At least 46 anti-abortion bills are already in front of state legislatures in 2017 - Polidicks

[url]https://news.vice.com/story/at-least-46-anti-abortion-bills-are-already-in-front-of-state-legislatures-in-2017[/url] [quote]State legislatures have been back in session a little more than a week and lawmakers are already going after abortion rights. At least 46 anti-abortion bills have been introduced or are pending in 14 states as of Thursday morning — 15 in Missouri alone, according to research compiled by the Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit group that supports abortion rights, and additional reporting by VICE News. Many of these measures are nearly identical and fit distinct patterns, such as “personhood” bills in Missouri, Texas, and Florida that aim to grant fetuses a right to life from the moment of conception.[/quote] [quote]Lawmakers in five states (Kentucky, New Jersey, Virginia, Texas, and Florida) introduced bills to ban abortion after 20 weeks of fertilization, when, they argue, fetuses can feel pain. These bills are modeled after legislation drafted by the anti-abortion organization National Right to Life, which has made passing the “Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act” in states around the country a priority in recent years. Nebraska was the first state to adopt this law, in 2010, and now at least 14 other states have 20-week bans in place, according to Guttmacher. Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich signed a 20-week ban into law late last year after months of controversy surrounding a different bill that would have banned abortions at six weeks. Another common proposal seeks to ban “dilation and extraction” abortions, the most common procedure used during the second trimester. Missouri, Texas, Arkansas, and New Jersey have filed bills that would make the procedure illegal except in rare cases. This is another piece of legislation drafted and backed by National Right to Life (the group calls the measure the “Unborn Child Protection from Dismemberment Abortion Act”). The Texas chapter of the organization said passing this law is its number one priority for the upcoming legislative session. Mississippi and West Virginia are the only two states that currently ban dilation and extraction abortions. Medical evidence does not support the claim that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks or through the second-trimester procedure. These measures reflect the “personhood” movement, which is premised on the idea that an unborn fetus is entitled to the same constitutional rights as a person. The notion that life begins at conception, or at the first detection of a heartbeat, is the basis for bills like Indiana’s HB 1134, which seeks to redefine the beginning of human life as “when a human ovum is fertilized by a human sperm.” Bills that require women seeking abortions to have an ultrasound and view it, like Missouri’s HB 404, and bills that mandate funeral requirements for fetal remains, like Texas’ HB 201, also reinforce the notion that abortion ends a viable human life.[/quote]

So much for small government and individual liberties being paramount, right?

Ban abortion [I]and[/I] remove access to female birth control by repealing the ACA. Surely nothing bad can come from this.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51667324]Ban abortion [I]and[/I] remove access to female birth control by repealing the ACA. Surely nothing bad can come from this.[/QUOTE] May as well move to the Vatican.

Time to invest in hangers!

Never thought I'd be getting a vasectomy at age 22. Few deposits at the First Nation Bank of Hot Man Chowder and I'll be quite alright.

These bills should be aborted.

People are going to die because ofthe changes the GOP is making. Despicable

This is so fucked up. I swear, these people have no empathy. I've read so many disturbing stories on reddit of people having to go through complications and whatnot because of lack of access to abortions. Things like having to see their baby suffer and die in their hands, sometimes in a messy way.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51667320]So much for small government and individual liberties being paramount, right?[/QUOTE] Individual liberty and freedom to do what you want as long as it's within the bounds of my strict evangelical Christian beliefs. Anything else is a war on Christmas.

yeah, this'll show women for thinking they had control over their own body! land of the free! MAGA! [sp]/s[/sp]

Everyone knows the best way to prevent welfare queens is to force young women to be unwilling mothers because you banned abortion

[QUOTE=The golden;51667581]Not to be "that person" but the political situation in the US is a fucking disgrace on humanities history. It's not often you see a government do a total 180 and slam on the warp-drive at maximum power backwards and beyond. One party is semi-right leaning moderates and the other is hardcore right tyrants with followers bordering on being neo-nazis. How does it even get THAT fucked?[/QUOTE] It's what happens when in a two party system the two parties are polarized to the point one party's purpose seems to only be the exact opposite of the other, regardless of how bad it might be.

No. It should be a women's choice whether or not to get an abortion, not the government, not the law, nobody else. The fact that there are people arguing against it is disgusting and wrong, and shows how despicable people can be.

There is no reason to get rid of abortions you can't just fucking ban everything and say "Yep, glad we solved that one right, Tom! I mean its not like our grandmothers where having underground abortions that lead to all manners of awful shit. Oh I guess it'll work out dandy just like how banning drugs stops all drug addicts and dealers from ever having anything to do with them again!" Even if goes against you're very fucking being, women NEED the ability to choose and if they do there better be a god damned trained professional, who will help her. or am I just a fucking idiot?

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51667364]Time to invest in hangers![/QUOTE] Stairs are better! Bonus round: insurance for falls

The US Patriarchy is at it again to control women's sexuality running under the basis of that women are nothing but livestock property to be bought and sold from Father (and other Male "inheritors" like Grandfather/Brother/Uncle/Cousin/Son especially if something happened to the Father) to Husband to be future baby making machines and house slaves/serfs.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;51667677]It's what happens when in a two party system the two parties are polarized to the point one party's purpose seems to only be the exact opposite of the other, regardless of how bad it might be.[/QUOTE] wrong, the democrats are far from the opposite of the republicans. well maybe if you're talking about sanity levels, but politically, the opposite of the republicans would be like a far-left Green Party, not a centrist party like the dems

[QUOTE=The golden;51667581]Not to be "that person" but the political situation in the US is a fucking disgrace on humanities history. It's not often you see a government do a total 180 and slam on the warp-drive at maximum power backwards and beyond. One party is semi-right leaning moderates and the other is hardcore right tyrants with followers bordering on being neo-nazis. How does it even get THAT fucked?[/QUOTE] Are you genuinely fucking kidding? You are being, "that person," because this viewset is [I]the problem.[/I] There have been much more cataclysmic and volatile position-flips by nations. There have been much larger "failings" than a conservative party finally gaining a bare majority over it's liberal counterpart. Even here, in America! Or are we forgetting the Christian revivalist zeitgeist that overtook America in the 1920's, pass prohibition and plunged us in to nigh-on a decade of genuine calamity? Are we forgetting the surprising win of Abraham Lincoln over [I]literally anyone else,[/I] leading to an actual Civil War? Are we forgetting like, all of history essentially? Sometimes someone else is in power. Sometimes they aren't your heroes. Sometimes it [I]happens[/I]. It's not a "disgrace to humanity," it's not even a, "total 180." This is not the Jacobin Directory cutting off the heads of it's enemies, or the [ [B]insert communist purge of choice here[/B] ] or the fall of the Roman Senate at the hands of the unenlightened hordes. Believe it or not, there are a large number of Republicans who are not, "hardcore right tyrants bordering on being neo-nazis," but if all you can muster up is the ability to yell that at them, then they might as well be. Take a mildly larger view, just for a moment, please.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51667320]So much for small government and individual liberties being paramount, right?[/QUOTE] One could argue that you're be breaching the individual rights of a fetus. That's based on the notion that at the moment of conception it is considered a person. I am a big fan of pro choice, but honestly for anything to stick you have to draw a line somewhere in the sand where a mass of cells turns into a human being. Until that line has been drawn by the federal government you're going to see this over and over again, unless the line is drawn at conception to which then the pro choice option will be null. It is something that needs to be discussed as a case of ethics rather than religion, including when actual conciousness develops and what we'd define as actual conciousness.

[QUOTE=The golden;51667581]Not to be "that person" but the political situation in the US is a fucking disgrace on humanities history. It's not often you see a government do a total 180 and slam on the warp-drive at maximum power backwards and beyond. One party is semi-right leaning moderates and the other is hardcore right tyrants with followers bordering on being neo-nazis. How does it even get THAT fucked?[/QUOTE] It's hard to say why, but I'd wager it began with the religious fervor behind Reagan. That's not a hyperbole either, part of the strategy was to win over religious folk with "X is the candidate of God" type speech. Combine that with mass media and it spread like wildfire. Now the right in America is incredibly self-righteous (sorta like the extreme left they complain about).

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51667955]Are you genuinely fucking kidding? You are being, "that person," because this viewset is [I]the problem.[/I] There have been much more cataclysmic and volatile position-flips by nations. There have been much larger "failings" than a conservative party finally gaining a bare majority over it's liberal counterpart. Even here, in America! Or are we forgetting the Christian revivalist zeitgeist that overtook America in the 1920's, pass prohibition and plunged us in to nigh-on a decade of genuine calamity? Are we forgetting the surprising win of Abraham Lincoln over [I]literally anyone else,[/I] leading to an actual Civil War? Are we forgetting like, all of history essentially? Sometimes someone else is in power. Sometimes they aren't your heroes. Sometimes it [I]happens[/I]. It's not a "disgrace to humanity," it's not even a, "total 180." This is not the Jacobin Directory cutting off the heads of it's enemies, or the [ [B]insert communist purge of choice here[/B] ] or the fall of the Roman Senate at the hands of the unenlightened hordes. Believe it or not, there are a large number of Republicans who are not, "hardcore right tyrants bordering on being neo-nazis," but if all you can muster up is the ability to yell that at them, then they might as well be. Take a mildly larger view, just for a moment, please.[/QUOTE] These are people that [I]cried[/I] on election night because they thought Literally Hitler got elected, they're getting fed stories that their cause really is just and the wrong people got elected by a media that's doubling-down on their beliefs rather than admit they've been ignoring a huge portion of the American demographic because they're in the (eww) "Flyover states." I doubt people will ever get a more reasonable, moderate view of this entire situation because people have been told for eight years their version of history is the [I]right[/I] side of history, and the narrative can not and will not be taken from them. Not now, not ever. I mean good lord, I saw someone in a previous thread throw a temper tantrum on how Donald Trump and everyone that elected him are not just bad, they're [I][B]villains.[/B][/I] Pure, unadulterated evil.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51668236]These are people that [I]cried[/I] on election night because they thought Literally Hitler got elected, they're getting fed stories that their cause really is just and the wrong people got elected by a media that's doubling-down on their beliefs rather than admit they've been ignoring a huge portion of the American demographic because they're in the (eww) "Flyover states." I doubt people will ever get a more reasonable, moderate view of this entire situation because people have been told for eight years their version of history is the [I]right[/I] side of history, and the narrative can not and will not be taken from them. Not now, not ever. I mean good lord, I saw someone in a previous thread throw a temper tantrum on how Donald Trump and everyone that elected him are not just bad, they're [I][B]villains.[/B][/I] Pure, unadulterated evil.[/QUOTE] I feel like measured forms of criticism, and dislike of the man are being ignored in favour of the more extremist views that are more fun to tackle for some people. Personally, you're not going to assuage my concerns that his actions will most likely harm millions of people, but I don't believe he's "evil". Just as ignorant and isolated and self interested as it is humanely possible to be.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51668236]These are people that [I]cried[/I] on election night because they thought Literally Hitler got elected, they're getting fed stories that their cause really is just and the wrong people got elected by a media that's doubling-down on their beliefs rather than admit they've been ignoring a huge portion of the American demographic because they're in the (eww) "Flyover states." I doubt people will ever get a more reasonable, moderate view of this entire situation because people have been told for eight years their version of history is the [I]right[/I] side of history, and the narrative can not and will not be taken from them. Not now, not ever. I mean good lord, I saw someone in a previous thread throw a temper tantrum on how Donald Trump and everyone that elected him are not just bad, they're [I][B]villains.[/B][/I] Pure, unadulterated evil.[/QUOTE] I cried on election night because I had just moved to the U.S. two months beforehand from a country rife with right-wing corruption where gay marriage is still illegal in order to get married to my same-sex partner of six years, and my entire life's plans had suddenly come under threat because a gaggle of anti-LGBT conservatives are holding the reins. Seriously, not everyone is overreacting. I wish I was privileged enough to dismiss everyone that upset as being hysterical.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51667955]Are you genuinely fucking kidding? You are being, "that person," because this viewset is [I]the problem.[/I] There have been much more cataclysmic and volatile position-flips by nations. There have been much larger "failings" than a conservative party finally gaining a bare majority over it's liberal counterpart. Even here, in America! Or are we forgetting the Christian revivalist zeitgeist that overtook America in the 1920's, pass prohibition and plunged us in to nigh-on a decade of genuine calamity? Are we forgetting the surprising win of Abraham Lincoln over [I]literally anyone else,[/I] leading to an actual Civil War? Are we forgetting like, all of history essentially? Sometimes someone else is in power. Sometimes they aren't your heroes. Sometimes it [I]happens[/I]. It's not a "disgrace to humanity," it's not even a, "total 180." This is not the Jacobin Directory cutting off the heads of it's enemies, or the [ [B]insert communist purge of choice here[/B] ] or the fall of the Roman Senate at the hands of the unenlightened hordes. Believe it or not, there are a large number of Republicans who are not, "hardcore right tyrants bordering on being neo-nazis," but if all you can muster up is the ability to yell that at them, then they might as well be. Take a mildly larger view, just for a moment, please.[/QUOTE] Regardless of how you lean politically it's hard for me to understand how you could see Donald Trump as anything but a disgrace.

Yeah. People are being babies for being upset the Republicans are going to wreck our healthcare system (take away access for millions without an effective alternative), institute (unconstitutional) regressive sexist bullshit "life at conception" laws, encourage discrimination against LGBT individuals, etc (I.e. dumbass republican things like instituting porn filter laws) Let's just ignore the fact that we're seeing our country blatantly handed to big Oil and corporate interests. If you were stupid enough to vote for this guy I'll call you out on it. Get used to it, you're going to hear worse in the coming years as the damage gets worse.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51668236] I mean good lord, I saw someone in a previous thread throw a temper tantrum on how Donald Trump and everyone that elected him are not just bad, they're [I][B]villains.[/B][/I] Pure, unadulterated evil.[/QUOTE] Yeah because the archetypal corrupt corporate con-man and a dude whose entire claim to fame is that he has a religiously fanatical hard-on for torturing gay teens are true bastions of morality. I'm not going to argue that every single Trump voter was a villainous bigot who did so out of spite- that's dumb. People can be misinformed, People can be desperate, People could be ignorant, Hell, people can be outright gullible- there are plenty of explanations for people voting Trump besides malice. But without even scratching the surface it's crystal clear to anyone with even a shred of empathy that Trump and friends are the bad guys. I mean, for fucks sake, when it comes to climate change- Trump is backing the side that wants to [b] Literally destroy the planet we live on for $$$.[/b] Can't you see how that looks to some people?. Who cares if these people are cackling diabolically to one another or not if the effects of their actions will be just as shit either way?

[QUOTE=OvB;51667594]Individual liberty and freedom to do what you want as long as it's within the bounds of my strict evangelical Christian beliefs. Anything else is a war on Christmas.[/QUOTE] I love how people in this thread act like abortion is no big deal and the Republicans are just fucking retards with no point. Yep its just [I]Christian values[/I] that say that ending a life is wrong! Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-choice. But acting like abortion isn't a gray area and that he other side is a bunch of clowns on this argument kind of makes you look like a nob. The government is also here to ban things like murder, in this case people view it the same way. You're more than welcome to disagree with them but can't you at least empathize with them [I]on one fucking issue[/I] jfc

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;51668991]You're more than welcome to disagree with them but can't you at least empathize with them [I]on one fucking issue[/I] jfc[/QUOTE] Why does one have to empathize with them on that issue, anyway? That's like empathizing with the guy in Australia who [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1548550"]forcefully married a child[/URL] because it was okay culturally in their country and by their religion. Is the point that the issue is much more clear cut and black/white for me? Sure, it is. However, this issue should be primarily personal one, not one imposed upon others by law.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;51668991]But acting like abortion isn't a gray area and that he other side is a bunch of clowns on this argument kind of makes you look like a nob.[/QUOTE] I think abortion is a grey area but it should be a grey area wholly for women. Men ultimately shouldn't have a say in the matter because they don't have to carry the darn thing for nine months.