• Poland Removes EU flag from Press conference
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Trying to find non biased sources on this was hard. forgive me [quote]Poland's new conservative euro-sceptic government has removed the European Union flag from its weekly press conference for Prime Minister Beata Szydlo, in a symbolic gesture that underscores the new regime's cooler relations with Brussels, and its more patriotic outlook.[/quote] [url]http://www.ft.com/fastft/430461/poland-removes-eu-flag-amid-shift-nationalism[/url]
The shit going on here lately is fucking crazy, ever since PIS took the reigns. They're trying to get the country under their total control. Kaczyński basically is a wannabe Putin.
Well they did get absolute majority in the last election. I didn't even vote for them but that's how democracy works.
It's hard to blame anybody for removing the EU flag at the moment considering how badly we've fucked up with almost every decision. Good luck in your country, Poland. <3
Hopefully Poland does distance itself from the EU and perhaps even leaves it. They deserve autonomy after all this time.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49237780]Hopefully Poland does distance itself from the EU and perhaps even leaves it. They deserve autonomy after all this time.[/QUOTE] Under a bunch of paranoid Catholic conspiracy-theorist nationalists? If they really want this, then they can go ahead, but I wouldn't advise it...
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49237780]Hopefully Poland does distance itself from the EU and perhaps even leaves it. They deserve autonomy after all this time.[/QUOTE] Are you for real, what do you see the European Union as? A big scary totalitarian hegemony or something. Poland has always had autonomy as an EU member. These guys are leading Poland down a dark path.
[QUOTE=Mabus;49237864]Are you for real, what do you see the European Union as? A big scary totalitarian hegemony or something. Poland has always had autonomy as an EU member. These guys are leading Poland down a dark path.[/QUOTE] Hell, they're (very sensibly) not even in the Euro, which is the point that the loss of autonomy actually becomes very real in my opinion.
I just want to stress out that our new minister of environment believes in chemtrails [sp]and is also a climate change denier[/sp]
I think the general idea is that we're not citizens of European Union first but Polish people first. And that we want to remain Poland instead of being a state in EU.
And up the border control goes. GL Poland, wishing you the best!
As a Pole can't say I am disgusted. Eu had a lot of sense as a coallition against USSR, right now such institution is a tool for mad people (a small group of people) to introduce their strange ideas to real life and consequently regulate everything and everyone.
I think that out of all the things that are currently happening in poland the flag thing is the least interesting and important
Also our minister of defense got his shit hacked within like a month of his term. Some serious fucking competence right there.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49238083]...EU was kinda formed between 1993-2009 though. Perhaps include Schengen treaty, 1985. 1979 is European Parliament. Still, you are thinking of NATO. What bad is EU to you anyway?[/QUOTE] The EU was founded in 1993, but its predecessors began very early into the cold war.
EU is fucked, because there paying Turkey loads emone to keep back the refugees while Turkey is blackmailing EU
Good, the less power the EU has, the better. Poland has absolutely no obligation beyond to it's people, to allow a institute that constantly works against peoples right to continue in your country is the absolute opposite of a governments obligation towards it's people.
[QUOTE=The fox;49238188]Good, the less power the EU has, the better. Poland has absolutely no obligation beyond to it's people, to allow a institute that constantly works against peoples right to continue in your country is the absolute opposite of a governments obligation towards it's people.[/QUOTE] I know you will laugh at me, but at this point I genuinely trust the EU more then any polish government in the past 10 years, especially the current one
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49238204]Can you give me examples of how EU works against people's interests? I haven't got a clue and am just curious[/QUOTE] Two words: Refugee Crisis
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49238083]...EU was kinda formed between 1993-2009 though. Perhaps include Schengen treaty, 1985. 1979 is European Parliament. Still, you are thinking of NATO[/QUOTE] By "EU" i also mean everything what this organization had been before 1993. A political agreement towards USSR. Well, answering Your second question: To me personally it haven't done anything. But I think it's a political machine which takes away the souverenity of countries. How independent is a country which has to obey rules given from other country? It makes countries change their constitution and law only for UE. An independent country which HAS TO, and not MAY do something because it will be punished with some economical sanction? Act of terror.
How is being pro-EU unpatriotic? This is something I've never understood about euro sceptics. Large GDP, immeasurable historic achievements, enormous potential for growth, and you really don't want to be a part of that? Seriously?
TBH for all its fuckups the EU is probably what made Poland not a shithole over the past decade. Not to mention PIS is full of madmen who are first to hide the EU flags, but surely first to reach our their hands for that union money.
[QUOTE=amorax;49238315]How is being pro-EU unpatriotic? This is something I've never understood about euro sceptics. Large GDP, immeasurable historic achievements, enormous potential for growth, and you really don't want to be a part of that? Seriously?[/QUOTE] According to nationalists, not being nationalistic is not being patriotic. I don't see how I can't appreciate my country without thinking it's the best thing since sliced bread.
[QUOTE=proch;49238316]TBH for all its fuckups the EU is probably what made Poland not a shithole over the past decade. Not to mention PIS is full of madmen who are first to hide the EU flags, but surely first to reach our their hands for that union money.[/QUOTE] Yeah, for all their anti-EU sentiments right-wing catholic nutjobs have a great desire to run as candidates for potential MEPs. After all, it only does give you [I]a monthly wage several times higher than that of the president's.[/I]
They're also trying to ruin everything the previous party in power has done purely out of spite. It's a fucking disaster.
[QUOTE=proch;49238361]They're also trying to ruin everything the previous party in power has done purely out of spite. It's a fucking disaster.[/QUOTE] It was fucking disaster decade ago. Now they are trying to find out how much can they fuck up before people actually [I]revolt[/I]
Oh boy cant wait to read some polandball comics about this
[QUOTE=Makzu;49238449]Oh boy cant wait to read some polandball comics about this[/QUOTE] Something about Polandball having cancer
[QUOTE=amorax;49238315]How is being pro-EU unpatriotic? This is something I've never understood about euro sceptics. Large GDP, immeasurable historic achievements, enormous potential for growth, and you really don't want to be a part of that? Seriously?[/QUOTE] EU is no longer just an economical union. There are notions about being a citizen of Europe before being a citizen of the actual country you're in and "forget about polish culture, we are all europeans now" etc. Old traditions are dying off and are replaced with new ones that came from the west. As an atheist I don't give a fuck about for instance halloween being absolutely haram to a christian but I can acknowledge that things are changing. If EU was only a big trade agreement (like it was at the beginning) there wouldn't be an issue about it being patriotic or not. [QUOTE=proch;49238361]They're also trying to ruin everything the previous party in power has done purely out of spite. It's a fucking disaster.[/QUOTE] Uhhh you want to list the achievements of the last ruling party? Because other than taking a big pile of money from EU I don't remember anything they've done right. I can give you a list of major fuck ups tho.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;49238713]EU is no longer just an economical union. There are notions about being a citizen of Europe before being a citizen of the actual country you're in and "forget about polish culture, we are all europeans now" etc. Old traditions are dying off and are replaced with new ones that came from the west.[/QUOTE] Old traditions are going to die off because they're old traditions, that's just what happens. Disconnecting Poland from the European Union will not stop that and will instead sour relations between Poland and the rest of Europe.
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