• Mueller asking if Trump knew about hacked Democratic emails before release
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[U][B]Mueller asking if Trump knew about hacked Democratic emails before release[/B][/U] [url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-asking-what-trump-knew-about-hacked-emails-n851941[/url] [QUOTE] [B]Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is asking witnesses pointed questions about whether Donald Trump was aware that Democratic emails had been stolen before that was publicly known, and whether he was involved in their strategic release, according to multiple people familiar with the probe.[/B] Mueller's investigators have asked witnesses whether Trump was aware of plans for WikiLeaks to publish the emails. They have also asked about the relationship between GOP operative Roger Stone and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, [B]and why Trump took policy positions favorable to Russia.[/B] The line of questioning suggests the special counsel, who is tasked with examining whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, is looking into possible coordination between WikiLeaks and Trump associates in disseminating the emails, which U.S. intelligence officials say were stolen by Russia. [/QUOTE] Pretty interesting, when it goes hand in hand with [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1594746"]yesterday's news of Mueller investigating Trump's business dealings with Russia prior to his 2016 campaign[/URL]
Here we gooooo
Didn't Trump tweet about wanting the Russians to leak democratic emails and behold not soon after that the democratic emails got leaked?
Seeing all these awesome stories finally breaking is awesome and all, but I’m beginning to wonder if all these fresh leaks and other info might be putting unwanted heat on Mueller’s team at a critical time in the Russia probe. Feels like I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop, i.e. for Trump to spontaneously fire Mueller or pull some other insane stunt out of sheer desperation. The stakes are undoubtedly higher now than ever. Although on the other hand. I suppose there’s no keeping a lid on info like this. I only hope that the journos covering it will be responsible in their reporting.
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;53167270]Didn't Trump tweet about wanting the Russians to leak democratic emails and behold not soon after that the democratic emails got leaked?[/QUOTE] The hacked DNC emails were leaked and Trump [I]then[/I] had a speech inviting Russia to leak Hillary's deleted private server emails, "if they could find them". He also announced that he would hold a press conference "probably" the next Monday to release more damaging info about Hillary -- that press conference never happened, because the Pulse nightclub shooting happened that weekend. When asked later what he was going to talk about, he weakly wobbled out something vague about the book Clinton Cash. Trump would later deny fingering Russia as the hackers and suggested that maybe it's China or someone else, who knows? :thinking:
Curious hypothetical: If Trump was dumb enough to fire Mueller, what would happen if Mueller just ignored him?
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;53167342]Curious hypothetical: If Trump was dumb enough to fire Mueller, what would happen if Mueller just ignored him?[/QUOTE] Pretty sure the attempt would be blocked anyways
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;53167342]Curious hypothetical: If Trump was dumb enough to fire Mueller, what would happen if Mueller just ignored him?[/QUOTE] He lets Mueller go [I]this[/I] long, but just happens to suddenly fire him when he finally starts looking into possible correlation between him, Russia, and the 2016 election? If that's not a massive red flag to start turning a lot of heads, I don't know what is. Edit: I could possibly see Congress putting Mueller back on track maybe? Though with how the GOP's been acting, I'm not sure. If the Democrats manage to take back a significant chunk of Congress in 2018, then I imagine we'd definitely see him put back on the investigation. The only downside would be is that it would take several more valuable months to get anything done. Months that Trump could use to do more stupid shit, like pick a fight with North Korea.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;53167342]Curious hypothetical: If Trump was dumb enough to fire Mueller, what would happen if Mueller just ignored him?[/QUOTE] At that point the DoJ would technically be defying presidential authority. 150% fucking justified in doing so, in my opinion, but it would be an unprecedented case of the rule of law being in opposition to the will of the president. Congress has said they'd reinstate Mueller immediately if Trump tried, but it's one thing to say it and it's another to allow a vote to be held (looking at you Paul Ryan).
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;53167270]Didn't Trump tweet about wanting the Russians to leak democratic emails and behold not soon after that the democratic emails got leaked?[/QUOTE] As elixwhitetail said, you don't even need tweets because the evidence was broadcast on on all news media for like a week. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ[/media]
The really great thing about this news is that Mueller’s team wouldn’t be asking these questions without a clear indication or evidence to ask them.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;53167342]Curious hypothetical: If Trump was dumb enough to fire Mueller, what would happen if Mueller just ignored him?[/QUOTE] I was actually reading about the Saturday Night Massacre and [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/articles/102173-2.htm]Nixon's firing of special prosecutor Archibald Cox[/url] today. The President not only fired him, but ordered his whole office abolished and dispatched FBI agents to seal the building off. Mueller has never spoken publicly about his investigation since being appointed Special Counsel, but I like to think that if he does get fired by the President, he'll come out of the shadows and make a direct appeal to the nation in the vein of Archibald Cox that Saturday night [quote=Archibald Cox]Whether ours shall continue to be a government of laws and not of men is now for Congress and ultimately the American people.[/quote]
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;53167493]The really great thing about this news is that Mueller’s team wouldn’t be asking these questions without a clear indication or evidence to ask them.[/QUOTE] Heck, they probably already have answers to some of these questions and are currently on the hunt for more concrete details.
So, what would happen if it turned out that the collusion was done with intent or knowledge on behalf of trump's campaign? Surely they wouldn't just toss the orange man out and keep the VP + the cabinet, right?
[QUOTE=phygon;53168293]So, what would happen if it turned out that the collusion was done with intent or knowledge on behalf of trump's campaign? Surely they wouldn't just toss the orange man out and keep the VP + the cabinet, right?[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, it's a real possibility as the constitution did not account for corruption of this scale. Granted, impeachment is a political process, meaning that - if the other branches of the Government go blue - they could probably have the means to impeach Pence, the other cronies in Trump's cabinet, etc. But, as long as the GOP continues to play wet nurse for Trump, don't count on it. [editline]28th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=ilikecorn;53168299]Depends on how deep it goes. If VP is also involved in this then it'd go to speaker of the house, who might ALSO be involved in this. [B]Hard to say at the end of the day, without all of the information, its impossible to say where the buck will actually stop.[/B][/QUOTE] In an ideal universe, we would get Mattis as President. But, that's too good to happen to us in this timeline, so we'd probably get fucking Paul Ryan as POTUS.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;53168300]Unfortunately, it's a real possibility as the constitution did not account for corruption of this scale. Granted, impeachment is a political process, meaning that - if the other branches of the Government go blue - they could probably have the means to impeach Pence, the other cronies in Trump's cabinet, etc. But, as long as the GOP continues to play wet nurse for Trump, don't count on it. [/QUOTE] I'm pretty surprised that in that theoretical scenario, there wouldn't just be a "hard reset" so to speak. If the power was gained illegitimately, wouldn't all of the actions conducted with that power also be illegitimate? I was under the impression that the inheritance chain was only implemented with the intent that it be used in a war scenario or something similar.
[QUOTE=phygon;53168305]I'm pretty surprised that in that theoretical scenario, there wouldn't just be a "hard reset" so to speak. If the power was gained illegitimately, wouldn't all of the actions conducted with that power also be illegitimate?[/QUOTE] In an ideal universe, I agree that would be the best way to go. But, looking at how the GOP has covered for Trump in the name of tax cuts, Obamacare repeal, and stacking the SCOTUS in their favor, do you really think that the GOP would play fair?
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;53168308]In an ideal universe, I agree that would be the best way to go. But, looking at how the GOP has covered for Trump in the name of tax cuts, Obamacare repeal, and stacking the SCOTUS in their favor, do you really think that the GOP would play fair?[/QUOTE] I would sincerely hope that they would either play ball in the name of liberty to preventing the country itself from nearly literally degrading (I seriously dislike American right-wing politicians but I feel like if it were to be unearthed that it truly and unarguably was the case that the man running under their mantle was essentially put there by Russia that they would be willling to flip the table on the administration for the purpose of saving face), or that we would have some sort of arcane just-in-case mechanism through which we could forcibly halt an attempted take-over of the government from a hostile entity. I'm not saying that that's specifically what this is, but the country was literally designed so that powers were separated to prevent abuse of the system, it seems extremely strange to me that we'd have literally no way to undo it given that fact.
[QUOTE=phygon;53168305]I'm pretty surprised that in that theoretical scenario, there wouldn't just be a "hard reset" so to speak. If the power was gained illegitimately, wouldn't all of the actions conducted with that power also be illegitimate? I was under the impression that the inheritance chain was only implemented with the intent that it be used in a war scenario or something similar.[/QUOTE] There's no constitutional remedy for undoing an election; this is an unprecedented situation. The only constitutional remedy is impeachment, purging the corrupt members from office. It's almost as if the Constitution was meant to be a living document that keeps up with the times but has become worshipped as a second Bible.
If the collusion is proven and runs deep that democrats in congress might try to force through an amendment for emergency elections. If that the case then the democrats would landslide the presidency for a few election cycles and the GOP would be discredited enough to have to rebrand and reorganize
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;53167270]Didn't Trump tweet about wanting the Russians to leak democratic emails and behold not soon after that the democratic emails got leaked?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;53167277]The hacked DNC emails were leaked and Trump [I]then[/I] [B]had a speech inviting Russia to leak Hillary's deleted private server emails[/B], "if they could find them". He also announced that he would hold a press conference "probably" the next Monday to release more damaging info about Hillary -- that press conference never happened, because the Pulse nightclub shooting happened that weekend. When asked later what he was going to talk about, he weakly wobbled out something vague about the book Clinton Cash. Trump would later deny fingering Russia as the hackers and suggested that maybe it's China or someone else, who knows? :thinking:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Alxnotorious;53167449]As elixwhitetail said, you don't even need tweets because the evidence was broadcast on on all news media for like a week. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ[/media][/QUOTE] Yup. That's right. Not just a tweet that he could have deleted within seconds before anyone saw it/saved it, but on [I]national fucking television in front of the entire US voting population and more[/I]. Our "perfectly fine" president, ladies and gentlemen.
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