• MH17 victims phones are being used along with credit cards
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[QUOTE]7.41am (AEST): MH17 victim’s phones ‘answered by others’ Dutch media is reporting that a number of relatives have tried calling the mobile phones of victims — and had it answered. The Telegraaf reports ‘several relatives’ have reported ‘eastern European sounding voices’ answering the phones and expressing concerns that the devices had been looted from victims’ bodies. Dutch telephone authorities have so far refused to confirm the phones remain active ‘out of privacy considerations’.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]There are unconfirmed reports of possessions from among MH17’s scattered luggage — including smartphones and jewellery — being offered up for sale at public markets across Ukraine.[/QUOTE] The source is a huge bundle of information, this is so fucked [url]http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh17-abbott-wants-australian-police-at-crash-site-after-he-spoke-to-putin-and-bodies-arrive-in-the-netherlands/story-fnizu68q-1226998041829[/url]
[QUOTE=usaokay;45483617]If possible, the police could try to track the phones down.[/QUOTE] Ukrainian police? Near Donetsk? Sounds like a good way of getting shot, to me.
[QUOTE=usaokay;45483632]good point lol but hopefully once everything in Ukraine settles down, people should try giving the stuff back[/QUOTE] :v: People were stealing and selling irradiated jewelry and TV sets from Chernobyl several months after the incident itself occurred. And this after a health advisory. Don't expect them to give back what they took.
[QUOTE=usaokay;45483632]good point lol but hopefully once everything in Ukraine settles down, people should try giving the stuff back[/QUOTE] that would be nice but it isn't going to happen knowing the kinds of people that would've taken the shit
Not really a surprise, this is to be expected of course. There will always be a people who want to make a quick buck.
I feel sick, imagine being a family member scared to death only to hear that the person on the other end isn't your family member but a stranger. That is as unsettling as it gets.
Well, since they have the list of passengers, they could block their cards at least.
Keep in mind that dynamic forces acting on a body freefalling through air are strong enough to rip your clothes off of you, as has been observed multiple times during 9/11 and as indicated by the amount of nakes bodies found in the crash. It might be that people found a torn up pair of pants with phones and wallets in them somewhere in a field or coming down in their garden. They didn't necessarily loot the bodies. So I think it's very excusable that a stranger will answer your phone in such a messed up scenario. Using the credit cards on the other hand is absolutely unacceptable.
[QUOTE=DrDevil;45484674]Keep in mind that dynamic forces acting on a body freefalling through air are strong enough to rip your clothes off of you, as has been observed multiple times during 9/11 and as indicated by the amount of nakes bodies found in the crash. It might be that people found a torn up pair of pants with phones and wallets in them somewhere in a field or coming down in their garden. They didn't necessarily loot the bodies. So I think it's very excusable that a stranger will answer your phone in such a messed up scenario. Using the credit cards on the other hand is absolutely unacceptable.[/QUOTE] I still think you would have to be incredibly naive to find a phone in the middle of a field within the perimeter of a crash site and go "Hm, free phone! I wonder where on Earth this came from?"
[QUOTE=DrDevil;45484674]Keep in mind that dynamic forces acting on a body freefalling through air are strong enough to rip your clothes off of you, as has been observed multiple times during 9/11 and as indicated by the amount of nakes bodies found in the crash. It might be that people found a torn up pair of pants with phones and wallets in them somewhere in a field or coming down in their garden. They didn't necessarily loot the bodies. So I think it's very excusable that a stranger will answer your phone in such a messed up scenario. Using the credit cards on the other hand is absolutely unacceptable.[/QUOTE] I highly doubt they were just passing by as they heard one of the phones ring. Even if they found it on the ground rather than on a body, they still must have known that it belonged to one of the passengers. It's still looting and not excusable in any way.
Oh shit.. well, I did hold my judgement, but there's no denying it that they are some ruthless people. Reminds me of how much looting there was in Japan during the last major tsunamni that broke the power plant.
[QUOTE=Noss;45484718]I still think you would have to be incredibly naive to find a phone in the middle of a field within the perimeter of a crash site and go "Hm, free phone! I wonder where on Earth this came from?"[/QUOTE] When that phone is worth a month's salary you'll [i]not see[/i] an awful lot of things if it means selling it and eating well for a while. It's not as bad as some countries but there's a lot of poor people in that area, doubly so with the war going on. I honestly don't blame them much for doing this sort of thing. I may not use a CC, too easily tracked, but if a wallet with a bunch of cash landed in my back yard? Ayup. My cash now. You're dead you don't need it, my mortgage is on the verge of foreclosure, want it back go talk to them.
[QUOTE=TestECull;45486144]When that phone is worth a month's salary you'll [i]not see[/i] an awful lot of things if it means selling it and eating well for a while. It's not as bad as some countries but there's a lot of poor people in that area, doubly so with the war going on. I honestly don't blame them much for doing this sort of thing. I may not use a CC, too easily tracked, but if a wallet with a bunch of cash landed in my back yard? Ayup. My cash now. You're dead you don't need it, my mortgage is on the verge of foreclosure, want it back go talk to them.[/QUOTE] The cash goes back to the families and goes towards things like funeral costs.
How do they use credit cards of other people? Don't they need pin numbers? unless those cards are pre paid, i don't think majority of the credit card numbers are valid to use in ukraine
[QUOTE=BCell;45486334]How do they use credit cards of other people? Don't they need pin numbers? unless those cards are pre paid, i don't think majority of the credit card numbers are valid to use in ukraine[/QUOTE] A lot of the world don't use chip and pin. You just hand over the card and sign the receipt.
[QUOTE=usaokay;45483617]If possible, the police could try to track the phones down. and it's pretty awful that thieves are using deceased people's credit cards. Jesus christ.[/QUOTE] To be honest, as soon as I heard people were looting the wreckage, I knew people were going to use the deceased's credit cards.
Stealing/Selling the valuables and credit information from the dead bodies is really low. Fucking vermin.
Ukraine is so fucking corrupt that they get over the guilt of doing things like this.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45487113]Ukraine is so fucking corrupt that they get over the guilt of doing things like this.[/QUOTE] Ignoring the fact that the people who would have looted the bodies were in the Rebel occupied areas, and likely members of the rebel forces them selves.
Very, very shitty but unfortunately necessary for the impoverished rebels etc. I mean if I was starving I probably would've done the same. I'd lose the ability to sleep of course, but I'd be alive.
People will always loot shit like that if they're able to, but jeez, have a little sympathy for the dead person family and relatives and don't use the cards or phones, Jesus, that's some kind of sub-human type of bullshit.
[QUOTE=usaokay;45483716]hopes depleted[/QUOTE] ftfy
[QUOTE=draugur;45487145]Ignoring the fact that the people who would have looted the bodies were in the Rebel occupied areas, and likely members of the rebel forces them selves.[/QUOTE] laserguided is pro-russian, ignore him
[QUOTE=draugur;45487145]Ignoring the fact that the people who would have looted the bodies were in the Rebel occupied areas, and likely members of the rebel forces them selves.[/QUOTE] Ukraine is so fucking corrupt. I'm not even talking about this incident alone, I'm talking all of Ukraine. You can't get anything done without money and power.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45488747]Ukraine is so fucking corrupt. I'm not even talking about this incident alone, I'm talking all of Ukraine. [B]You can't get anything done without money and power.[/B][/QUOTE] Sounds like literally every country on Earth. Apparently people in India have to take bribes into their budget considerations, because you literally bribe everyone there.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45489011]Sounds like literally every country on Earth. Apparently people in India have to take bribes into their budget considerations, because you literally bribe everyone there.[/QUOTE] I've never had to pay a bribe in my life.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45487113]Ukraine is so fucking corrupt that they get over the guilt of doing things like this.[/QUOTE]Well, this incident is the fault of the people you support and whitewash. The ones you say don't want to be part of Ukraine and all that. So, you know, make of that what you will.
I wonder what the looters family think of them. Imagine having your husband come home one day with a dead persons phone taken from a plane crash. What could you even say.
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;45483751]I feel sick, imagine being a family member scared to death only to hear that the person on the other end isn't your family member but a stranger. That is as unsettling as it gets.[/QUOTE] No, as unsettling as it gets would be calling your dead family member's phone and hearing that the person on the other end is your dead family member saying "Hello?"
I'm baffled about how these separatists try to get sympathy and how Ukraine is so terrible. But then there's shit like this and all sorts of terrible things that go unpunished.
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