• Over 2.5 million people have signed up for ObamaCare since December 12th.
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[QUOTE] Nearly 2.5 million people have selected health insurance in 35 states using healthcare.gov, as of Dec. 12, federal officials said Tuesday. More than a million signed up on the federal exchange last week alone. The tally is expected to grow since traffic on the federal exchange was heavy in the three days before the Dec. 15 deadline for coverage to begin in January. More than 3 million people visited the site during that time and 1.6 million reached out to the call center. "This has been a strong start to the open enrollment period, but we very much feel that the next 60 days are critical," said Andy Slavitt, principal deputy administrator with the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, which is running the federal exchange. Open enrollment began Nov. 15 and runs through Feb. 15. The administration has said its goal for 2015 enrollment is in the 9-million person range. A report released Tuesday from Avalere Health, an advisory firm, estimates exchange enrollment will total 10.5 million people by the end of next year. [/QUOTE] [url]http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/16/news/economy/obamacare-coverage/index.html?iid=HP_LN[/url]
so did people hate obamacare because the site wasn't working or what? because suddenly all the hate for it im used to hearing from political ads and stuff like that is gone. did everyone just go "oh it's actually really sick" when the site fixed?
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;46730805]so did people hate obamacare because the site wasn't working or what? because suddenly all the hate for it im used to hearing from political ads and stuff like that is gone. did everyone just go "oh it's actually really sick" when the site fixed?[/QUOTE] No, everyone still hates it. It's just that there's nothing that can immediately be done about it due to the senate, so there's no point...
As of December 12th, not since December 12th. 2.5 million people in 4 days would be impressive. 2.5 million people in a month, not as much.
Good. The more people who are insured, the better. Healthcare is just as important as education. It's possibly even more important. Although a socialized system is the best option, as long as people are getting covered then that's better than nothing.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;46730805]so did people hate obamacare because the site wasn't working or what? because suddenly all the hate for it im used to hearing from political ads and stuff like that is gone. did everyone just go "oh it's actually really sick" when the site fixed?[/QUOTE] It essentially puts us back (or deeper) into health insurance companies' hands, from what I'm hearing. And the commonly-mentioned set of laws where business can/may/will drop you from a health insurance plan, making you look for a plan on the marketplace. Or it could be cheaper to buy a plan from the marketplace anyway. This is just all I've [i]heard[/i] so far as I look a bit more into it. [editline]e[/editline] I'm also shocked to see how people here went from "dood this is totally going to save us all yur an idiot for disagreeing with this" to a half-and-half opinions seeing prior ACA threads.
As I don't live in the United States I don't have much of an idea about the healthcare market over there; under Obamacare, what would be part of a basic coverage plan (eg would that plan pay for each time you visit your GP) and how much would a young, healthy adult expect to pay for such a plan on a per week basis?
Is ObamaCare better than Canadian healthcare?
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46730920]As I don't live in the United States I don't have much of an idea about the healthcare market over there; under Obamacare, what would be part of a basic coverage plan (eg would that plan pay for each time you visit your GP) and how much would a young, healthy adult expect to pay for such a plan on a per week basis?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't look up those statistics. They RAPE the young healthy people of their money to pay for those who can't afford it.
[QUOTE=Stonecycle;46730888]It essentially puts us back (or deeper) into health insurance companies' hands, from what I'm hearing. And the commonly-mentioned set of laws where business can/may/will drop you from a health insurance plan, making you look for a plan on the marketplace. Or it could be cheaper to buy a plan from the marketplace anyway. This is just all I've [i]heard[/i] so far as I look a bit more into it. [editline]e[/editline] I'm also shocked to see how people here went from "dood this is totally going to save us all yur an idiot for disagreeing with this" to a half-and-half opinions seeing prior ACA threads.[/QUOTE] there's the immediate knee-jerk reaction where buisnesses say "well screw it, i'm not going to cover you!" then there's the long term equilibrium where buisnesses decide seriously whether to have health coverage or not. the problem is the republicans are all concerned about the myopic trends and not focused on the larger trend because it contradicts what they've been saying. people did loose coverage, but more people are covered than lost coverage, and businesses are starting to understand they have to obey rules. somehow we have allowed ourselves to believe regulations are only good when businesses that are regulated by them agree to them, but with that mindset no workers rights issues would ever be settled correctly, and we'd still have discrimination, we still have businesses fighting to discriminate based on religion [editline]16th December 2014[/editline] also the ACA isn't just the obamacare coverage, it forces insurance companies to not spend billions and devote thousands of employees to denying coverage. before ACA, insurance companies were notorious for their deny-first attitude and they still are, but its gotten better, i want to live in a country where we can provide health care, and people are not rung out for every penny they have to pay for it, the republicans don't though
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46730966]I wouldn't look up those statistics. They RAPE the young healthy people of their money to pay for those who can't afford it.[/QUOTE] I'm just wondering about a comparison, because I pay like roughly $8 per week for Medicare here but in return I get huge discounts when I visit GPs (100%, less gap fees), specialists (85%, ditto) or receive prescription medicines.
What percent of these people already had insurance before Obamacare?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46730966]I wouldn't look up those statistics. They RAPE the young healthy people of their money to pay for those who can't afford it.[/QUOTE] I know people on Obama care who are in their mid 30s paying like $70 for premiums.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46730992]there's the immediate knee-jerk reaction where buisnesses say "well screw it, i'm not going to cover you!" then there's the long term equilibrium where buisnesses decide seriously whether to have health coverage or not. the problem is the republicans are all concerned about the myopic trends and not focused on the larger trend because it contradicts what they've been saying. people did loose coverage, but more people are covered than lost coverage, and businesses are starting to understand they have to obey rules. somehow we have allowed ourselves to believe regulations are only good when businesses that are regulated by them agree to them, but with that mindset no workers rights issues would ever be settled correctly, and we'd still have discrimination, we still have businesses fighting to discriminate based on religion [editline]16th December 2014[/editline] also the ACA isn't just the obamacare coverage, it forces insurance companies to not spend billions and devote thousands of employees to denying coverage. before ACA, insurance companies were notorious for their deny-first attitude and they still are, but its gotten better, i want to live in a country where we can provide health care, and people are not rung out for every penny they have to pay for it, the republicans don't though[/QUOTE] Funny you say that. How many people are you wringing every penny out of to pay for it who otherwise would choose to not have any insurance? [editline]16th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;46731066]I know people on Obama care who are in their mid 30s paying like $70 for premiums.[/QUOTE] And I know people who are in their mid 20s paying $200/month for shitty deductibles who never go to the doctor. What's your point?
What's the proper name for this type of insurance?
[QUOTE=credesniper;46731086]What's the proper name for this type of insurance?[/QUOTE] Crap... it's generally super high deductible insurance that would screw the poorer people getting those plans if they actually had a medical issue. It's just regular private insurance in a government run marketplace, often subsidised by the government.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46731018]I'm just wondering about a comparison, because I pay like roughly $8 per week for Medicare here but in return I get huge discounts when I visit GPs (100%, less gap fees), specialists (85%, ditto) or receive prescription medicines.[/QUOTE] Not even remotely the same, very very vaguely getting there but no-where near the same.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46731069]Funny you say that. How many people are you wringing every penny out of to pay for it who otherwise would choose to not have any insurance? [editline]16th December 2014[/editline] And I know people who are in their mid 20s paying $200/month for shitty deductibles who never go to the doctor. What's your point?[/QUOTE] My point is you're lambasting it to make it look way worst than it is. Premiums for people who don't have Obamacare wouldn't go up if the bill wasn't watered to the point where it doesn't work effectively. Now, I am not saying it's some godsend program, because honestly, it could be way better. However with an estimated 8 million people covered, is a damn good start.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;46731099]My point is you're lambasting it to make it look way worst than it is. Premiums for people who don't have Obamacare wouldn't go up if the bill wasn't watered to the point where it doesn't work effectively. Now, I am not saying it's some godsend program, because honestly, it could be way better. However with an estimated 8 million people covered, is a damn good start.[/QUOTE] You say 8 million covered is a good start, I ask how many are covered because they are required (forced) to have insurance? How many are just barely covered by the cheapest plan that will still send them into debt if something happens? The only thing this bill does is wring out the people who can't really afford it. Sure there are good aspects to it (like no denying pre-existing conditions), but the bad outweigh the good.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46731163]You say 8 million covered is a good start, I ask how many are covered because they are required (forced) to have insurance? How many are just barely covered by the cheapest plan that will still send them into debt if something happens? The only thing this bill does is wring out the people who can't really afford it. Sure there are good aspects to it (like no denying pre-existing conditions), but the bad outweigh the good.[/QUOTE] You say that as if they weren't covered with any plan, it still wouldn't happen? I could have no insurance, lose my leg, and be $110,000 in debt. If healthcare is such a problem for them in the first place, they should've sought out social welfare programs like medicaid.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46730920]As I don't live in the United States I don't have much of an idea about the healthcare market over there; under Obamacare, what would be part of a basic coverage plan (eg would that plan pay for each time you visit your GP) and how much would a young, healthy adult expect to pay for such a plan on a per week basis?[/QUOTE] The whole system basically exists so that young, healthy adults pay into a system they'll likely never use in order to subsidize the healthcare of the elderly, who are walking premium increases since they are likely to be injured doing normal tasks. It's another social security program, just that this one benefits a private enterprise. [editline]16th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Antdawg;46731018]I'm just wondering about a comparison, because I pay like roughly $8 per week for Medicare here but in return I get huge discounts when I visit GPs (100%, less gap fees), specialists (85%, ditto) or receive prescription medicines.[/QUOTE] I'm 28 years old and healthy, and for a basic plan that covers more than disasters, I'm looking at paying ~$130/month.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46730843]No, everyone still hates it. It's just that there's nothing that can immediately be done about it due to the senate, so there's no point...[/QUOTE] Didn't know that you speak for "everyone." Only a person ignorant of the law and political realities (ie. a Republican) could hate Obamacare. It doesn't do enough, and it has a few flaws, but overall it accomplishes what it is supposed to do.
[QUOTE=Stonecycle;46730888]It essentially puts us back (or deeper) into health insurance companies' hands, from what I'm hearing. And the commonly-mentioned set of laws where business can/may/will drop you from a health insurance plan, making you look for a plan on the marketplace. Or it could be cheaper to buy a plan from the marketplace anyway. This is just all I've [i]heard[/i] so far as I look a bit more into it. [editline]e[/editline] I'm also shocked to see how people here went from "dood this is totally going to save us all yur an idiot for disagreeing with this" to a half-and-half opinions seeing prior ACA threads.[/QUOTE] Actually, the ACA does a lot to ensure that companies can't abuse you, but like all laws there are some severe loopholes. The one you mentioned had to do with the fact that it is (or was, they may have changed it) only available to full-time employees, so employers would cut hours just enough to make their workers part time. The ACA isn't as bad as the media makes it out to be, as there are a lot of straight up lies and misinformation out there, but it isn't great by any means. It has problems that need to be fixed, to be sure.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;46731788]Didn't know that you speak for "everyone." Only a person ignorant of the law and political realities (ie. a Republican) could hate Obamacare. It doesn't do enough, and it has a few flaws, but overall it accomplishes what it is supposed to do.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/march-2013-tracking-poll/"]Kaiser poll from March 2013[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6gWHjC4.jpg[/IMG] The only thing that polls low is the mandate. A lot of the provisions are stunningly popular.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;46731788]Didn't know that you speak for "everyone." Only a person ignorant of the law and political realities (ie. a Republican) could hate Obamacare. It doesn't do enough, and it has a few flaws, but overall it accomplishes what it is supposed to do.[/QUOTE] The people that hated it before, STILL hate it. That has not changed.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;46730805]so did people hate obamacare because the site wasn't working or what? because suddenly all the hate for it im used to hearing from political ads and stuff like that is gone. did everyone just go "oh it's actually really sick" when the site fixed?[/QUOTE] No. Lots of people still hate it because it caused private insurance to become practically useless yet also more expensive. Also businesses dropping people's other benefits, cutting hours, moving them from full to part-time, or just flat-out getting rid of them to adjust for the additional cost.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46731069]Funny you say that. How many people are you wringing every penny out of to pay for it who otherwise would choose to not have any insurance?[/QUOTE] The only "proper" reasons to choose to go without insurance are a) you can't afford it or b) you're so loaded you don't need it. [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46731069]And I know people who are in their mid 20s paying $200/month for shitty deductibles who never go to the doctor. What's your point?[/QUOTE] The point of insurance is that it's there when you need it. To justify not being insured by saying "oh I never go to the doctor anyways" is idiotic.
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;46732108]The only "proper" reasons to choose to go without insurance are a) you can't afford it or b) you're so loaded you don't need it. The point of insurance is that it's there when you need it. To justify not being insured by saying "oh I never go to the doctor anyways" is idiotic.[/QUOTE] Or c) You don't want it. Health insurance is a product, and therefore should be completely optional to purchase. To force people to purchase it because their reasons aren't good enough for not having it is completely over the line.
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;46732108]The only "proper" reasons to choose to go without insurance are a) you can't afford it or b) you're so loaded you don't need it. The point of insurance is that it's there when you need it. To justify not being insured by saying "oh I never go to the doctor anyways" is idiotic.[/QUOTE] Riddle me this then: Why are some of the things that I need on my healthcare not covered by my provider? Why am I paying them to not cover all of the things that I need to have covered? For example, I pay $20 more a month to have dental care added onto my insurance. I just recently broke off part of a crown, and it's not covered by my dental insurance. It's a $700 repair that I'd have to pay out of pocket if I wanted it done. I'm paying for dental care. Why are my teeth not being covered? Another example: my mom went in to get her eyes checked. She pays for eyecare. The doctor brought her in, checked her eyes, and told her that she needed to up her prescription. She went back out, got a frame, went to the desk and was told that she would have to pay $150 out of pocket to get the glasses. She pays for eyecare. Why are here eyes not covered? Keep in mind that we both have BlueCross/BlueShield, which is considered to be one of the best healthcare services in the area. If you can tell me why I pay an insurance company to not help me out when I need help, go ahead, but until everyone gets covered for the things that ail them, [I]that they pay for[/I], I can't blame people for not wanting to have health insurance in this country. I don't want to pay for a service that has arbitrary things that it will not help me with, even though I am paying it to help me with those things.
I didn't necessarily want it, but when they switched to Obamacare my health insurance was moot so I had to switch to even worse insurance, the worst part was it took me about three months of trying to get the website to function and mailing forms back and forth. In that time I didn't get sick thankfully, but I did have quite a few dental problems that I was forced to wait on because I didn't have any insurance at the time, causing me to get two teeth pulled and paying a grand to get another 'fixed'. (When I say 'fixed' I mean the dentist performed a standard root canal and still managed to keep the infection it my tooth). I have no problems with health care reforms, and if it helps a lot of people that is great news, but they really should have put way more effort and time into the website and system in general as it did cause problems for me and many people I know. I still pay pretty much what I did before for less benefits, and dental insurance is beginning to seem like a rich dream the more I look into it, so I'd say this healthcare reform hasn't really done very much to make it more affordable at least from my situation. [quote=valkery]For example, I pay $20 more a month to have dental care added onto my insurance. I just recently broke off part of a crown, and it's not covered by my dental insurance. It's a $700 repair that I'd have to pay out of pocket if I wanted it done. I'm paying for dental care. Why are my teeth not being covered?[/quote] This is exactly what I'm referring to, I'm on a plan that is supposed to be mostly dental coverage and minor health coverage since I go to the dentist much more than I visit the doctor, but I honestly couldn't tell you what the insurance covers other than the cost of exams and cleaning. If you don't want to pay exorbinate amounts of money to fix your teeth you have to spend exorbinate amounts of money on a dental plan that covers crowns, root canals, and anything else, it honestly makes me sick how expensive dental work is in this country. (Not saying it isn't expensive elsewhere I just have no experience with dental insurance in any other country).
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