• Obama administration concerned about Gaza incident
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[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/31/AR2010053101146.html[/URL] [quote=Associated Press] WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration voiced concern Monday concern about an Israeli commando attack on ships carrying pro-Palestinian activists on a mission to bring aid to the blockaded Gaza Strip. White House spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement that the United States "deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained" in the incident. Burton also said that administration officials are "currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy." The United States, among others, has been trying to restart direct peace talks between the Israelis and Palestinians, but progress toward this achievement has lagged severely in recent months. At least 10 people were killed and dozens wounded in the incident Monday. President Barack Obama, who has been pushing for a reinvigoration of the peace process, is due to meet at the White House this week with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Obama also has scheduled a meeting here June 9 with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. In a statement last week, the White House said that Obama and Abbas planned to discuss the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian proximity talks and ways the U.S. can work with both parties to move into direct talks. They also will discuss U.S. efforts to support the establishment of a Palestinian state. [/quote]
Peace talks, fuck sake. [editline]01:39PM[/editline] They should be condemning someone! I need someone to blame or my anger will be directed towards the next poster.
Did we really need another thread for this? Oh well. Abbas isn't in control of the Gaza strip so hopefuly he's just concerned with the settlers and the wall. Still don't see why Netanyahu is being such a baby about meeting face to face.
"OK maybe er I think that might have been a bit you've been a very naughty Israel" Fucking Chamberlain
If even america get upset israel really fucked up big time.
Israel needs a punch to the nose.
Only thing that Israel is most likely going to get is a slap on the wrist from Obama and the rest of the world community. Maybe Turkey will do something other than that but that's what it seems likely is going to happen.
The world's become so complex you just can't jump into things anymore. I doubt there will be another world war for many, many decades.
I think the Israeli commandos acted without judgement too quickly. Even the Israeli Prime Minister is concerned over the attack. However, I don't think it was meant entirely for malicious purposes, they just got carried away. [editline]10:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CheeseMan;22280468]The world's become so complex you just can't jump into things anymore. I doubt there will be another world war for many, many decades.[/QUOTE] Because a World War is something everyone should want.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;22293778]I think the Israeli commandos acted without judgement too quickly. Even the Israeli Prime Minister is concerned over the attack. However, I don't think it was meant entirely for malicious purposes, they just got carried away. [editline]10:20PM[/editline] Because a World War is something everyone should want.[/QUOTE] This is probably the most sensible thing I've ever heard out of you.
[QUOTE]Obama and Abbas planned to discuss the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian proximity talks and ways the U.S. can work with both parties to move into direct talks. They also will discuss U.S. efforts to support the establishment of a Palestinian state.[/QUOTE] America, please stop putting your dick into things.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22294294]America, please stop putting your dick into things.[/QUOTE] Yeah okay then we'll stop funding their military and providing them with advanced weapon plans. I think it is our right to put our dick into things in this situation. [editline]02:59AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22293806]This is probably the most sensible thing I've ever heard out of you.[/QUOTE] Man I don't know what to believe any more.
[QUOTE=Jund;22294351]Yeah okay then we'll stop funding their military and providing them with advanced weapon plans. [/QUOTE] You make it sound like that's a [I]bad[/I] thing.
[QUOTE=Faunz;22278210]Peace talks, fuck sake. [editline]01:39PM[/editline] They should be condemning someone! I need someone to blame or my anger will be directed towards the next poster.[/QUOTE] Politically speaking it would be bordering on treason to cut ties with Israel for the US government. It has no benefits. Only drawbacks from a political, military, and economic standpoint.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22294430]You make it sound like that's a [I]bad[/I] thing.[/QUOTE] Yeah and let's watch Israel get crushed by all the surrounding neighbors it has pissed off, and let's let [i]more[/i] innocent civilians die, eh? It's not like Israel is the best at making decisions, and as much as I hate to say it, other powerful nations have to step in before this gets out of hand. Of course we could just let these countries keep pissing on each other until one snaps and stabs the other in the face.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22294584]Politically speaking it would be bordering on treason to cut ties with Israel for the US government. It has no benefits. Only drawbacks from a political, military, and economic standpoint.[/QUOTE] Economic?
Our country really ought to become more of a isolationist again. Pull out of Iraq, Cut off ties with Israel (if they continue like this). Please save us the money we need for our broken economy and spare us from the worldwide resentment that costs us both our money and lives.
[QUOTE=Jund;22294591]Yeah and let's watch Israel get crushed by all the surrounding neighbors it has pissed off, and let's let [i]more[/i] innocent civilians die, eh? It's not like Israel is the best at making decisions, and as much as I hate to say it, other powerful nations have to step in before this gets out of hand. Of course we could just let these countries keep pissing on each other until one snaps and stabs the other in the face.[/QUOTE] I support non-interventionism. America has it's own problems, why the hell are we putting our dick into the issues of others?
[QUOTE=GunFox;22294584]Politically speaking it would be bordering on treason to cut ties with Israel for the US government. It has no benefits. Only drawbacks from a political, military, and economic standpoint.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it would only piss off the Jews living in America. Last time I checked, there were a lot. Still, it doesn't mean we should ignore Palestinians. [editline]03:19AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22294606]I support non-interventionism. America has it's own problems, why the hell are we putting our dick into the issues of others?[/QUOTE] Yeah okay. "Dude I heard there was this crazy dude name Hitler who is killing all the Jews, should we do something about it?" "Nah it's cool."
[QUOTE=Jund;22294607]Yeah, it would only piss off the Jews living in America. Last time I checked, there were a lot. Still, it doesn't mean we should ignore Palestinians.[/QUOTE] well fuck em' they're a miniscule minority here. Why should everyone have to suffer because they want us to go on and interfere with an already volatile middle east. I wouldn't go as far to generalize that jews in the US would support this. A lot of them are liberal.
[QUOTE=Jund;22294607]Yeah, it would only piss off the Jews living in America. Last time I checked, there were a lot. Still, it doesn't mean we should ignore Palestinians. [editline]03:19AM[/editline][/QUOTE] Well if they don't like it, they can move to Israel. [QUOTE]Yeah okay. "Dude I heard there was this crazy dude name Hitler who is killing all the Jews, should we do something about it?" "Nah it's cool."[/QUOTE] We didn't do anything with Germany until it declared war first on us. Besides. We didn't do anything with Stalin and the gulags (even after WWII). Didn't do anything with Pol Pot. Not doing anything with China. Not doing anything in anything in Darfur. One time, we did try and do something. And America's dick has been hurting from Somalia ever since. What makes this issue so special?
cockfucking israel
[QUOTE=Jund;22294607]Yeah, it would only piss off the Jews living in America. Last time I checked, there were a lot. Still, it doesn't mean we should ignore Palestinians. [/QUOTE] True, but the only good outcome here is if both Israel and the Gazans come to the peace talk table. We cannot step in, aside from providing advice to Israel, without seriously fucking things up. If Israel gets fed up, then they roll over the strip and claim everything. With lots of civilians dead. If Israel goes under as a result of our actions, then the region comes under control by parties which loathe the United States. We would effectively produce an enemy. The best bet is to sit this one out.
And America continues to fund Israel with enormous amounts of money. What does America have to gain?
[QUOTE=GunFox;22295007]True, but the only good outcome here is if both Israel and the Gazans come to the peace talk table. We cannot step in, aside from providing advice to Israel, without seriously fucking things up. If Israel gets fed up, then they roll over the strip and claim everything. With lots of civilians dead. If Israel goes under as a result of our actions, then the region comes under control by parties which loathe the United States. We would effectively produce an enemy. The best bet is to sit this one out.[/QUOTE] It doesn't help for the US to sit idly by while the world condemns Israel either. We've gotten enough resentment from "protecting" Israel already.
"The best thing to do when you find yourself in a Hole is stop digging." Sitting it out and letting Israel sit in the hell that it's made the region into is probably the best thing to do.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22294584]Politically speaking it would be bordering on treason to cut ties with Israel for the US government. [B]It has no benefits. Only drawbacks from a political, military, and economic standpoint.[/B][/QUOTE] Because really, it's better to have a U.S. "ally" that's drain on America and spits in our face every other day and have the entire muslim world hating America rather then cut off Aid to Israel and maybe normalize relations with the Muslim World and have a dramatic drop in Terrorism that's directed at America. Seriously what the fuck do we get from giving 4 Billion dollars a year to Israel, they don't even fucking host U.S. troops or Airbases, nor do they really give a shit about U.S. interests, atleast if we had normalized Relations with the rest of the Middle East instead one that has done nothing but angered the entire Muslim World since its birth we would properly still have the Twin Towers Standing today.
oh look obama isn't being aggressive and his liberal buddies aren't liking it whoa is them obama being a pussy? news!
[QUOTE=Broseph_;22296893]Seriously what the fuck do we get from giving 4 Billion dollars a year to Israel, they don't even fucking host U.S. troops or Airbases, nor do they really give a shit about U.S. interests, atleast if we had normalized Relations with the rest of the Middle East instead one that has done nothing but angered the entire Muslim World since its birth we would properly still have the Twin Towers Standing today.[/QUOTE] Would be nice if we could just disown the entire Middle East. Would be like "Ok you want nothing to do with us and we want nothing to do with you, there now we have something in common."
[QUOTE=Jund;22294607]Yeah okay. "Dude I heard there was this crazy dude name Hitler who is killing all the Jews, should we do something about it?" "Nah it's cool."[/QUOTE] You... You do realise that America only declared war on Germany because they were allied to the Japanese, who attacked America? You do realise that nobody, not even the Germans, was aware of the death camps until the allies discovered them?
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