Rocket Launcher found and many other weapons found after French police raids - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Searches in Lille, Strasbourg, Lyon, Grenoble, Marseille and Toulouse resulted in the rocket launcher, flak jackets, 15 hand guns and eight other "weapons of war" being seized, according to Le Figaro. Mr Cazaneuve said that a total of 31 weapons had been seized so far, with 104 suspected jihadists under house arrest and 23 people taken into custody overnight. Among the items recovered in raids in the Rhone region were police armbands, police clothing and several weapons. Mr Cazeneuve said: "This is just the beginning... The response of the Republic will be total... The terrorists will never destroy the Republic, because it is the Republic that will destroy them. " Other areas where police are understood to have carried out raids are Jeumont and the Parisian communes of Bobigny and Saint-Denis.[/QUOTE] [url]http://news.sky.com/story/1588358/rocket-launcher-found-in-french-police-raids[/url] Look, I know there had been several threads about the recent attacks, but I want to make it clear that they found A FUCKING RPG IN A RAID. How the hell is it possible that they are able to get a RPG? Stolen from a arms depot? or smuggled?

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;49139614][url]http://news.sky.com/story/1588358/rocket-launcher-found-in-french-police-raids[/url] Look, I know there had been several threads about the recent attacks, but I want to make it clear that they found A FUCKING RPG IN A RAID. How the hell is it possible that they are able to get a RPG? Stolen from a arms depot? or smuggled?[/QUOTE] A lot of criminal groups, such as biker gangs, have access to rocket launchers.

[QUOTE=Fort83;49139621]The fact that they found police clothing is terrifying.[/QUOTE] not to mention the pistols; the correct sidearm and outfit could get an assassin close enough to a lot of people. god knows what they were planning.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;49139640]not to mention the pistols; the correct sidearm and outfit could get an assassin close enough to a lot of people. god knows what they were planning.[/QUOTE] Well Hollande was at the Stadium..., could they think in terms of an assassination of this kind of scale? That would be fucked beyond words

The real question is why were they saving the RPG? Who just leaves an RPG around and doesn't plan to use it?

[QUOTE=Megadave;49139658]The real question is why were they saving the RPG? Who just leaves an RPG around and doesn't plan to use it?[/QUOTE] Another attack?

[QUOTE=Megadave;49139658]The real question is why were they saving the RPG? Who just leaves an RPG around and doesn't plan to use it?[/QUOTE] They probably didn't count on getting caught, and were saving it for later.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;49139614][url]http://news.sky.com/story/1588358/rocket-launcher-found-in-french-police-raids[/url] Look, I know there had been several threads about the recent attacks, but I want to make it clear that they found A FUCKING RPG IN A RAID. How the hell is it possible that they are able to get a RPG? Stolen from a arms depot? or smuggled?[/QUOTE] They aren't nearly as hard to come by as you might think, especially if it was smuggled in from the Middle East, where loads of them were left over from the Soviet occupation/seized from Syrian military strongholds, etc. I could buy one right now in the US - though the rockets themselves are illegal to own. If the launchers themselves weren't so expensive I'd totally buy one with the rifled 7.62 training "rocket" just for laughs.

This is just insane.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;49139614][url]http://news.sky.com/story/1588358/rocket-launcher-found-in-french-police-raids[/url] Look, I know there had been several threads about the recent attacks, but I want to make it clear that they found A FUCKING RPG IN A RAID. How the hell is it possible that they are able to get a RPG? Stolen from a arms depot? or smuggled?[/QUOTE] Hell half the shit in the middle East probably came out of Eastern block armories

Since they caught some of the people and will have no doubt captured the technology used to communicate (maybe ssh keys, chat logs, messages etc) hopefully that might give clues to what they planned. I doubt it will link to other terror cells but if we know what they planned in France we'll know what to expect in Europe and the US and how to strengthen the weaknesses they've identified.

All these suspected terrorists that had these weapons should have their citizenship revoked and booted out of the country. Bye bye see you later scum bags :) just my opinion. Also the US government should be raiding anyone they have enough Intel on if they can. Wait for all the rights activist to bash me for this one lol. Somehow I feel the US doesn't do enough visiting of suspected terrorists cells. After these attacks in Paris I feel like the government should be able to do as they please because I just want to be safe :) but then again I don't really care because I've got nothing they're interested in lol. Just keep us safe and sound. It's about time we have those national ID cards I've heard about too so we know who's who and its harder to forge documents like passports and stuff. It would be cool if we had national ID cards with those chips like the military does to simplify national security. I'm pretty sure those chips are encrypted too :D

May be a controversial topic, but I think using less than humane methods to get information out of these suspected jihadists (at least the ones that are obviously terrorists, anyone who "could" be a terrorist shouldn't be put under this kind of treatment) is acceptable, seeing as one terrorist's information could potentially prevent hundreds of innocent lives from being killed.

[QUOTE=loopoo;49139910]May be a controversial topic, but I think using less than humane methods to get information out of these suspected jihadists (at least the ones that are obviously terrorists, anyone who "could" be a terrorist shouldn't be put under this kind of treatment) is acceptable, seeing as one terrorist's information could potentially prevent hundreds of innocent lives from being killed.[/QUOTE] torture isn't exactly the most reliable method of getting info, this is a myth, at least by itself.

[QUOTE=apierce1289;49139902]All these suspected terrorists that had these weapons should have their citizenship revoked and booted out of the country. Bye bye see you later scum bags :) just my opinion. Also the US government should be raiding anyone they have enough Intel on if they can. Wait for all the rights activist to bash me for this one lol. Somehow I feel the US doesn't do enough visiting of suspected terrorists cells. After these attacks in Paris I feel like the government should be able to do as they please because I just want to be safe :) but then again I don't really care because I've got nothing they're interested in lol. Just keep us safe and sound. It's about time we have those national ID cards I've heard about too so we know who's who and its harder to forge documents like passports and stuff. It would be cool if we had national ID cards with those chips like the military does to simplify national security. I'm pretty sure those chips are encrypted too :D[/QUOTE] Congratulations, you've just sent a terrorist back home rather than detaining them. Now they can return at a later date and do as they please. Pin and chip cards are easily cracked and forged, stolen or simply sold. Not to mention your inane suggestion on raiding "suspected" terrorists and thereby destroying hundreds of thousands of hours of manpower already put into investigations on those individuals. May I suggest you think about the consequences of an action before suggesting them? [QUOTE=loopoo;49139910]May be a controversial topic, but I think using less than humane methods to get information out of these suspected jihadists (at least the ones that are obviously terrorists, anyone who "could" be a terrorist shouldn't be put under this kind of treatment) is acceptable, seeing as one terrorist's information could potentially prevent hundreds of innocent lives from being killed.[/QUOTE] Did you miss the backlash after Guantanimo Bay? Surely when you end up in such a faclity by mistake, happenstance, or bad luck and end up being tortured to the point of providing a false confession, you'll rethink your stance. Torture does not provide reliable information, ever. All it does is force the subject to say whatever the interrogator wants, nothing more.

[QUOTE=loopoo;49139910]May be a controversial topic, but I think using less than humane methods to get information out of these suspected jihadists (at least the ones that are obviously terrorists, anyone who "could" be a terrorist shouldn't be put under this kind of treatment) is acceptable, seeing as one terrorist's information could potentially prevent hundreds of innocent lives from being killed.[/QUOTE] Well, given that torture doesn't actually work, lets not.

[QUOTE=Fort83;49139947]Why let them go? So they could cause death and destruction somewhere else?[/QUOTE] Well if they can be prosecuted then prosecute them but if they're not even legal citizens of the country why let them stay? Idk just do something with the bastard's. [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Worldwaker;49139963]Congratulations, you've just sent a terrorist back home rather than detaining them. Now they can return at a later date and do as they please. Pin and chip cards are easily cracked and forged, stolen or simply sold. Not to mention your inane suggestion on raiding "suspected" terrorists and thereby destroying hundreds of thousands of hours of manpower already put into investigations on those individuals. May I suggest you think about the consequences of an action before suggesting them?[/QUOTE] Just do something to stop this bullshit. Idk just my thoughts more action needs to be taken.

[QUOTE=apierce1289;49139968]Well if they can be prosecuted then prosecute them but if they're not even legal citizens of the country why let them stay? Idk just do something with the bastard's.[/QUOTE] They.. Are. Did you miss the bit where they were arrested after a massive raid? [QUOTE=apierce1289;49139968] Just do something to stop this bullshit. Idk just my thoughts more caution needs to be taken and more action.[/QUOTE] Are you unaware of the hundreds of thousands of ongoing investigations going on [I]globally[/I] ? Russia and France are now fighting side by side, the US is increasing it's military forces, and the entire planet is united. Kneejerk reactions based upon hatred do one single thing: They give groups like ISIL more recruits and cause more death.

[QUOTE=loopoo;49139910]May be a controversial topic, but I think using less than humane methods to get information out of these suspected jihadists (at least the ones that are obviously terrorists, anyone who "could" be a terrorist shouldn't be put under this kind of treatment) is acceptable, seeing as one terrorist's information could potentially prevent hundreds of innocent lives from being killed.[/QUOTE] People have been known to make up information to stop being tortured, and will venture misleading information even if not to prevent harming their cause. You may get something out of them, or you may not. And it'll also just reinforce the propaganda IS put out about the nations they're targeting. And if they know nothing in the first place, they can't tell you anything, or worse, tell you what you think you want to know in order to escape from the torture.

We need more levels of security for national security. We need multiple security levels like biometrics and such.

[QUOTE=Worldwaker;49139985]They.. Are. Did you miss the bit where they were arrested after a massive raid? Are you unaware of the hundreds of thousands of ongoing investigations going on [I]globally[/I] ? Russia and France are now fighting side by side, the US is increasing it's military forces, and the entire planet is united. Kneejerk reactions based upon hatred do one single thing: They give groups like ISIL more recruits and cause more death.[/QUOTE] There is really nothing like a common enemy to unite the super powers. All they have to be is heinous enough to make all of the leader want to decimate them. gj isis you managed to make closer allies of all the super powers. Pretty sure thats not what they wanted.

[QUOTE=apierce1289;49140104]We need more levels of security for national security. We need multiple security levels like biometrics and such.[/QUOTE] ..Are you delusional, perchance? The US has stringent policies regarding immigration, including bio-metrics. Under 200 refugees were permitted into the country last year and turning the US into a fascist police state wont do anything. The sole way to stop extremism is to interface culture on a global scale and beat down hatred, rather than isolating individuals and treating an entire subset of the population like they're demons. [QUOTE=DiBBs27;49140177]There is really nothing like a common enemy to unite the super powers. All they have to be is heinous enough to make all of the leader want to decimate them. gj isis you managed to make closer allies of all the super powers. Pretty sure thats not what they wanted.[/QUOTE] The moment that ISIL managed to get the US and Iran of all countries into diplomatic talks was the point where a lot of people realized that they dun fucked up on a scale that hasn't been seen before.

[QUOTE=loopoo;49139910]May be a controversial topic, but I think using less than humane methods to get information out of these suspected jihadists (at least the ones that are obviously terrorists, anyone who "could" be a terrorist shouldn't be put under this kind of treatment) is acceptable, seeing as one terrorist's information could potentially prevent hundreds of innocent lives from being killed.[/QUOTE] Torture doesn't work. It's just for the satisfaction of the torturer. It's just a waste of time, effort, and money. It's much more effective to just negotiate the information out of them. Unfortunately I can't find the video of the CIA guy speaking about how he would negotiate, you as a viewer could tell how persuasive he is

From the sounds of the equipment they are finding, I'm guessing politician assassinations was on the bucketlist. The thing is though is that they were more then likely planning on the assassination once they were sure enough operatives were on the ground. Once you drop a politician or a group of people, you end up with a situation like what's happening right now. All cards are out in the open, and the government goes after you. I'm not sure if the plan was just to do a mass shooting, but the chances of any operation like a political assassination working after the 13th, is pretty much off the board for a few more months, hell maybe a year or two. They lost their chances and now they are reaping the rewards of having several bases of operation being raided and their equipment being taken. [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Teddybeer;49139726]They probably encountered a few illegal arms dealers in these searches.[/QUOTE] Call me morbid, but I'd like to know what kind of firearms the "weapons of war" were. If some of them turn up to be those machine pistols out of Croatia, then some of those arrested were probably just arms dealers, otherwise the firearms were brought back from Syria and Libya.

[QUOTE=Worldwaker;49140178]..Are you delusional, perchance? The US has stringent policies regarding immigration, including bio-metrics. Under 200 refugees were permitted into the country last year and turning the US into a fascist police state wont do anything. The sole way to stop extremism is to interface culture on a global scale and beat down hatred, rather than isolating individuals and treating an entire subset of the population like they're demons. The moment that ISIL managed to get the US and Iran of all countries into diplomatic talks was the point where a lot of people realized that they dun fucked up on a scale that hasn't been seen before.[/QUOTE] I've never had a passport in the USA so as far as I know they just take your picture. Do they even fingerprint when you get a passport? And when you go in and out of the country do they verify said fingerprint that goes with the passport every time?

Imo they should not be publishing this information. now people are going to freak out over the fact that ISIS was able to smuggle in a [I]rocket launcher[/I], despite being stopped before they were able to even use it. It's unnecessarily worrying people that are unable to do anything about it, since the police have already handled it.

Remember that RPGs aren't really mass damage weapons. They're shaped charges, not HE filled explosives. They don't so much explode as shoot a stream of molten metal behind whatever they hit. So while it's pretty crazy that they found some; RPGs are actually probably less dangerous than a simple pipe bomb to the civilian population.

[QUOTE=Renegade Master;49140730]Imo they should not be publishing this information. now people are going to freak out over the fact that ISIS was able to smuggle in a [I]rocket launcher[/I], despite being stopped before they were able to even use it. It's unnecessarily worrying people that are unable to do anything about it, since the police have already handled it.[/QUOTE] its been known for some time you can buy virtually anything on the eastern european black market, wired did a thing a while ago about the arms dealers that managed to sell the detonator for a nuclear warhead

[QUOTE=Renegade Master;49140730]Imo they should not be publishing this information. now people are going to freak out over the fact that ISIS was able to smuggle in a [I]rocket launcher[/I], despite being stopped before they were able to even use it. It's unnecessarily worrying people that are unable to do anything about it, since the police have already handled it.[/QUOTE] Uh, I much rather be told facts then being unnecessarily scared by Fox news over the hidden dangers of sexting.

[QUOTE=apierce1289;49140646]I've never had a passport in the USA so as far as I know they just take your picture. Do they even fingerprint when you get a passport? And when you go in and out of the country do they verify said fingerprint that goes with the passport every time?[/QUOTE] The current use of RFID chips within passports enables such, but it can be bypassed. It's all a matter of effort, and the effort to actually bypass such security measures puts you into the level of requiring a country's security service to even try at. ISIL has no such means to circumvent said security measures without aid from a rogue government agency. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_passport#Biometric_passport[/url] [quote=Wikipedia] The chip of a U.S. passport stores an image of the photograph of the passport holder, passport data, and personal data of the passport holder; and has capacity to store additional data.[27] The capacity of the Radio-frequency identification (RFID) chip is 64 kilobytes, which is large enough to store biometric identifiers, such as fingerprints and iris scans, in addition to an image of a photograph, passport data and personal data. Data in a passport chip is scannable by readers, a capability which is intended to speed up immigration processing. A passport does not have to be plugged into a reader in order for data therein to be read. Like toll-road chips, data in passport chips can be read when passport chips are proximate to readers. The passport cover contains a radio-frequency shield, so the cover must be opened for the data to be read.[/quote]