North Korea threatens 'pain and suffering' ahead of UN sanctions vote - Polidicks

[QUOTE][IMG]http://www.dw.com/image/40121773_303.jpg[/IMG] North Korea has said the US will pay a heavy price if the UN Security Council passes a new round of sanctions against Pyongyang. If approved, the sanctions would be the toughest ever issued against North Korea. North Korea's Foreign Ministry issued a statement early on Monday saying that it was "ready and willing" to respond with its own measures [URL="http://www.dw.com/en/united-states-says-north-korea-begging-for-war-amid-calls-for-stronger-un-sanctions/a-40359843"]should a new round of sanctions be approved[/URL] later in the day.[/QUOTE] Source: [URL="http://www.dw.com/en/north-korea-issues-threat-ahead-of-un-sanctions-vote/a-40442158"]Deutsche Welle[/URL] DW bias check: [URL="https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/dw-news/"]Left-Center[/URL]

Fuckin' hell it's like they WANT to be invaded. Well, they probably DON'T want that, but they just CAN'T keep their fuckin' mouths shut when they're already on thin ice.

All talk, no bite. The second they bite, is the second we wipe them off the map.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52670709]All talk, no bite. The second they bite, is the second we wipe them off the map.[/QUOTE] And the second we send troops into North Korea, is the second that China ups their game. Though honestly, we NEED to convince China to let it happen, make an accurate forecast pertaining to the mutual benefits of a United Korea. And at the same time, detail the severe consequences for BOTH sides if China doesn't stop treating North Korea as an asset and start treating it as what it actually is: a hostile liability that needs to be properly pacified via a joint military operation.

PVA version 2 boogaloo at this rate. China say it will be neutral if North Korea attacks first, but that didn't stop them before. [video=youtube;xi-AFmkq1oA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi-AFmkq1oA[/video] They called us imperialists but we weren't the ones who supported an aggressor by defending their homeland for them, we didn't give weapons to the South Koreans after all to invade the north despite them asking. Maybe we should have in retrospect since the North invaded after all.

[QUOTE=ironman17;52670719]And the second we send troops into North Korea, is the second that China ups their game. Though honestly, we NEED to convince China to let it happen, make an accurate forecast pertaining to the mutual benefits of a United Korea. And at the same time, detail the severe consequences for BOTH sides if China doesn't stop treating North Korea as an asset and start treating it as what it actually is: a hostile liability that needs to be properly pacified via a joint military operation.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I don't see any how fighting on NK's side would outweigh the political/economical disaster that would ensue for China. That little backwater can't be worth more than the global market, can it?

Let us pray that NK is foolish enough to bite the hand that tolerates them, or at the very least accidentally fire a missile North instead of East. Anything to get China to intervene. Hell, at this point having North Korea actually annexed and fully under Chinese control would probably be preferable to this eternal stalemate. Though if that were the case, it would probably set a worrying precedent for China's neoimperialistic behaviour, even if South Korea is a rather "Western" Asian country, which would mean that messing with SK means messing with the West. [QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;52670769]Honestly, I don't see any how fighting on NK's side would outweigh the political/economical disaster that would ensue for China. That little backwater can't be worth more than the global market, can it?[/QUOTE] That would probably be something worth bringing up during the next international political conference. A lot of their wealth does come from the global market, after all, and it's not worth throwing that cash away for the sake of some backwards authoritarian nightmare of a splinter-state. ...speaking of which, if such a political/economical disaster DID happen, with economic sanctions prohibiting most business with China, how bad would it be for the world economy? Do you think more Western nations would have to manufacture at home, or would they just outsource it all to India?

[QUOTE=ironman17;52670719]And the second we send troops into North Korea, is the second that China ups their game. Though honestly, we NEED to convince China to let it happen, make an accurate forecast pertaining to the mutual benefits of a United Korea. And at the same time, detail the severe consequences for BOTH sides if China doesn't stop treating North Korea as an asset and start treating it as what it actually is: a hostile liability that needs to be properly pacified via a joint military operation.[/QUOTE] China is actually getting pissed because They are no longer in control, in fact recently we Found out RUSSIA is, Because Kim asked The Russian Mafia to help them with their nukes, probably

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52670857]China is actually getting pissed because They are no longer in control, in fact recently we Found out RUSSIA is, Because Kim asked The Russian Mafia to help them with their nukes, probably[/QUOTE] Russia has always been in charge. That's why NK uses the derivative of the Russian AK and not a derivative of the Chinese QBZ-95. Russia has been at least indirectly helping NK develop arms since before the Korean war. Not to downplay China's part in this disaster though, they've been guilty of just as much, just not so much on the nuclear front from what is known at this point.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52670857]China is actually getting pissed because They are no longer in control, in fact recently we Found out RUSSIA is, Because Kim asked The Russian Mafia to help them with their nukes, probably[/QUOTE] Whoa, really? In that case, that's another good point for someone to bring up at said conference. Probably behind closed doors, away from Russian delegates, in a well-searched room. If Russia has been dabbling in North Korea, that's simultaneously a reason to crack down, and a potential occupational hazard of the operation. On the one hand, having China crack down on North Korea would help put a stop to Russia's involvement in the region, but on the other hand it might anger the Russians. Yet on the THIRD hand, maybe Russia would want to disavow any involvement and not do much in response.

[QUOTE=ironman17;52670774]Let us pray that NK is foolish enough to bite the hand that tolerates them, or at the very least accidentally fire a missile North instead of East. Anything to get China to intervene. Hell, at this point having North Korea actually annexed and fully under Chinese control would probably be preferable to this eternal stalemate. Though if that were the case, it would probably set a worrying precedent for China's neoimperialistic behaviour, even if South Korea is a rather "Western" Asian country, which would mean that messing with SK means messing with the West. That would probably be something worth bringing up during the next international political conference. A lot of their wealth does come from the global market, after all, and it's not worth throwing that cash away for the sake of some backwards authoritarian nightmare of a splinter-state. ...speaking of which, if such a political/economical disaster DID happen, with economic sanctions prohibiting most business with China, how bad would it be for the world economy? Do you think more Western nations would have to manufacture at home, or would they just outsource it all to India?[/QUOTE] The west would be fine. A momentary dent would be our reception as companies shift their offshore slave manufacturing gigs to indonesia, central America, Mexico, India, et al. It'd be a rough few months for the West and economic suicide for China. [editline]11th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ironman17;52670924]Whoa, really? In that case, that's another good point for someone to bring up at said conference. Probably behind closed doors, away from Russian delegates, in a well-searched room. If Russia has been dabbling in North Korea, that's simultaneously a reason to crack down, and a potential occupational hazard of the operation. On the one hand, having China crack down on North Korea would help put a stop to Russia's involvement in the region, but on the other hand it might anger the Russians. Yet on the THIRD hand, maybe Russia would want to disavow any involvement and not do much in response.[/QUOTE] Fourth possibility: Both problems solve each other as Russia and China have a rather sizeable spat while we sell popcorn tubs to the rest of the world stage players.

That would be one hell of an "interesting" development: if China and Russia ended up fighting one-another while the rest of the world looked on, not wanting a piece of the action until after the dust has settled. Sadly, Mongolia would probably get caught in the crossfire if it escalated far enough, due to being sandwiched between China and Eastern Russia. Though due to various alliances and the like, I imagine a lot more countries would be dragged into the "Eastern Eurasian Conflict" than JUST Russia and China. Speaking of which, who are the main military allies of Russia and China respectively? Apparently both of them are constituents of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. Also, Russia is part of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (Russia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan). But beyond that, I can't find any other military allies of China outside the members of the aforementioned organisations.

What if instead of invading North Korea, the US/ROK/JAPAN obliterates with air and naval power their roads and infrastructure leading south (Also destroying anything that resembles military and logistic equipment) while countering at the DMZ or a little bit below any kind of military advance? Then dropping radios or leaflets in villages and transmitting the state of the roads and infrastructure in the country. Most of the population would flee northwards, putting a big huge strain on the Chinese while at the same time not allowing them to strike back like they did in the 50's as North Korea wasn't "invaded". If the Chinese refuse all the refugees, they would be getting shittons of negative PR and people from North Korea would resent them. If they allow them in, they are going to have a HUGE financial burden. USASOC guys, if you're reading this, I can send you my CV if you so desire. [QUOTE]...speaking of which, if such a political/economical disaster DID happen, with economic sanctions prohibiting most business with China, how bad would it be for the world economy? Do you think more Western nations would have to manufacture at home, or would they just outsource it all to India? [/QUOTE] China has been outsourcing industrial manufacturing to African countries...so there's that. And that's been going on for a long while now. It would be extremely bad, but it would put all those saved billions who are sitting in the US and Europe to good use.

[QUOTE=ironman17;52670948]That would be one hell of an "interesting" development: if China and Russia ended up fighting one-another while the rest of the world looked on, not wanting a piece of the action until after the dust has settled. Sadly, Mongolia would probably get caught in the crossfire if it escalated far enough, due to being sandwiched between China and Eastern Russia. Though due to various alliances and the like, I imagine a lot more countries would be dragged into the "Eastern Eurasian Conflict" than JUST Russia and China. Speaking of which, who are the main military allies of Russia and China respectively? Apparently both of them are constituents of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. Also, Russia is part of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (Russia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan). But beyond that, I can't find any other military allies of China outside the members of the aforementioned organisations.[/QUOTE] China and Russia are allies. They would never be pitted against each other over NK. They are both actively cultivating NK to be a war machine with varying degrees of success. Chances are, whatever Russia is doing with NK, China is in on it, and visa versa. [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52670979]What if instead of invading North Korea, the US/ROK/JAPAN obliterates with air and naval power their roads and infrastructure leading south (Also destroying anything that resembles military and logistic equipment) while countering at the DMZ or a little bit below any kind of military advance? Then dropping radios or leaflets in villages and transmitting the state of the roads and infrastructure in the country. [/QUOTE] If this were to happen, say good bye to Seoul. The very first thing NK would do upon recognizing imminent threat is shell Seoul into the stone age. Nobody would ever be able to target and neutralize all NK armaments before NK catches on to the game plan. Barring of course sabotage.

[QUOTE=ironman17;52670719]And the second we send troops into North Korea, is the second that China ups their game. Though honestly, we NEED to convince China to let it happen, make an accurate forecast pertaining to the mutual benefits of a United Korea. And at the same time, detail the severe consequences for BOTH sides if China doesn't stop treating North Korea as an asset and start treating it as what it actually is: a hostile liability that needs to be properly pacified via a joint military operation.[/QUOTE] china probably would invade themselves if NK ever attacked the south, if only to secure a buffer between them and the massive forces pushing north

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52670992]China and Russia are allies. They would never be pitted against each other over NK. They are both actively cultivating NK to be a war machine with varying degrees of success. Chances are, whatever Russia is doing with NK, China is in on it, and visa versa.[/QUOTE] History proves how China and Russia for the longest time have been on bad terms though, even if it was back when the Soviet Union existed. [editline]11th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;52670995]china probably would invade themselves if NK ever attacked the south, if only to secure a buffer between them and the massive forces pushing north[/QUOTE] That is what i think too, if the NK was to attack it would give China an excuse to invade and gain control of the area, after all they have been denouncing NK as well.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52670979]What if instead of invading North Korea, the US/ROK/JAPAN obliterates with air and naval power their roads and infrastructure leading south (Also destroying anything that resembles military and logistic equipment) while countering at the DMZ or a little bit below any kind of military advance? Then dropping radios or leaflets in villages and transmitting the state of the roads and infrastructure in the country. Most of the population would flee northwards, putting a big huge strain on the Chinese while at the same time not allowing them to strike back like they did in the 50's as North Korea wasn't "invaded". If the Chinese refuse all the refugees, they would be getting shittons of negative PR and people from North Korea would resent them. If they allow them in, they are going to have a HUGE financial burden. USASOC guys, if you're reading this, I can send you my CV if you so desire.[/QUOTE] While that's a nice concept, I feel like that kind of military intervention as an opener, WITHOUT China's initial cooperation, would have dire consequences. And that's just assuming that we manage to obliterate ALL the Nork artillery before they can fire a single shot at the South, which at this point is probably a little naive. No, I still think that convincing China to cooperate in a joint military operation is the best way to go about it. A United Korea would be nice some day, but if China can be enticed by having turning North Korea into its newest province, it would be a worthwhile bargain to just let them have it so the regime gets snuffed out and South Korea has a much more cooperative neighbour. Sure, China would probably end up doing the legwork in restoring such a fixer-upper, but with the strength of their industry it could probably be spinned into a lucrative job opportunity that actually does something, unlike those ghost cities they've been building in the desert.

[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;52671013]History proves how China and Russia for the longest time have been on bad terms though, even if it was back when the Soviet Union existed.[/QUOTE] Using the soviet union as an example of China-Russian relations isn't a great example. They have come a long way since the soviet era in terms of relations. In fact in 2013 the president of China paid a visit to Moscow to forge a better relationship. At this point it seems pretty clear that they know they need each other.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52671026]Using the soviet union as an example of China-Russian relations isn't a great example. They have come a long way since the soviet era in terms of relations. In fact in 2013 the president of China paid a visit to Moscow to forge a better relationship. At this point it seems pretty clear that they know they need each other.[/QUOTE] Yes i know, that was my point in fact. Russia is friends with China no doubt, but it seems more something out of need, more than honest relations between nations. We can see a similar trend with India too, of course.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52670979]What if instead of invading North Korea, the US/ROK/JAPAN obliterates with air and naval power their roads and infrastructure leading south (Also destroying anything that resembles military and logistic equipment) while countering at the DMZ or a little bit below any kind of military advance? Then dropping radios or leaflets in villages and transmitting the state of the roads and infrastructure in the country. Most of the population would flee northwards, putting a big huge strain on the Chinese while at the same time not allowing them to strike back like they did in the 50's as North Korea wasn't "invaded". If the Chinese refuse all the refugees, they would be getting shittons of negative PR and people from North Korea would resent them. If they allow them in, they are going to have a HUGE financial burden. USASOC guys, if you're reading this, I can send you my CV if you so desire. China has been outsourcing industrial manufacturing to African countries...so there's that. And that's been going on for a long while now. It would be extremely bad, but it would put all those saved billions who are sitting in the US and Europe to good use.[/QUOTE] Try a pmc like blackwater if you got the background

[QUOTE=ironman17;52671020]While that's a nice concept, I feel like that kind of military intervention as an opener, WITHOUT China's initial cooperation, would have dire consequences. And that's just assuming that we manage to obliterate ALL the Nork artillery before they can fire a single shot at the South, which at this point is probably a little naive. No, I still think that convincing China to cooperate in a joint military operation is the best way to go about it. A United Korea would be nice some day, but if China can be enticed by having turning North Korea into its newest province, it would be a worthwhile bargain to just let them have it so the regime gets snuffed out and South Korea has a much more cooperative neighbour. Sure, China would probably end up doing the legwork in restoring such a fixer-upper, but with the strength of their industry it could probably be spinned into a lucrative job opportunity that actually does something, unlike those ghost cities they've been building in the desert.[/QUOTE] Damn, are the north koreans on ready state 24/7 aiming at Seoul? I didn't think about the industrial opportunity for China. That's a nice one. It would make handling the refugees and civilians 1000x times easier as they wouldn't flee southwards and ROK wouldn't have to run dry of money.

[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;52671036]Yes i know, that was my point in fact. Russia is friends with China no doubt, but it seems more something out of need, more than honest relations between nations. We can see a similar trend with India too, of course.[/QUOTE] Yeah they've definitely got their own agenda, some parts of it may be even uncompromising, but at the end of the day they've got a baby to raise, that would be little kimmy.

[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;52671036]Yes i know, that was my point in fact. Russia is friends with China no doubt, but it seems more something out of need, more than honest relations between nations. We can see a similar trend with India too, of course.[/QUOTE] I assume it's because Russia has a shitload of oil and natural gas to sell, while China has a tremendous need for both.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52671063]I assume it's because Russia has a shitload of oil and natural gas to sell, while China has a tremendous need for both.[/QUOTE] And lots of money to spend!

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52671063]I assume it's because Russia has a shitload of oil and natural gas to sell, while China has a tremendous need for both.[/QUOTE] But on the flipside, China has been focusing more and more on green technology in recent years, which might be helping them wean off of Russian fossil fuels. So this relationship might not remain so tight in the future.

Imagine some bumass dude threatening to beat you up if you keep calling the police for his loud domestic abuse for decades but now this time he is pointing a loaded gun at you.

[QUOTE=ironman17;52671117]But on the flipside, China has been focusing more and more on green technology in recent years, which might be helping them wean off of Russian fossil fuels. So this relationship might not remain so tight in the future.[/QUOTE] Which is honestly why we should be pushing for renewables at least as hard as China is. Energy independence is another benefit on top of not having to wear a mask to go outside on a good day.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52671123]Imagine some bumass dude threatening to beat you up if you keep calling the police for his loud domestic abuse for decades but now this time he is pointing a loaded gun at you.[/QUOTE] but your gun is bigger.

[QUOTE=Leestons;52671134]but your gun is bigger.[/QUOTE] Doesnt matter if you got an assault rifle, an bullet from a little revolver can still easily kill/wound you. In this case, the bullet would hit hundreds of thousands of civilians in south korea/japan.

it's like they're trying to sound as evil as possible with "pain and suffering"