• I want your opinion: on what you think about no child left behind.
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I hate it. It seems that very few kids in my age group know what they need to know for classes, ex: "Who was Hitler?" "He was a guy who killed a lot of Jews." "What is a square root?" "Idk." "Who was Shakespeare?" "A famous british guy." "What is homeostasis?" "A disease gay people get?" Whisky Tango Foxtrot, man. Those are real answers I've heard last week. I can't learn shit in my classes because people don't even know their fucking fractions. And teachers have to accommodate for the idiots who refuse to do anything in their classes.The economy's going to be fucked when these kids start trying to get jobs.
made most of the truly smart kids not do so well in school. and tittles650 is coolest person on the interwebs
Everyone needs strong discipline, and hard fucking work.
I thought it's been well established no child left behind was bullshit.
it's retarded. kids who don't belong in advanced classes get shoved in there because otherwise they'd be "left behind." there are kids in my calculus class this year who should be talking trigonometry courses and such. not trying to sound elitist but some kids simply don't have the capacity to follow that track, but its the only track available in many cases. (note: the calculus class is not really an "advanced" one, it's the only mathematics my high school offers for seniors. that or statistics.)
They aren't idiots, it's just that they don't really care about doing work.
I understood everything, but I couldn't stay focused to do the work. So I had average to slightly above average intelligence, but shit grades. I'd help a few other kids with answers to their work, while not even attempting to complete my own. I know I wouldn't have gone anywhere had I have been left behind. I still to this day have to tell people shit they should have known 8 years ago... sigh. EDIT: I went off of the name assuming what it was. I live in Canada, so I don't really know what it means. I might have got it confused with something else...
Just throwing this out there but the No Child Left Behind act was signed in my High School.
I would consider myself an highly gifted student, I have proof of it, that I may or may not make a thread on. NCLB is the biggest piece of shite to ever touch public school systems.
Also, my math teachers would all offer retake tests, and require students who failed to do homework to come in at lunch. Basically district's cater to the stupids, and fail to challenge the smarts.
I think it's pretty dumb. I have absolutely no motivation to do my work because I've literally been learning the same thing for like 5 years straight and I'm getting annoyed. Especially in science class; ever since 5th grade I've learned these things and these things only: earthquakes, volcanoes, gravity, and the states of matter. I'm not exaggerating, I've yet to learn something new in science since elementary school. The worst part is that the majority of the class still doesn't fucking understand it.
It's a complete utter shitstain on the US' schooling system. With all of the schools competing for federal funding, they teach nothing but the tests. As expected, with the focus of courses being shifted unto scoring high on these silly exams, they learn little of what they are there to learn. Which further drives down school's scores, and results in funding cuts, ergo, the schools do worse. It gets worse when you notice what can be considered effectively a punishment for performing better in your classes. They'll purposely shove a highly performing student into classes that are way below a students level, and as mentioned before, stick poorly performing students in higher classes. All in the name of "not leaving anyone behind". It's all complete bullshit that should have been stopped by the supreme court, before it even hit the floor.
Complete and utter bullshit. Not to mention unconstitutional.
[QUOTE=Anax;32158224]I think it's pretty dumb. I have absolutely no motivation to do my work because I've literally been learning the same thing for like 5 years straight and I'm getting annoyed. Especially in science class; ever since 5th grade I've learned these things and these things only: earthquakes, volcanoes, gravity, and the states of matter. I'm not exaggerating, I've yet to learn something new in science since elementary school. The worst part is that the majority of the class still doesn't fucking understand it.[/QUOTE] This shit right here, my biology class was a fucking JOKE
Let me go even further; in PE this last year, because my teacher was awesome, he let me see the grade sheet. Over 50% of my PE class were failing PE, a class where if you wear your PE clothes and come on time, you get a D. I'll let that speak for itself.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act#Provisions_of_the_act[/url] I read this and this act doesn't seem bad at all, seems pretty great. Someone provide me with more data.
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32158306][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act#Provisions_of_the_act[/url] I read this and this act doesn't seem bad at all, seems pretty great. Someone provide me with more data.[/QUOTE]Teaching to the test. Some states actually LOWERED standards to meet requirements. And no motivation for accelerating students.
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32158306][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act#Provisions_of_the_act[/url] I read this and this act doesn't seem bad at all, seems pretty great. Someone provide me with more data.[/QUOTE] Basically, instead of trying to compete with high quality schooling in foreign nations, we are now catering to the lowest common denominator, who don't care about school anyways, so average kids and gifted kids get left behind and lose focus.
Oh, I see your point. Well, honestly, I don't think the problem's in the law, it's in the schools. [editline]7th September 2011[/editline] But wait, how does that come to be, crypto?
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32158306][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act#Provisions_of_the_act[/url] I read this and this act doesn't seem bad at all, seems pretty great. Someone provide me with more data.[/QUOTE] Basically it requires that all students must reach a certain level of education, and as such, the general quality of education has declined dramatically. No longer challenging those who are intelligent and yet still failing to provide adequet teaching for those who are having trouble, instead opting to teach only what is required to pass standardized testing.
Well, then the problem isn't in the law as well, it's in the test, it should cover all of the material that's in the year's program.
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32158343]Oh, I see your point. Well, honestly, I don't think the problem's in the law, it's in the schools. [editline]7th September 2011[/editline] But wait, how does that come to be, crypto?[/QUOTE] Because NCLB doesn't say anything about average/gifted kids, so more teaching effort/money is spent on idiots that don't care, compared to kids that want to go to school and learn.
Well... It does, but the curriculum is dumbed down and practically useless for its grade level. For example: United States schools no longer teach grammar past the second grade. Most students are only in precalculus by the time they graduate and modern, non-magnet/non-AP science classes are a joke.
I got so fed up with public school, that hopefully I will skip all of high school. and yes, other kids skip with you so you aren't alone in college
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;32158433]I got so fed up with public school, that hopefully I will skip all of high school. and yes, other kids skip with you so you aren't alone in college[/QUOTE] "Will skip all of high-school" not only is that a terrible idea unless you are able to get into a good college/university off the bat, but 'will'? You're not even in high school yet?
No child left behind is the biggest joke ever. If these scumbag kids that don't give a shit about their education want to drop out, fucking let them, don't let them hold back my education by dicking around in class and wasting time.
Trust me, its a good idea, I might make a thread like the janitor thread about it when I see if I get in the program.
Standardized testing is also the dumbest shit I've ever seen as well.
And don't even get me started on the just plain decline of education in the US. Most schools offer only 1/5th of the world languages taught in 1997.
Also Mountain, this. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act#Effects_on_gifted.2C_talented.2C_and_high-performing_students[/url] [QUOTE]Some local schools are only funding instruction for core subjects or for remedial special education.[citation needed] NCLB puts pressure on schools to guarantee that nearly all students will meet the minimum skill levels (set by each state) in reading, writing, and arithmetic, but requires nothing beyond these minimums. There are no incentives to improve students' achievements beyond the bare minimum. Programs that are not essential to achieving the mandated minimum skills are neglected or canceled by those districts.[/QUOTE]
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