• Detlef and theLazylion’s art school
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[IMG]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12913216/Art/Digital Paintings/detleflion-banner.png[/IMG] In this short period of time that I have been attending my art university, I have learned a lot more than I thought was possible in such a short time span. This school is basically shoving as much fundamental information as it can down our throats, as fast as it can to make sure we master all the basics before we move on to more advanced subjects, and this is information I would never have been able to find in tutorials online, or in an art book. So I’m dedicating this thread in taking whatever knowledge I learn from this school and am passing it on to everyone here who wants it. One of the things we’re being taught to master is the art of giving critique, and finding mistakes in other artists work. This is something we rely heavily on in class. We’ll end up taking hours of class time, just so everyone can display their work in front of the class, and have all the other students with the teacher give out critique. Then we usually get until next class to fix the mistakes pointed out. The reason for this is that giving out critiques really helps the artists eye eventually get really good at spotting mistakes, and not only in other peoples work, but his/her own as well. So I have had a horrible past in critiquing. I haven’t really ever given any useful critique by the standards of what helpful critique should be, and I wish to change this, for the sake of people in this forum section getting better, as well as myself. The general purpose of this thread will be learning, this is not a clone of the creative work thread. If you have some work you really want to improve on, but you don’t know how, then post it here and either me or thelazylion (which attends the same school as I) will personally critique your work, and give out information as to how to generally improve your art as a whole. The reason I want to do this is not only to help people out here in the CC, but to help improve myself at critiquing, and it will end up benefiting both my art and a lot of yours as well. [B]Couple of rules about the thread:[/B] [B][/B] -Post only work you personally think is “perfect”, as in, you can’t find mistakes yourself/or you’re stuck and can’t seem to find a way to move on. Please don’t post half assed sketches. -If you know the mistakes in your piece, please try and fix them before you post. There is no point in us telling you something you already know. -If you want a more elaborate critique, we at least expect you to post an update with our critique taken into account. It’s not expected that the piece will be perfect, but it should be visible that you attempted to correct the noted mistakes. theLazyLion and I will be your instructors, and will be updating this thread with general tricks/advices/tutorials on improving your artwork in general. We will basically pass on the words of our teachers onto you guys. Alright so, anyone, start posting your art!
I was just about to post all my paintings and then realized I already knew what I could improve on some. How about these two. [IMG]http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/113/6/4/64292179722e2cf40a0ffac8a56cefb2-d4xax4z.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/174/b/4/self_portrait_by_liliotheone-d54liih.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pEHZV.gif[/IMG] my magnum opus
[t]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/174/b/4/self_portrait_by_liliotheone-d54liih.png[/t] This critique is from both Detlef and me, and we wont really get into your first painting considering how old it is, I'm sure you've probably improved your skills and techniques since then. As for the second one, it's an overall well made and solid piece. Anatomy is looking pretty accurate. There are a few issues I'm finding with the second painting. First off, whenever drawing something of mechanical structure such as those glasses, you have to make sure the proportions are always going to be as accurate and symmetrical as possible. Because that's key difference in drawing something organic vs mechanic. In the painting you've provided the glass frames are drawn somewhat differently from each other. The one on the left is drawn with a curved corner and the one on the right is drawn more angular on the corner. This from the start makes the image itself look off from the especially since its one of the initial focal points. Second thing would be the proportions of the mouth. You haven't provided the original reference so I can't judge as strongly as I would like, but in the painting you have drawn the mouth to be slightly smirking, which is fine. But the actual drawing is somewhat off. Instead of having the right side of the mouth smile wrap around the head shape, you have it flatly pulling to the right. It should be wrapping around the teeth/inner mouth instead. As for your colors, you're obviously are trying to stylize this piece which we welcome you to do, however there should always be a good reason to stylize anything. Your colors seem to get a bit muddy at times throughout the painting, and it presents itself in a form of random chaos, rather than a controlled chaos. Like having bits of red spots all around the mouth doesn't make the piece look more appealing but more like the guy in the painting has herpes. When working with a style like this you should really try to think more of what colors you're placing where, and why as to help you maintain a hierarchy of focal points throughout the painting, instead of having the piece have almost no focal point. Also when applying random colors in this sort of chaotic manner don't forget about your values. [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12913216/Critiques/critique.jpg[/img] When you don't make sure your values are consistent you lose some solid foundation on the form. Like looking at the cheek specifically you have random spots of shadow that don't make much sense when it comes to form. Also the values across the persons hat are a little flat, more form shadows showing the hat wrapping around the head would make it look less flat. And try to have things in the light have more contrast than the things in shadow. You should keep up what you're doing, just a few adjustments to your technique and your art will improve by miles.
*flips desk*
cool, will post some stuff in here soon [editline]15th October 2012[/editline] also looking forward to general tips, tricks and tutorials
-actually my art isn't ready for critiques.- [editline]e[/editline] Why are people rating this funny only lotusking saw it because it was a portrate of him. Was it really that bad for someone who had no experience with art?
[img_thumb]http://www.niggaupload.com/images/4oC1z.jpg[/img_thumb] WOOO that's bigger than I thought.
[QUOTE=kirby2112;38057809][img_thumb]http://www.niggaupload.com/images/4oC1z.jpg[/img_thumb] WOOO that's bigger than I thought.[/QUOTE] sorry for late reply. It's a really good piece, I like it a lot, but since it's abstract there isn't a lot for me to grasp, but I see some mistakes, abstract or not. your tower is pretty good at the bottom end, but when it comes over the sort of edge you made, it doesn't follow the perspective any more. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/OgxvA.jpg[/IMG] rough sketch of what I mean, the cylinder should be more curved towards the top. apart from that I just see that the stairs perspective doesn't have a vanishing point, the lines are just sorta prallel now. anyways great job, this was just nitpicking.
here's some shit that I drew on paint with a mouse [IMG]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/225/2/d/your_very_own_robot_butler_by_tetromino-d5azy7p.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/225/d/5/z_squadron_by_tetromino-d5azt9i.png[/IMG] Also these are what I consider my best b&w work [IMG]http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/062/e/4/___formerly_glorious_humans_____by_tetromino-d4rlodd.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/062/3/f/worthless_creatures_only_whose_husks_bring_any_use_by_tetromino-d4rn5b1.png[/IMG]
Yo, maybe I shouldn't say anything but the lion in the OP has a ridonkulously huge ass and it is bugging me. Also the way the mane is rendered is kind of wonky, esp. where it connects with the head could use more definition + contact shadowing.
even though its not the main purpose of the thread would u say 3d work is acceptable to post?? i feel like it could be equally criticized, maybe not as much technically but more so aesthetically.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;38173636]even though its not the main purpose of the thread would u say 3d work is acceptable to post?? i feel like it could be equally criticized, maybe not as much technically but more so aesthetically.[/QUOTE] imo 3d should be ok
[QUOTE=Detlef;38041593] [B]Couple of rules about the thread:[/B] -Post only work you personally think is “perfect”, as in, you can’t find mistakes yourself/or you’re stuck and can’t seem to find a way to move on. Please don’t post half assed sketches. -If you know the mistakes in your piece, please try and fix them before you post. There is no point in us telling you something you already know. -If you want a more elaborate critique, we at least expect you to post an update with our critique taken into account. It’s not expected that the piece will be perfect, but it should be visible that you attempted to correct the noted mistakes.[/QUOTE] I think that only posting work that you personally think is "perfect" is not conducive to a good critiquing atmosphere. You can give accurate and informative critique at all stages of development. Also in my entire college art school experience over the last four years I've never once thought a piece of mine was at a "perfect" stage.
[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;38155550]here's some shit that I drew on paint with a mouse [IMG]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/225/2/d/your_very_own_robot_butler_by_tetromino-d5azy7p.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/225/d/5/z_squadron_by_tetromino-d5azt9i.png[/IMG] Also these are what I consider my best b&w work [IMG]http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/062/e/4/___formerly_glorious_humans_____by_tetromino-d4rlodd.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/062/3/f/worthless_creatures_only_whose_husks_bring_any_use_by_tetromino-d4rn5b1.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Although these seem more like doodles, I will offer a bit of critique to help you improve on them.. For the first one, make sure that no matter how sketchy-like something might be, have what you're drawing be in the right perspective or it'll look wrong no matter how accurate or well the drawing is drawn. Like here, the feet of the butler robot thing seem to be standing on different planes of the floor. One seems to be going further down than the other.. plus they aren't tapering into the distance as much as the torso is. You have this slightly looking down angle which is applied to the torso but the legs seem flatly straight on drawn. Which is inconsistent with the torso and looks wrong. As for the squadron thing, watch for strange tangents and placements of elements throughout the picture, having the foot cropped randomly out like that makes it seem unprofessional. Also the way his gun seems to be cropped behind his butt is a weird place to crop a gun, compositionally. As for the main dude, his calves are getting too proportionally short, so watch your general proportions before you start detailing stuff onto the character as to not waste time redrawing everything if you need to correct them. The glorious humans one isn't bad. Pose is somewhat unbalanced though. Something is off with it, I think it might look as if it might be tipping backwards a bit. Maybe having his leg extended outward a bit more would help with that. Same goes for the last one, except he's going to fall over forward, always make sure that the center weight of any humanoid is balanced, having a foot directly below the headline works well with solving that problem. Also dont be afraid in including the thick outline like line into some of your drawings on the inside.. Using thicker lines to show more separation between different parts and limbs. Like a thick outline separating the legs from each other. [QUOTE=DOG-GY;38173636]even though its not the main purpose of the thread would u say 3d work is acceptable to post?? i feel like it could be equally criticized, maybe not as much technically but more so aesthetically.[/QUOTE] I'm not too familiar with the creation of 3d work, but I can critique on what I know of form, visuals, aesthetic and general artistic merit, so if you wish to post, go for it. But I can't guarantee I'll be as helpful as I am with 2d art. :) [QUOTE=Ajacks;38212741]I think that only posting work that you personally think is "perfect" is not conducive to a good critiquing atmosphere. You can give accurate and informative critique at all stages of development. Also in my entire college art school experience over the last four years I've never once thought a piece of mine was at a "perfect" stage.[/QUOTE] Well by "what you think is perfect", what we mean is, if you know your piece has flaws, fix them until you yourself see no more flaws, then submit.. There is no point in getting critique when you already know what the problems are. We don't really expect people to just flaunt that they think their work is perfection. We mean just submit work in which you cannot find anymore flaws.
This is probably my favourite piece at the moment. I know it's quite quiet and there's not much variation in material, but in terms of colour, values, lighting and depth I'm very happy with it. [IMG]http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/259/4/d/canyon_speed_paint_by_zacharyhogan-d5ev2ed.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE][IMG]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/225/d/5/z_squadron_by_tetromino-d5azt9i.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Z-Sqtsadyaoee?
[QUOTE=Broguts;38217383]Z-Sqtsadyaoee?[/QUOTE] I think it's Russian or Alien
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38217282]This is probably my favourite piece at the moment. I know it's quite quiet and there's not much variation in material, but in terms of colour, values, lighting and depth I'm very happy with it. [IMG]http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/259/4/d/canyon_speed_paint_by_zacharyhogan-d5ev2ed.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Can you make a thread with all your concept work?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;38226139]I think it's Russian or Alien[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying what it would be pronounced in Cyrillic.
ШHДT ДЯЗ УФЦ TДLКIИG ДЬФЦT ЪЯФGЦTS? IT'S CLЭДЯLЧ ЩЯITTЗЙ IИ ЯЦSSIДЙ.
[QUOTE=TH89;38230931]ШHДT ДЯЗ УФЦ TДLКIИG ДЬФЦT ЪЯФGЦTS? IT'S CLЭДЯLЧ ЩЯITTЗЙ IИ ЯЦSSIДЙ.[/QUOTE] Shndt dyaz oofts tdlkieeg dftst yafgtsts It's slzdyalch shyaittzy iya Yatsssidch?
[QUOTE=Lilyo;38227442]Can you make a thread with all your concept work?[/QUOTE] He has a sb Nevermind, just checked it and it's pretty bare of any of the work I remember
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;38232220]He has a sb Nevermind, just checked it and it's pretty bare of any of the work I remember[/QUOTE] Ah I keep the sketchbook mainly for comic stuff and tend to post all of my other stuff in CWTDDAT Thanks Lilyo! I'm not sure about it though; I like posting stuff in CWTDDAT because I tend to get more regular viewers and responses, and I feel a bit awkward posting the same image in two places at once in the same subforum I'll see how it goes though!
[QUOTE=Broguts;38231376]Shndt dyaz oofts tdlkieeg dftst yafgtsts It's slzdyalch shyaittzy iya Yatsssidch?[/QUOTE] You heard me
[QUOTE=Broguts;38229196]No, I'm saying what it would be pronounced in Cyrillic.[/QUOTE] Isn't there like different transliterations for each language?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;38226139]I think it's Russian or Alien[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Broguts;38217383]Z-Sqtsadyaoee?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Broguts;38229196]No, I'm saying what it would be pronounced in Cyrillic.[/QUOTE] omg i just used a cyrillic looking font you dildos [editline]29th October 2012[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eUVjk.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Krinkels;38233164]Isn't there like different transliterations for each language?[/QUOTE] Yep, some languages even add letters to the massive list of 32 letters, such as Serbian Cyrillic adding a J.
You гайз are just реально making the russian великий и могучий language look like ужасный communist evil mumbling [editline]29th October 2012[/editline] I loved how in the Avengers movie in the part where agent Natasha is introduce, which takes place in russia, the billboards say something like "ЩДЖБ ЗГЩ КРД" which is equal to SHDJB ZGSH CRD like we don't have vocal sounds in russian language. And it's the fucking multibillion budget movie. I have always wondered if it's that hard to get one russian to write a damn sentance or if it's intended
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