced so much as it's circumstantial and conditional.
It still affects a portion of your brain, but it's more of an outside stimulus rather than an internal one.[/QUOTE]
I guess the best way to put it would be its something you have way more control over, and not something you essentially need medication/treatment to ultimately fix. Self-Induced just isnt the best way to describe any mental illness.
perhaps "bring upon themselves" isn't the right wording, but negative thought patterns are a real thing that may initially be caused by a chemical imbalance but can propagate issues even if the imbalance has been "cured" with drugs.
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