'Burkini' swimsuits banned on Cannes Riveria beaches by French mayor - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Mayor David Lisnard signed off on the ruling that "access to beaches and for swimming is banned to anyone who does not have (bathing apparel) which respects good customs and secularism," which is a founding principle of the French republic. "We are not talking about banning the wearing of religious symbols on the beach ... but ostentatious clothing which refers to an allegiance to terrorist movements which are at war with us," he said.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/11/burkinis-banned-on-cannes-riviera-beaches-by-french-mayor/[/URL] Pictured: Burkinis [t]https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/ad_201671569-e1459589338805.jpg?w=964&h=639&crop=1[/t] [t]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/05/10/32DC0E9E00000578-3524170-image-a-13_1459848104013.jpg[/t] [t]http://newsbison.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/femmes-voilc3a9es-islam-plages.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/161109344346-0-1/s-l1000.jpg[/t]

They look pretty uncomfortable when wet

[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;50868758]They look pretty uncomfortable when wet[/QUOTE] I can't imagine they'd be much more uncomfortable than a wetsuit or something.

[quote]"We are not talking about banning the wearing of religious symbols on the beach ... but ostentatious clothing which refers to an allegiance to terrorist movements which are at war with us," he said.[/quote] Is this guy for real?

Oh great, now the women who wore these are less likely to actually go to and enjoy beaches. Truly a win for freedom and tolerance.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50868780][quote]"We are not talking about banning the wearing of religious symbols on the beach ... but ostentatious clothing which refers to an allegiance to terrorist movements which are at war with us," he said.[/quote] Is this guy for real?[/QUOTE] Waaaaay for him to make it racist

[QUOTE=Vengeful Falcon;50868791]Oh great, now the women who wore these are less likely to actually go to and enjoy beaches. Truly a win for freedom and tolerance.[/QUOTE] You should probably place more of the blame on the overly religious families that would not allow women to go and enjoy the beach in the first place.

While I think wearing that to the beach entirely defeats the purpose of going to a beach and going into the water, if that's your religion, and that's what you want to wear, you should never be banned from wearing it... although maybe you should consider another religion where women are seen as equals and can flaunt their sexuality or lack there of, in any way that they please because they have such rights as a human being. Of course if you truly believe as a woman that this is what your god wants of you, then have it, wear that dark baggy clothing to the beach, you go girl.

tbh these look like a great way to avoid a nasty sunburn

Are we forgetting that it was France that banned the Burka. I think this is a little ridiculous though, this doesn't even cover your face. [editline]11th August 2016[/editline] It also in my opinion looks uncomfortable as fuck and heavy when wet, literally not what you want on a hot, sunny, sandy beach.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50868802]You should probably place more of the blame on the overly religious families that would not allow women to go and enjoy the beach in the first place.[/QUOTE] I should place the blame for a ban on progressive muslim clothing... on muslims?

[QUOTE=Thlis;50868802]You should probably place more of the blame on the overly religious families that would not allow women to go and enjoy the beach in the first place.[/QUOTE] ???? this is about women who [I]could[/I] go to the beach because they could wear that shit in the OP now they can't enjoy the beach because it's banned

[QUOTE=bitches;50868830]I should place the blame for a ban on progressive muslim clothing... on muslims?[/QUOTE] Read the post I was replying to. [QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50868838]???? this is about women who [I]could[/I] go to the beach because they could wear that shit in the OP now they can't enjoy the beach because it's banned[/QUOTE] Blame the backwards belief that women cannot show their skin.

What is the public health concern regarding these swimsuits? I want someone to explain it to me.

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50868838]???? this is about women who [I]could[/I] go to the beach because they could wear that shit in the OP now they can't enjoy the beach because it's banned[/QUOTE] thlis hates muslims, hence this victim-blaming there is no reasoning to be had here; his history in SH makes this quite clear [editline]11th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Thlis;50868839]Read the post I was replying to.[/QUOTE] i did perhaps you didn't

[QUOTE=bitches;50868843]thlis hates muslims, hence this victim-blaming there is no reasoning to be had here; his history in SH makes this quite clear [editline]11th August 2016[/editline] i did perhaps you didn't[/QUOTE] Yes, I am obviously a racist that just hates Muslims. It's not that I find the idea of restricting the rights of women abhorrent. I'd prefer a ban on Burkas and Burkinis than pretending to consider those kind of beliefs compatible with a modern society. By the way, yeah, it's totally victim blaming to blame the families/tennants that force this ideal onto the victim.

I kinda get what Thlis is saying because it's not the French governments fault preventing them from going to the beach, it's their religion and presumably religious community forcing them to wear ridiculous clothes. It's still a dumb ban though.

I think they look silly and ridiculous and would rather women didn't wear them, but I don't think banning them is the answer.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50868839] Blame the backwards belief that women cannot show their skin.[/QUOTE] You are dodging the point. These swimsuits, though odd, harm no one. Explain the justification of banning this

[QUOTE=Thlis;50868802]You should probably place more of the blame on the overly religious families that would not allow women to go and enjoy the beach in the first place.[/QUOTE] Or maybe these women are choosing to follow their religion, and telling these people what is acceptable to wear will make them simply choose not to go to the beach. I doubt they come from highly conservative muslim families if they're wearing these in the first place.

[QUOTE=da space core;50868861]You are dodging the point. These swimsuits, though odd, harm no one. Explain the justification of banning this[/QUOTE] These types of clothing are forced upon women and girls primarily and religiously without their consent. I feel that banning this forces the religious community to modernize something which frankly is pretty important. I think the other comment from the Mayor was dumb.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50868873]These types of clothing are forced upon women and girls primarily and religiously without their consent. I feel that banning this forces the religious community to modernize something which frankly is pretty important. I think the other comment from the Mayor was dumb.[/QUOTE] You can't twist this as anything but religious discrimination. It's absurd that you don't see how this new clothing is progressive to begin with. Doubly so that you support banning such an effort.

It's... Literally just a long-sleeve crew-neck tee and leggings that you wear to the beach. Why the fuck did this need banning?

[QUOTE=Thlis;50868873]These types of clothing are forced upon women and girls primarily and religiously without their consent. I feel that banning this forces the religious community to modernize something which frankly is pretty important. I think the other comment from the Mayor was dumb.[/QUOTE] I don't think it is far fetched to say most or at least a lot of female muslims believe in their own religion

[QUOTE=Thlis;50868873] I feel that banning this forces the religious community to modernize something which frankly is pretty important. [/QUOTE] It won't. It will just prevent these women from going to the beach. Do you understand this? It's their religion.

can we get white, Christian women to wear this and see if they get arrested/fined/thrown off the beach

I don't know if the French constitution has the equivalent of the 1st amendment (protection for religious expression), but I wonder if this law would hold up in a US Court. I think no, and I wonder if there would be a similar case in France

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50868895]I don't think it is far fetched to say most or at least a lot of female muslims believe in their own religion[/QUOTE] Is it an excuse for social inequality if a group is taught and subsequently some of them believe that their social inequality is correct?

[QUOTE=Thlis;50868873]These types of clothing are forced upon women and girls primarily and religiously without their consent. I feel that banning this forces the religious community to modernize something which frankly is pretty important. I think the other comment from the Mayor was dumb.[/QUOTE] Sure, in some places and in some families, women are forced to wear these clothes. I, however, have never met any muslim women who feel they are obliged to wear modest clothing by anything other than their commitment to their religion and culture. The Koran doesn't actually specify, of course, what modest clothing means - it just says be modest. The Burqa and other things like it are 10th century Persian inventions that sort of caught on by virtue of association; they're comfortable to wear in the heat and they cover everything that needs to be covered. This doesn't force the religious community to modernise - I think that's something that comes by education and discussion, rather than just banning things you don't like about their culture. All this will do is stop muslims feeling able to go the beach and give more ammunition to the extremists who feel that the West is waging war against them.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50868904]Is it an excuse for social inequality if a group is taught and subsequently some of them believe that their social inequality is correct?[/QUOTE] It's definitely wrong. Banning the practice isn't a solution. It is a hostile measure that will only further entrench them in their beliefs and foster "us versus them" mentalities. This is what alienation means in arguments about modern social dilemmas surrounding Muslims. This clothing is a step in the right direction. The only way to change the minds of a group is to present better options and watch as the culture transforms via inclusive attitudes. This is what social integration means. This new clothing was a step in the right direction, representing the changing attitudes of modern integrated Muslim families to accept what would otherwise be deemed too promiscuous.