Yet Another Green on Blue Attack in Western Afghanistan - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The Washington Post]KABUL — A member of the Afghan security forces killed two U.S. troops Friday morning — the most recent in a string of insider attacks that threaten to undermine U.S.-Afghan military relations. An officer in the Afghan Local Police shot and killed two Americans in the western province of Farah during a training exercise on an Afghan base, according to Abdul Rahman, a spokesman for the provincial governor. U.S. military officials confirmed the two deaths. The assassin was shot and killed, according to a statement. The attack occurred hours after Taliban leader Mohammad Omar issued a statement boasting of insurgents’ ability to infiltrate the Afghan security forces — a tactic that he said limits the number of civilian casualties. “Mujaheddin have cleverly infiltrated in the ranks of the enemy according to the plan given to them last year,” he said in the message to the Afghan people marking this weekend’s Eid al-Fitr festival. “They are able to [safely] enter bases, offices and intelligence centers of the enemy. Then, they easily carry out decisive and coordinated attacks.” Later Friday, an Afghan soldier turned his weapon against foreign troops in Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan, according to military officials. That attack left three NATO troops wounded. The so-called “insider attacks” have occurred sporadically in Afghanistan for years, but they have risen sharply in the past six months — and particularly in the past 10 days. Eight U.S. service members have been killed by employees of the Afghan security forces since last Thursday. A total of 39 have been killed in such attacks since the beginning of the year. The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan released a statement Friday deriding Omar’s claims. “On the eve of the most blessed celebration of Eid ul-Fitr, when the pious people of Afghanistan celebrate their faith and the Holy words of the Koran, once again Mullah Omar has issued an unmistakable message of death, hate and hopelessness for the Afghan people,” Gen. John R. Allen said.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/afghan-police-officer-kills-two-us-troops/2012/08/17/4a8f954c-e850-11e1-8487-64e4b2a79ba8_story.html?hpid=z3[/url] This is getting fucking ridiculous. This is at least the third or fourth attack in the last week.

Unfortunately, this is hardly surprising, given the fact that coalition forces are starting to withdraw. Infiltrating the security forces in any level is a easy and quick way to ruin the trust that has been built, and make sure that forces remain down there.

Just get out of there and let those fuckers rot.

Could someone explain me what is a "Green" and "Blue" attack?

[QUOTE=Niklas;37290342]Just get out of there and let those fuckers rot.[/QUOTE] Agreed. We never should have went over there in the first place. It's high time we get the hell out. We're clearly not welcome anymore.

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;37290344]Could someone explain me what is a "Green" and "Blue" attack?[/QUOTE] Green would mean friendly nation or force I think. Blue is your own guys. That is why the term blue on blue means friendly fire.

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;37290344]Could someone explain me what is a "Green" and "Blue" attack?[/QUOTE] Did you read the article at all?

I'm just so sad to see what all the blood, sweat and tears over the past ten years has accomplished. I lost a good buddy over there and a cousin of mine came back with some heavy PTSD.

I think in these 10 years, we DID accomplish at least something. We killed/arrested a lot of high profile terrorists and leaders. We've freed many areas in A-stan from Taliban control and are rebuilding. But, the question is, at what cost? Over 1500 soldiers and over 10 000, probably more, civilians killed? Could all of this been avoided? I've pondered about this for a long time, and I.... I don't know. But, we need to pull back out of there. Like immediately.

[QUOTE=H4wkeye;37290652]I think in these 10 years, we DID accomplish at least something. We killed/arrested a lot of high profile terrorists and leaders. We've freed many areas in A-stan from Taliban control and are rebuilding. But, the question is, at what cost? Over 1500 soldiers and over 10 000, probably more, civilians killed? Could all of this been avoided? I've pondered about this for a long time, and I.... I don't know. But, we need to pull back out of there. Like immediately.[/QUOTE] I think the big issue is you can try to save lives and prevent some violence fighting an insurgency/extremist groups(although the core incentive is usually to blow off public pressure or get a fancy share of some oil) but you can't change a culture with it.

[QUOTE=gamerman345;37291068]I think the big issue is you can try to save lives and prevent some violence fighting an insurgency/extremist groups(although the core incentive is usually to blow off public pressure or get a fancy share of some oil) but you can't change a culture with it.[/QUOTE] Typical liveleak response: Nuke it, we don't need those sand eaters.

This stuff makes me more afraid about my upcoming deployment.

It seems more like we are fighting a culture and not really a group anymore.

[QUOTE=redshift2234;37291264]It seems more like we are fighting a culture and not really a group anymore.[/QUOTE] That's not true, we are fighting a group. They just are getting desperate, and are stepping up their attacks because we are withdrawing.

[QUOTE=Niklas;37290342]Just get out of there and let those fuckers rot.[/QUOTE] Afghanistan is one of the few middle eastern countries that actually wants our help.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37291147]This stuff makes me more afraid about my upcoming deployment.[/QUOTE] Watch your back buddy. A lot of these attacks happen to soldiers on their leisure time as well as during training missions.

[QUOTE=gamefreek76;37291551]Afghanistan is one of the few middle eastern countries that actually wants our help.[/QUOTE] Most of the Afghani people were glad to see the Taliban fall.

new military policy for a-stan is that anyone and everyone with a weapon has to keep it loaded with a full magazine. probably including you, skeea

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;37290469]I'm just so sad to see what all the blood, sweat and tears over the past ten years has accomplished. I lost a good buddy over there and a cousin of mine came back with some heavy PTSD.[/QUOTE] It's definitely fucked up a generation in some ways. We still haven't got any better at helping soldiers with PTSD either.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;37290380]Green would mean friendly nation or force I think. Blue is your own guys. That is why the term blue on blue means friendly fire.[/QUOTE] Then why for example Americans shooting on British is still called blue on blue?

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37291147]This stuff makes me more afraid about my upcoming deployment.[/QUOTE] What did you expect? Why enlist in the first place if this is shockingly frightening to you?

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37291336]That's not true, we are fighting a group. They just are getting desperate, and are stepping up their attacks because we are withdrawing.[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure afghanistan as a whole is rather disapproving of our invasion? it's not like their country is magically stable now that they have foreigners invading and bombing their country for reasons unbeknownst to them. you mind me asking why you're enlisting in a time like this?

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;37293086]Then why for example Americans shooting on British is still called blue on blue?[/QUOTE] I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's because Britain shares a special status with the U.S. as allies. That is, the U.K. is a much closer ally than most other allies which is why they're given that blue designation.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37291336]That's not true, we are fighting a group. They just are getting desperate, and are stepping up their attacks because we are withdrawing.[/QUOTE] the taliban is more of a gray area than say, nazi germany. they are formed from an ideology and have no real structure- which makes it extremely difficult to remove them through sheer force. we all make mistakes, and stuff like this is pretty rare, but the war should've ended years ago, let alone been started in the first place.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37293223]I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's because Britain shares a special status with the U.S. as allies. That is, the U.K. is a much closer ally than most other allies which is why they're given that blue designation.[/QUOTE] Blue on Blue comes from Nato nations being observed with blue flags, Warsaw Pact nations were apparently seen as orange. Green should mean friendly, independent, or neutral forces in comparison to your own that do not belong to your organization/unit. Security forces are separate from ISAF and aren't a member of Nato, so they aren't used with the same terms.

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;37290344]Could someone explain me what is a "Green" and "Blue" attack?[/QUOTE] Either Blue as in allied on green (your own) Or blue as in police on Green as in the military.

Blue is NATO troops. Green is Afghan troops/police.

Blue signifies: ALLIED/OWN Green signifies: NEUTRAL/POLICE Red signifies: ENEMY/SUSPECT

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37293118]What did you expect? Why enlist in the first place if this is shockingly frightening to you?[/QUOTE] Damn that's kind of cold there man. I never said shockingly frightening. I just said "more afraid". If you tell me that the prospect of your first time going to a place where people actively want to kill you and you receive mortar fire every day doesn't scare you, I wouldn't believe you. I am actually pretty excited to go and finally do what I was trained to do, as well as earning a good amount of money and experience from it. This is going to be the last one in a long time, so I feel lucky to go on one. [editline]17th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;37293136]i'm pretty sure afghanistan as a whole is rather disapproving of our invasion? it's not like their country is magically stable now that they have foreigners invading and bombing their country for reasons unbeknownst to them. you mind me asking why you're enlisting in a time like this?[/QUOTE] Not every civilian hates us. We do provide a significant source of income to local communities you know. Also, they aren't stupid. They know exactly why we are there. As for the last statement, I am just about to hit my one year mark in the Army, I have been a Soldier for 10 months now. [editline]17th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;37293328]the taliban is more of a gray area than say, nazi germany. they are formed from an ideology and have no real structure- which makes it extremely difficult to remove them through sheer force. we all make mistakes, and stuff like this is pretty rare, but the war should've ended years ago, let alone been started in the first place.[/QUOTE] I am not here to debate this with you, I am here to follow my orders. I can't change anything about them, just whether they are alive or dead.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37295518]Damn that's kind of cold there man. I never said shockingly frightening. I just said "more afraid". If you tell me that the prospect of your first time going to a place where people actively want to kill you and you receive mortar fire every day doesn't scare you, I wouldn't believe you. I am actually pretty excited to go and finally do what I was trained to do, as well as earning a good amount of money and experience from it. This is going to be the last one in a long time, so I feel lucky to go on one. [editline]17th August 2012[/editline] Not every civilian hates us. We do provide a significant source of income to local communities you know. Also, they aren't stupid. They know exactly why we are there. As for the last statement, I am just about to hit my one year mark in the Army, I have been a Soldier for 10 months now. [editline]17th August 2012[/editline] I am not here to debate this with you, I am here to follow my orders. I can't change anything about them, just whether they are alive or dead.[/QUOTE] not everyone but a significant part of the population. you might be providing income to communities but i think that's evened out by all of the people that are dying as well? if not now then why 10 months ago, it's not as if the afghanistan conflict is "new"