USS Mesa Verde positions itself in the Arabian Gulf - Polidicks

[quote]Hundreds of Eastern Carolina Marines are headed to the Arabian Gulf, as the violence continues to build in Iraq. The Pentagon says the USS Mesa Verde, with 550 Marines aboard, has been ordered to the area. The ship is part of the 22nd MEU which left Camp Lejeune in February. Also aboard the Mesa Verde are Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft from New River. They could help evacuate Americans from Iraq if necessary.[/quote] sauce; [url]http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/Camp-Lejeune-Marines-Heading-To-Arabian-Gulf-263277461.html?device=phone[/url]

Please no boots on the ground, we made their country worse when we invaded, and we made it even worse when we left prematurely. Either go all in or stay the fuck out.

Send us in. Even just a small force. Letting ISIS take over Iraq would be spitting in the faces of those men and women who gave their lives over there. Especially when we're fully capable of intervening.

[QUOTE=counterpo0;45127536]Please no boots on the ground, we made their country worse when we invaded, and we made it even worse when we left prematurely. Either go all in or stay the fuck out.[/QUOTE] You can't really leave a terrorist group as audacious as ISIS unchecked.

Even though the Iraq War wasn't really all that favored, this is the case where stepping in and putting our boots into the ISIS's collective asses might actually give us a great deal of favor in the region. Be it with the Iranians, Syrians, Iraqis, and Kurds. If we have to get the war drums rolling, just play some clips from the videos that the ISIS has put on the internet on several news channels, and watch as every bit of fire returns to world's eyes.

If nothing else, we are supposed to consider Iraq an ally. The ally has effectively been invaded/is engaged in civil war with an extremely dangerous faction. While we aren't obligated to assist simply because we are on friendly terms, I still feel like it is a shit thing to do to just leave them high and dry.

If they were interested in assisting Iraq they'd be working towards getting Maliki out of power as well. His confrontational approach really exacerbated sectarian tensions in Iraq to the point that ISIS became a viable force, which is saying something. No use propping up an idiot who will go and fuck everything up again and again

[QUOTE=janky;45127574]Send us in. Even just a small force. Letting ISIS take over Iraq would be spitting in the faces of those men and women who gave their lives over there. Especially when we're fully capable of intervening.[/QUOTE] Can we deprive them of their impromptu equipment that we left? I.e. Only stick with air strikes with minimal infantry. I'm all for trying to maintain peace, support those who serve, killing these sick fucks, etc. But isn't there a moment (especially since alot of this is a religious civil war), where enough is enough and we can stop sending men over to almost their graves?

People are forgetting about the dangers, that ISIS will not stop. Oh, you think they'll fucking stop If Iraq falls into their hands? They'll want more. That's the dangerous part.

U.S Army's drones, stealth bombers and satellite ion cannon orbital strikes alone could solve the problem?

We're deploying nearly 300 special forces troops, and of course there's an aircraft carrier ready to go. Just one of our Aircraft Carriers has a more powerful air force onboard than 70% of the world's countries. We have 10 It's about to really suck being a member of the ISIS On a plus side in an ironic twist of fate, it may bring US-Iran relations to an all time high, giving us some common ground to work from

Hehe, it's almost hat eating time!

[QUOTE=draugur;45129652]Hehe, it's almost hat eating time![/QUOTE] Was the toxx clause the US going into Iraq again or assisting Iran, I cannot remember. Looking forward to it either way though!

[QUOTE=TheTalon;45129146]We're deploying nearly 300 special forces troops, and of course there's an aircraft carrier ready to go. Just one of our Aircraft Carriers has a more powerful air force onboard than 70% of the world's countries. We have 10 It's about to really suck being a member of the ISIS On a plus side in an ironic twist of fate, it may bring US-Iran relations to an all time high, giving us some common ground to work from[/QUOTE] Pfft. We have 14 super carriers and a few new models in production.

[QUOTE=Jsm;45133611]Was the toxx clause the US going into Iraq again or assisting Iran, I cannot remember. Looking forward to it either way though![/QUOTE] I wonder if he will make a bacon hat or a nacho hat

[QUOTE=Jsm;45133611]Was the toxx clause the US going into Iraq again or assisting Iran, I cannot remember. Looking forward to it either way though![/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uFEdUBE.png[/IMG] Essentially, if the U.S. does any military intervention in Iraq with Iran being on the same side, he has to eat his hat. That's how I interpret it anyway.

[QUOTE=GunFox;45128059]If nothing else, we are supposed to consider Iraq an ally. The ally has effectively been invaded/is engaged in civil war with an extremely dangerous faction. While we aren't obligated to assist simply because we are on friendly terms, I still feel like it is a shit thing to do to just leave them high and dry.[/QUOTE] I feel like I might be alone here, but I dont think its worth putting boots on the ground and spilling more American blood, especially after the last invasion of Iraq. Drone strikes and air support? By all means. But we should keep it on the same level that we did in Libya. The Iraqi people seem more than willing to fight for themselves on the ground, what with all these militias popping up in support of the army.

Air support with Iran doing most of the footwork sounds good to me, but then you run into the risk of Iran getting to put up a dummy regime. SF on the ground is fine, but please not another 2003 invasion.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;45136107]I feel like I might be alone here, but I dont think its worth putting boots on the ground and spilling more American blood, especially after the last invasion of Iraq. Drone strikes and air support? By all means. But we should keep it on the same level that we did in Libya. The Iraqi people seem more than willing to fight for themselves on the ground, what with all these militias popping up in support of the army.[/QUOTE] Invasions are one thing, but utilizing soldiers to defend allies is fine with me. Obviously the situation is somewhat more complicated given that they are effectively the product of our own invasion in the first place, but they are, in theory, autonomous now, simply relatively weak. If we don't defend weak allies from threats, then lets just fire the military. The guard are more than capable of defeating any nation on the planet if they were to invade (geographically and logistically a complicated endeavor) so if we don't use our professional military for defense of allies, then they are literally either worthless or purely a tool of imperialism. (As opposed to [I]mostly[/I] a tool of imperialism.)

[QUOTE=janky;45127574]Send us in. Even just a small force. Letting ISIS take over Iraq would be spitting in the faces of those men and women who gave their lives over there. Especially when we're fully capable of intervening.[/QUOTE] Even worse, you think the ISIS would just ignore the USA? We kind of helped jumpstart the mess by removing Saddam (who was admittedly also abysmal), so i would easily expect terror attacks from the ISIS if we ever let them.