• FDNY Battalion Chief Killed in Bronx Drug Lab Explosion
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[IMG]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/09/28/nyregion/28xp-bronx-web1/28xp-bronx-web1-master768.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]A Fire Department battalion chief was killed and at least a dozen other people were injured in an explosion on Tuesday morning that destroyed a two-story house in the Bronx that was being investigated as a place where marijuana was being grown, New York City officials said. The chief, Michael J. Fahy, a 17-year veteran of the department, was one of several emergency workers who responded to a 6:20 a.m. call about a gas leak at the building in the Kingsbridge neighborhood, the officials said. When firefighters arrived at the building, on West 234th Street, they saw what they thought could be materials used in drug production inside the house and called the police, the officials said. The firefighters also smelled gas. The explosion occurred at about 7:30 a.m. Photo [IMG]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/09/28/nyregion/28EXPLOSION2/28EXPLOSION2-master180.jpg[/IMG] Michael J. Fahy Credit New York Fire Department Speaking at a news conference at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Allen Pavilion in Manhattan on Tuesday morning, Fire Commissioner Daniel A. Nigro said Chief Fahy was directing operations on the street when he was struck by debris from the blast. The other people injured were also outside the house, he said. Mr. Nigro said Chief Fahy, 44, a father of three young children, was “a rising star” of the department. Chief Fahy had followed his own father, also a battalion chief, into the department, Mr. Nigro added. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/nyregion/bronx-explosion-fire.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fnyregion&action=click&contentCollection=nyregion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0[/URL]
I'm guessing this was a dude making concentrate of cannabis with butane, indoors like a fucking dumbshit, and somehow a spark initiated all the butane in the confined space. Fucking terrible way to go.
I don't see how it being a drug lab has any connection to the explosion. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51118694]I'm guessing this was a dude making concentrate of cannabis with butane, indoors like a fucking dumbshit, and somehow a spark initiated all the butane in the confined space. Fucking terrible way to go.[/QUOTE] I mean it does say a gas leak, but did they automatically detect a leak or did someone smell a leak?
[QUOTE=Megadave;51118699]I don't see how it being a drug lab has any connection to the explosion. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] I mean it does say a gas leak, but did they automatically detect a leak or did someone smell a leak?[/QUOTE] They probably smelled the butane in the air, like the article says there was evidence to the "manufacture of drugs", but because it also said it was a cannabis grow op, it was most likely a dude making cannabis concentrate with butane, in a confined space. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4tNIRSdxmw[/media] Here's a video of the process I'm talking about so you guys have a reference as to why I believe this is the reason for the explosion.
there's gotta be a better way than using a flammable gas as a solvent lmfao, not to mention the end product will be contaminated with thiols
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51118906]there's gotta be a better way than using a flammable gas as a solvent lmfao, not to mention the end product will be contaminated with thiols[/QUOTE] Butane is less monitored than safer/cheaper solvents I think. Also I doubt most people would bother investing in something like a rotavap or set up a good vac system to remove solvent safely.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51118960]Butane is less monitored than safer/cheaper solvents I think. Also I doubt most people would bother investing in something like a rotavap or set up a good vac system to remove solvent safely.[/QUOTE] I hardly even consider butane a solvent considering it boils when water melts...
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51118906]there's gotta be a better way than using a flammable gas as a solvent lmfao, not to mention the end product will be contaminated with thiols[/QUOTE] That's if you use lighter fluid, which has thiols and such added so you can smell it. They use pure butane, which is not toxic and evaporates easily so none should be left in the final product anyways.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51118967]I hardly even consider butane a solvent considering it boils when water melts...[/QUOTE] For concentrates, you dissolve the cannabinoids into the butane, and evaporate the butane to yield your product. Butane in a solvent in this example.
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;51119009]That's if you use lighter fluid, which has thiols and such added so you can smell it. They use pure butane, which is not toxic and evaporates easily so none should be left in the final product anyways.[/QUOTE] Doesn't all bottled butane have a small amount of odourant added to it for safety reasons? [QUOTE=Quark:;51119010]For concentrates, you dissolve the cannabinoids into the butane, and evaporate the butane to yield your product. Butane in a solvent in this example.[/QUOTE] Yes, I am aware of that, it's just that you wouldn't traditionally think of butane as a solvent due to its low boiling point.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51118967]I hardly even consider butane a solvent considering it boils when water melts...[/QUOTE] There's absolutely no question about it's volatility. One could probably set up a supercritical CO2 extraction and there would be less of an explosion/fire risk, but that would cost more money and has its own safety issues. Acetone would probably be the most cost effective and safest for the untrained, but it is watched by the DEA. When there's a will there's a way, safety risks be damned. This is probably going to keep happening so long as people can't access the materials they need to do this safely. The whole situation is unfortunate. If you're so inclined to perform amateur chemistry experiments, do them safely. Don't put yourself or others at unnecessary risks.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51119071]There's absolutely no question about it's volatility. One could probably set up a supercritical CO2 extraction and there would be less of an explosion/fire risk, but that would cost more money and has its own safety issues. Acetone would probably be the most cost effective and safest for the untrained, but it is watched by the DEA. When there's a will there's a way, safety risks be damned. This is probably going to keep happening so long as people can't access the materials they need to do this safely. The whole situation is unfortunate. If you're so inclined to perform amateur chemistry experiments, do them safely. Don't put yourself or others at unnecessary risks.[/QUOTE] Didn't know even acetone was watched. No wonder people resort to stupid things like these.
[IMG]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/09/28/nyregion/28EXPLOSION2/28EXPLOSION2-master180.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTY3Njc5ODc4OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNjY5MTU0._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg[/IMG] He looks like Mark Hamill's lost brother
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51119073]Didn't know even acetone was watched. No wonder people resort to stupid things like these.[/QUOTE] Acetone, diethyl ether, MEK, MIBK, toluene, and pyridine are watched off the top of my head. I've heard of people buying large quantities of model glue to get after the heptane for their recreational experiments. I'm not so convinced that barring access to the above solvents is really making people safer.
It's just like meth with cough syrup, when you ban the safe ingredients people will resort to using deadlier but less watched ingredients. Though nothing beats the safety of au naturale
[QUOTE=Megadave;51119120]It's just like meth with cough syrup, when you ban the safe ingredients people will resort to using deadlier but less watched ingredients. Though nothing beats the safety of au naturale[/QUOTE] The same is true with materials associated with drug use and not just drug production. Letting people have ample access to needles and syringes keeps people safe. Indiana is currently dealing with an AIDs outbreak because Pence is morally opposed to needle exchange programs. Prohibition doesn't seem to work. People are going to find a way to get the stuff they want in the end. If you provide a safe route people will gladly take it, otherwise they're going to put themselves and others at risk with shake and bake meth bombs, retarded indoor butane extractions, and moonshine laden with heavy metals. People are simply too clever and too determined to realistically prevent these substances from being used or produced.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51119071]There's absolutely no question about it's volatility. One could probably set up a supercritical CO2 extraction and there would be less of an explosion/fire risk, but that would cost more money and has its own safety issues. [B]Acetone would probably be the most cost effective and safest for the untrained, but it is watched by the DEA[/B]. When there's a will there's a way, safety risks be damned. This is probably going to keep happening so long as people can't access the materials they need to do this safely. The whole situation is unfortunate. If you're so inclined to perform amateur chemistry experiments, do them safely. Don't put yourself or others at unnecessary risks.[/QUOTE] Could have fooled me, I bought three gallons last month
[QUOTE=Megadave;51118699]I don't see how it being a drug lab has any connection to the explosion. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] I mean it does say a gas leak, but did they automatically detect a leak or did someone smell a leak?[/QUOTE] drug labs explode. a lot I also have access to information related to the happenings in New York City emergency services that the media does not. It was a drug lab explosion.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51121461]That's the point, its boiling point is significantly different to that of the desired solute, so it can be extracted without any damaging heat based removal.[/QUOTE] I know, just that the sane way to do this is to use a rotovap, not a solvent that is so low-boiling it's a gas at rtp. Of course I doubt most people doing this even know what a rotovap is so that's a moot point.
[QUOTE=amute;51121414]drug labs explode. a lot I also have access to information related to the happenings in New York City emergency services that the media does not. It was a drug lab explosion.[/QUOTE] Shame, people didn't needed to die over some cannabis oil.
[QUOTE=amute;51121414]I also have access to information related to the happenings in New York City emergency services that the media does not[/QUOTE] lol u shouldnt be parading this kind of information for the world to see
[QUOTE=Saturn V;51122004]lol u shouldnt be parading this kind of information for the world to see[/QUOTE] Probably just has a scanner like all the media does
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51121489]If acetone gets you flagged I can't imagine a rotovap purchase going unnoticed.[/QUOTE] Looking into it more you need to buy ~50 gallons of acetone in a month before the DEA gets even remotely involved. People seem to be using butane over acetone because acetone tends to extract some extra unwanted compounds due to its polarity. Diethyl ether would probably work better than butane, but I think the threshold for purchasing is lower, and it has a shorter shelf life due to it's volatility. Butane extractions are a poor man's CO2 extraction. An excellent CO2 set up costs about as much as a decent used rotavap and would get you better results. Were this a legal enterprise someone could very easily set up a decent system safely and put out a better product. It isn't though, so few are willing to invest 2-10 grand in common lab grade equipment and would rather shoot butane through steel pipes into a heated glass casserole dish. If users of recreational drugs want to get their substances legalized it's probably in their best interest not to cut corners when it comes to safety precautions.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;51122004]lol u shouldnt be parading this kind of information for the world to see[/QUOTE] It's not super secret confidential information [editline]28th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;51122034]Probably just has a scanner like all the media does[/QUOTE] No, I get a in-network newsletter from the FDNY
So weird referring to a grow op as a drug lab. Makes it seem like your splicing genes with some super dank shit with some even more super dank shit.
[QUOTE=amute;51124786]It's not super secret confidential information [editline]28th September 2016[/editline] No, I get a in-network newsletter from the FDNY[/QUOTE] Then why not let go of this not super secret confidential information saying what they were making in a cannabis grow op to be considered a "drug lab"? I mean it would satiate the want for knowledge about this incident, so come on.
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