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Scientists in the southern city of Shenzhen performed the experiment on Zhu Jianqiang, or "Strong-Willed Pig", and produced six offspring with DNA identical to their dad, who was hailed as a national hero following his harrowing ordeal, the Sunday Morning Post reported.
The births over the past few weeks of six piglets happened even though Zhu had been castrated before the quake, suffered severe trauma from being buried for 36 days, and is five years old – or about 60 in human terms.
"But the wonderful pig surprised us again," Du Yutao, the leader of the cloning project, told the Post.
The 330-pound (150 kilogram) hog reportedly survived in the ruins of its sty by chewing charcoal and drinking rainwater.
His offspring reportedly bear a striking resemblance to their dad, including a birthmark between their eyes, the Post reported.
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[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8771749/Hero-pig-of-Chinas-earthquake-is-cloned.html[/url]
Cloned In China.
Great, now clone that guy who swam through his flooded town to resuce his wife, [I][B]then[/B][/I] went back under to save his mother.
Without a wet-suit.
[QUOTE=Cone;32370603]Great, now clone that guy who swam through his flooded town to resuce his wife, [I][B]then[/B][/I] went back under to save his mother.
Without a wet-suit.[/QUOTE]
Last I heard cloning hasn't advanced enough for reliable use on humans, and there are loads of moral debates regarding cloning and genetic manipulation in general
[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;32370645]Last I heard cloning hasn't advanced enough for reliable use on humans, and there are loads of moral debates regarding cloning and genetic manipulation in general[/QUOTE]
And by "Moral" you mean "Attempting to appease the infuriating luddites in hope that they'll conveniently ignore the advancement of healthcare so that they die from forgetting to breathe".
[QUOTE=DireAvenger;32370693]And by "Moral" you mean "Attempting to appease the infuriating luddites in hope that they'll conveniently ignore the advancement of healthcare so that they die from forgetting to breathe".[/QUOTE]
I must admit though, there's some good arguments against it, even if they were all made up just to piss people off rather than for the reasons the arguments suggest.
For instance: who exactly do you belong to when you're manufactured? The corporation that made you?
Yeah I was going to say something about how China clones shit and animals but I really can't think of anything.
Also, neat.
I certainly won't want a clone of me roaming around :tinfoil:
clone anne frank and give me a bed, I got some cherry to pop. :zoid:
[QUOTE=CoolHandLuke;32371420]clone anne frank and give me a bed, I got some cherry to pop. :zoid:[/QUOTE]
Better yet, clone Nikola Tesla. He's got Thomas Edison's grave to piss on.
[QUOTE=Cone;32370767]I must admit though, there's some good arguments against it, even if they were all made up just to piss people off rather than for the reasons the arguments suggest.
For instance: who exactly do you belong to when you're manufactured? The corporation that made you?[/QUOTE]
That's a silly question. Humans can't belong to anyone, that would be slavery.
[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;32371534]That's a silly question. Humans can't belong to anyone, that would be slavery.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, but it's an interesting idea to explore. After all, if you can just clone someone, would the value of human life not decay?
I'm not saying I'm against cloning - I'm all for it, it's an awesome field of study. However, there are still issues to be ironed out.
[QUOTE=Cone;32371554]Indeed, but it's an interesting idea to explore. After all, if you can just clone someone, would the value of human life not decay?
I'm not saying I'm against cloning - I'm all for it, it's an awesome field of study. However, there are still issues to be ironed out.[/QUOTE]
Biggest issues at the moment are pretty clear.
[quote]More than 90% of cloning attempts fail to produce viable offspring. More than 100 nuclear transfer procedures could be required to produce one viable clone. In addition to low success rates, [b]cloned animals tend to have more compromised immune function and higher rates of infection, tumor growth, and other disorders[/b]. Japanese studies have shown that [b]cloned mice live in poor health and die early. About a third of the cloned calves born alive have died young[/b], and many of them were abnormally large. Many cloned animals have not lived long enough to generate good data about how clones age. Appearing healthy at a young age unfortunately is not a good indicator of long-term survival. Clones have been known to die mysteriously. For example, Australia's first cloned sheep appeared healthy and energetic on the day she died, and the results from her autopsy failed to determine a cause of death.[/quote]
In the future we should hopefully be able to improve.
[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;32370645]Last I heard cloning hasn't advanced enough for reliable use on humans, and there are loads of moral debates regarding cloning and genetic manipulation in general[/QUOTE]
Problem with cloning is that it shortens telomeres, a clone would have a drastically shorter lifespan. I.E. about 40 years.
[QUOTE=Article]His offspring reportedly bear a striking resemblance to their dad[/QUOTE]
No way!
[QUOTE=Spycrabz;32371704]Problem with cloning is that it shortens telomeres, a clone would have a drastically shorter lifespan. I.E. about 40 years.[/QUOTE]
Really? That's a lot for animals with about 100 years average lifetime
Another reason why cloning isn't really practical, not for humans at least.
Well my Dad's been saying "They'll be cloning people next!" for years.
How do I explain this.
Those chineese pigs!
[QUOTE=DireAvenger;32370693]And by "Moral" you mean "Attempting to appease the infuriating luddites in hope that they'll conveniently ignore the advancement of healthcare so that they die from forgetting to breathe".[/QUOTE]
No, by moral they mean "not cloning people with imperfect cloning methods and causing said clone to be born with horrible birth defects"
China is so fake, even the animals are just fake copies of another animal
[QUOTE=Cone;32370767]I must admit though, there's some good arguments against it, even if they were all made up just to piss people off rather than for the reasons the arguments suggest.
For instance: who exactly do you belong to when you're manufactured? The corporation that made you?[/QUOTE]If I cloned myself I'd freak the hell out because I wouldn't know what to do with the new addition
Plus my apartment's too small for two people /:v:\
Today, a cloned pig. Tomorrow, free bacon for everyone!
[QUOTE=Cone;32371554]Indeed, but it's an interesting idea to explore. After all, if you can just clone someone, would the value of human life not decay?
I'm not saying I'm against cloning - I'm all for it, it's an awesome field of study. However, there are still issues to be ironed out.[/QUOTE]
Because the value of life isn't about quantity or uniqueness it's base is intelligence/sentience. There are 7,000,000,000 people on earth and they probably get treated better than they did in the middle ages when there was a fraction of that amount.
There's already been a human clone, i dont know the fine details but there was a cable on wikileaks about a cloned girl named eve in Montreal.
and on the subject of manufacturing people, i can manufacture people with my dick, does that make me allowed to enslave those people? no, don't be ridiculous.
So they say a [I]pig.[/I] Is a national hero.
[QUOTE=Cone;32370767]
For instance: who exactly do you belong to when you're manufactured? The corporation that made you?[/QUOTE]
By that logic children belong to their mothers like some form of item or product
[QUOTE=Quark:;32382938]If I cloned myself I'd freak the hell out because I wouldn't know what to do with the new addition
Plus my apartment's too small for two people /:v:\[/QUOTE]
That's not how cloning works currently.
A clone is just someone who has the same DNA as you. They still have to be born as an infant and grow up to adulthood and all that.
[QUOTE=Test Card F;32393108]By that logic children belong to their mothers like some form of item or product[/QUOTE]
I think he's referring more to the feeling that when you're cloned its like you're being manufactured. When you're born you're well...born. You have a child to have a child but you would have some purpose to cloning a human rather than to put another human on this earth.
Imo, a good system would be that all human clones are born under the citizenship laws in the home country of whatever company or organization (private or public) that produces them. For example, a company based in the US but operating in, say, Mexico would be producing a bunch of people who are U.S. citizens under our laws.
[QUOTE=MightyMax;32393049]So they say a [I]pig.[/I] Is a national hero.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it's meant to represent enduring will.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;32388646]There's already been a human clone, i dont know the fine details but there was a cable on wikileaks about a cloned girl named eve in Montreal.[/QUOTE]
The wikileaks document you're talking about was about a cult that claimed they had cloned a human but it turned out to be a hoax.
[url]http://wikileaks.org/cable/2003/01/03MONTREAL1.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonaid[/url]
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