Marine dies in swimming pool at Camp Pendleton during recon test
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[quote]Pfc. Joshua Islam, 18, of Union County N.C., was participating in an initial screening at School of Infantry-West as a precursor to the Marines’ physically demanding reconnaissance training, said Col. Sean Gibson, a spokesman for Training and Education Command. He died Monday in a pool at Camp Las Pulgas, near Pendleton’s center, while undergoing a test that required him to tread water for 30 minutes. [/quote]
[url]http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20140116/NEWS/301160014/Marine-dies-swimming-pool-Camp-Pendleton-during-recon-test[/url]
i went to boot camp and school of infantry with this guy. we graduated together, we had quite a few conversations together too. hard to believe he's dead.
What happened that lifeguards couldn't rescue him?
I hope this is a freak accident.
Almost thought breakyo-
Just kidding. Seems strange he died right in the pool treading water... Was there nobody watching or did they think he was faking it or what?
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[QUOTE]All he ever wanted to do is join the marines and serve his country. ... Trained for his whole life and now he’s gone.[/QUOTE]
That's really sad
was it the kind of treading water where you are in full clothing? Because it's relatively easy to tread water otherwise and I find it hard to believe he'd have just up and died if he had been training. Maybe somebody pulled on his leg and he gulped water. Regardless of the cause, it's so sad that he didn't even get a chance to serve and as a lifeguard myself it makes me sad that there wasn't some sort of safety measure in place.
[QUOTE=Cockslap;43589643]was it the kind of treading water where you are in full clothing? Because it's relatively easy to tread water otherwise and I find it hard to believe he'd have just up and died if he had been training. Maybe somebody pulled on his leg and he gulped water. [/QUOTE]
Have you tread water in full clothes for [I]30 minutes[/I] before. My best guess is that he became so exhausted doing it that he became unable to hold his head above the water nor swim back to the surface after going under.
This is the Marines we're talking here. They were probably in full gear
That's the thing folks, the training we do is dangerous shit. When I was in Pensacola we had 2 training accidents that lead to the death of an ensign and severe brain damage to a marine. People get terrible injuries all the time, and being the platoon sergeant of the medical platoon I got to see the worst of it. Sure they could make it safer, but we train harder than we need to fight. In combat there will never be a safety net or life buoy to save you.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;43589866]That's the thing folks, the training we do is dangerous shit. When I was in Pensacola we had 2 training accidents that lead to the death of an ensign and severe brain damage to a marine. People get terrible injuries all the time, and being the platoon sergeant of the medical platoon I got to see the worst of it. Sure they could make it safer, but we train harder than we need to fight. In combat there will never be a safety net or life buoy to save you.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know you worked at wounded warrior battalion.
My original duty station is Camp Pendleton, San Mateo area though (deployed to Japan right now). It's sad to hear something like this happening. Treading water can be a bitch even on the basic swim qual level (4 minutes can be surprisingly exhausting in cammies and boots) but it's nothing compared to what Recon does.
I hope they give more details because as tough as it is, they're not trying to kill you. It's easier to get you out of the water and to tell you to go home because you couldn't do it than to let you drown.
Also I saw an episode of Surviving the Cut and it was Recon. The pool has/had instructors in there with them for most of the challenges to prevent something like this from happening. Strange to hear something like this happen but accidents do happen after all.
My dad went to camp pendleton for initial training in the navy like 20 years ago. I obviously became a weed smoking surfer but man that is still close to home considering I lived near there for many years.
Damn that sucks. I saw a documentary about that recon school on Netflix I'm pretty sure. It's absolutely sick what they have to go trough. The exercises in water was shown.
Edit: Surviving The Cut Season 1 Episode 3.
[QUOTE=avincent;43589586]Almost thought breakyo-
Just kidding. Seems strange he died right in the pool treading water... Was there nobody watching or did they think he was faking it or what?[/QUOTE]
Dude, stop it. The breakyourfac principle got really old a long time ago.
On topic, it's pretty unfortunate that the poor fellow drowned, I've seen what they get up to over there on Surviving The Cut and I'd have to say it's really demanding and quite brutal.
A lot of details are missing. For all we know, he could have straight up passed out from exhaustion and breathed water - maybe it happened too fast for help.
Who ever was supposed to be watching him probably was busy texting someone OR this guy had a pre-existing medical condition. Guys collapse on the football field or basketball court all the time, any kind of high stress situation could trigger a heart failure. These are my guesses,
Considering this is Marines we're talking about, its really not surprising. I recall watching a documentary on Discovery where they had to stay for a while in the pool, then pass eachother rifles, and then pass each other 2,5; 5; and 10 kg weights. It all took around half an hour.
[QUOTE=deathstarboot;43592350]My dad went to camp pendleton for initial training in the navy like 20 years ago. I obviously became a weed smoking surfer but man that is still close to home considering I lived near there for many years.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you sound absolutely heartbroken
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;43593521]Who ever was supposed to be watching him probably was busy texting someone OR this guy had a pre-existing medical condition. Guys collapse on the football field or basketball court all the time, any kind of high stress situation could trigger a heart failure. These are my guesses,[/QUOTE]
Considering we're talking about the Marines, it was almost definitely the latter. They'd be in an incomprehensible amount of trouble if they got someone killed doing that, and they know it.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;43592258]I didn't know you worked at wounded warrior battalion.[/QUOTE]
I didn't do ww. The platoon I had was for the guys who got hurt bad enough but not enough to go to ww and for guys coming back from ww. We also had a lot of guys who were waiting to med sep for anything ranging from destroyed ear drums to completely shattered legs.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;43593278]Dude, stop it. The breakyourfac principle got really old a long time ago.
On topic, it's pretty unfortunate that the poor fellow drowned, I've seen what they get up to over there on Surviving The Cut and I'd have to say it's really demanding and quite brutal.[/QUOTE]
I'm still butthurt he got perma'd though. I never got to use this to embarrass him
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[QUOTE=Dr.C;43594245]I'm still butthurt he got perma'd though. I never got to use this to embarrass him
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man that guy was p fuckin nuts
[QUOTE=Dr.C;43594245]I'm still butthurt he got perma'd though. I never got to use this to embarrass him
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Why/when did he get perma'd?
[QUOTE=Topzombie;43594725]Why/when did he get perma'd?[/QUOTE]
ban evading, after his last ban for shitposting as usual.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;43593521]Who ever was supposed to be watching him probably was busy texting someone OR this guy had a pre-existing medical condition. Guys collapse on the football field or basketball court all the time, any kind of high stress situation could trigger a heart failure. These are my guesses,[/QUOTE]
From what ive seen, they don't pull you out until after you've gone under. The last breath of air you take in, while you're panicking before you go under is usually what screws you up, since you take in a lot of water with you.
You could pull someone out of a pool fast as possible, but if they sucked in a ton of water, it'll be hard to clear that out.
Most people cough it up with assistance. But weird things happen.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;43593521]Who ever was supposed to be watching him probably was busy texting someone OR this guy had a pre-existing medical condition. Guys collapse on the football field or basketball court all the time, any kind of high stress situation could trigger a heart failure. These are my guesses,[/QUOTE]
Drowning can occur while out of the water, just as long as you've sucked in enough water into your lungs.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;43596270]Drowning can occur while out of the water, just as long as you've sucked in enough water into your lungs.[/QUOTE]
Vomiting doesn't help either.
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